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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/7/2006 12:26:19 PM   
slavekal


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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/7/2006 3:26:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

sugarcoated - I just love that!

Wonder who I can get to volunteer for a trial run.....?

E


You weren't thinking that would be tough, did you?

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/7/2006 3:34:10 PM   
LadyEllen


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Status: offline 		Benji - are you volunteering to show us how easy to escape it would be?

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/7/2006 3:35:36 PM   
gooddogbenji


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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/7/2006 3:38:27 PM   
LadyEllen


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Status: offline 		Yeah? But only 'cause youre a few thousand miles away LOL!

Anyway, it wouldnt that easy to formulate an escape plan with your nipples being tweaked......

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/7/2006 3:48:13 PM   
MasterWilliam55


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Status: offline 		Is this a whole new trend, a new kink? Subs trying to escape from their bondage? Are we going to see bondage escape groups poping up? Will fetish events be transformed into bondage escape events? With their new found skills, will they want to tie their Dom.Dommes up and see if They can escape? Do I have to now buy a welding kit?  I don't know folks, but this all sounds pretty subversive to me.

Damnit, get your subs under control NOW, before it's too late.

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/7/2006 3:51:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know what everyone's said about not trying to escape and it being disrespectful and all, but I like to struggle.  I love knowing that I can't escape and I can't know that unless I try.

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/7/2006 3:58:03 PM   
silverthorn7


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Status: offline 		If your sub is escaping bondage, this issue is NOT how you tie the knots. The issue is that he is disobediant and not submitting. Before you try all sorts of fun (for him) "punishments" or do a lot of elaborate taping and wrapping - remember who is doing all the work - you - and who is supposed to be submitting - him! If this boy was truly submitting, you could tie him with a thread and command him not to break it. Personally, I don't believe in "punishing" a sub with any kind of play or attention. For me, if a sub/slave does not do my bidding and please me, he is ignored or banished. End of story.

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/7/2006 3:58:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterWilliam55

Is this a whole new trend, a new kink? Subs trying to escape from their bondage?


Lol...nope.  Escaping has been part of the kink of bondage since it was invented, as near as I can tell.  Eels and "houdinis" have been mentioned in just about every book on bondage I have ever read...

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/7/2006 4:50:08 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Have I mentioned, by the way, that it's very hard for people to escape when they're trussed up with electrical tape?

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/7/2006 5:15:03 PM   
MsEmily


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Status: offline 		Well, it's always a good thing for testing your bondage skills..


I usually start with a body harness then pull the rest of the body into it. try picking up that bondage book that Midori put out, it's great help with diagrams.

or..

I've found that shrinkwrap and then ducttape is pretty good. it's important to immobalize the entire body areas, if he cant move at all, then he cant get out, reguardless of how doublejointed he may be!

~Ms Emily

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/7/2006 9:30:15 PM   
CandleInTheWind


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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

Actually, I did try mummification with plastic wrap, then tape. He didn't escape, but he got all dizzy and felt lightheaded for hours after. Guess I could try wrapping his body and not his head. The problem is, he likes the idea of different kinds of tie ups. Are all male subs this good at escaping? grrrr lol


Ms.DefiantBad Girl..

My Big Daddy and i used to play cant catch me....

He was very much into bondage and each time if i didnt get out in a certain time i would get punished...I got very good at the escape process.... The one thing that i couldnt get out of was this:    he put each of my hands into  infant mittens folded up so that my hand was already folded up...then he took thaose into a plast bag  then duct tapes the bag around my wrists.. then he put my wrists into strong cuffs and locked them...he then attached them to chains which were hanging frm the cieling about 6 feet apar basically my arms were nearly spread eagle so to speak....  he then put ankly cuffs on and around my foot/ankle put on my shoes (high healed stiletos)  he then taped my shoes onto my feet and attached the cuffs to the chains that were affixes to both a belt that was around my wasite and to chains that were screwed intot he floor (if there is a carpet onthe floor  odds are you can screw them intot he flooring without noticing any holes...againthe chains left the affect of being spread
that was the only timethat i was unable to escape his well planned trip!  having the feet connected to the waiste band was extremely interesting it prevented me from just sitting down and trying to use my flexibility from gettingout of the bondage

but there ya go my fun inthe past ....

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/8/2006 6:55:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bandit25

I know what everyone's said about not trying to escape and it being disrespectful and all, but I like to struggle.  I love knowing that I can't escape and I can't know that unless I try.

That's ok if it's negotiated and part of your kink....and she's ok with it as well.  I love to laugh my arse off at fellows whom I know have that desire to be shown how helpless I make them.  It's another thing when he's being deliberately disrespectful to the point of sassing and challenging and doing all that passive-aggressive taunting crap.

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/8/2006 4:33:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I read this and remembered a sub, houdini was actually the name he liked for himself, and he had seen a few Dominas I knew and was known for getting out of all bondage.
I agreed to see him, and he played the 'i can get out' routine, till I had him, and noticed the energy change, I was mad at how long I was wasting on the process and he seemed to shift in response.

After, I thought hard, and realized...perhaps he was being naughty to be punished, maybe the bondage was A process, not THE process.. it always seemed to be the focus of the end of a scene, and I was not happy that he was doing the end control thing.
Im experienced with sams...so he added up to me.
I saw it when I made the bondage painful to move within as a way to prevent him succeeding.

Next time..I laughed at the bondage, and said, I dont want to.. whats the point maso?? and went straight to punishment.
Well... needless to say, reaction showed he needed that, but was not happy to have lost the game. I dismissed him as I dont enjoy games like that, and he didnt open his mind to moving on with play. I am happy to show a maso that they dont need to make anything happen, it will come when they are well behaved and not exhausting my patience or time.

This angle might be a new one to think on..defiantbadgirl :)  perhaps something about this fits ? it might not be all about the bondage, one thing they do is keep you thinking 360 degrees !!  Sometimes they dont see what they are doing either till its shown to them..All the best and hope this helps.



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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/8/2006 8:55:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know, bad sub and all, but I bottomed up (the one old schoolism I've got really) and there IS something really distracting about bad bondage when you're in it.  It's one thing to not have skills and to allow your bottom to help you get them, it's another when you're in a situation where you supposedly mean it, but your ropes just say "I don't care."

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/9/2006 9:29:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		But then, there's also a difference between trying everything to get loose and accidentally falling out of suspension because the slipknot, well, slipped.

Yours,


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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/9/2006 9:05:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Grlwithboy

I know, bad sub and all, but I bottomed up (the one old schoolism I've got really) and there IS something really distracting about bad bondage when you're in it.  It's one thing to not have skills and to allow your bottom to help you get them, it's another when you're in a situation where you supposedly mean it, but your ropes just say "I don't care."


Yes, but if the PYL has tied pyl's up befpre and the pyl's haven't gotten out of it, and the PYL has been learning and trying different things, and the asshole is still getting out, then he's an asshole ... and I'm far from the only one who has interpreted that the "submissive" is an asshole from the OP.

Clarification for those who don't know me ... PYL = Top, Dominant, Master/Mistress, pyl = bottom, submissive, slave, servant.  Litteral translation - pick your label.

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/9/2006 9:52:01 PM   
ToServeIsToLive


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Status: offline 		Put him in one of those chinese water torture devices houdini used to use, but without the water.  Then tell him you'll put him in with the water if he keeps escaping from your bondage attempts.

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/9/2006 11:12:21 PM   
MisPandora


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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

But then, there's also a difference between trying everything to get loose and accidentally falling out of suspension because the slipknot, well, slipped.

Yours,
benji

What's most disturbing about this whole thread that in ELEVEN pages, I'm the only one that called the OP out on the safety issue of leaving a gagged, bound slave alone in a room (and walking outside the house.)  I guess I need to remind some folks about the Michael Lord case in Quincy, MA?  While she was ultimately acquitted of the charges of murder and manslaughter because there was insifficient evidence and no body to be found, there's something to be said about the irresponsible behavior of a woman who ties someone up and leaves them alone in a risky situation.  Even Barbara Asher herself has admitted that was stupid (as was failing to call 911, do CPR, etc on the dead guy.)

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/10/2006 1:19:43 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MisPandora

What's most disturbing about this whole thread that in ELEVEN pages, I'm the only one that called the OP out on the safety issue of leaving a gagged, bound slave alone in a room (and walking outside the house.)

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