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help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/2/2006 10:41:53 AM

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My sub is always teasing me because I can't keep him tied up. I thought I finally had the perfect plan. During our last session, I tied him spread eagle on my bed face down. I taped his fingers together, put socks over his hands, tied his hands with rope, then put duct tape over the rope. His feet were tied with rope and tape. He was gagged with my thong and 3 pieces of tape. He was also blindfolded with duct tape. I stepped outside for 5 minutes to smoke a cigarette and when I came in, he was sitting on my couch. How can a domme keep a male sub from escaping?

RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/2/2006 11:03:28 AM

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chains and padlocks should do the job; but theyre only as strong as what theyre attached to.

I'm a bit worried that you gagged him like that and left him, to be honest; but then in his case I guess its not a problem!

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/2/2006 11:26:00 AM

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I always ask him if he can breathe when I gag him and I'd never leave the room for more than a few minutes even then. I thought of chains once. When I mentioned it, he said "Wouldn't those just fall off me?" I must be really lousy at tying and taping guys up cause I never seem to see any others with this problem. Does anyone know a fullproof way to tie a guy up where there is NO CHANCE of escape? I can't afford to buy a straight jacket.

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/2/2006 11:32:35 AM

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Have you tried mummification? Saran-wrap is fairly inexpensive.

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/2/2006 11:49:10 AM

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Actually, I did try mummification with plastic wrap, then tape. He didn't escape, but he got all dizzy and felt lightheaded for hours after. Guess I could try wrapping his body and not his head. The problem is, he likes the idea of different kinds of tie ups. Are all male subs this good at escaping? grrrr lol

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/2/2006 11:57:44 AM

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what ever happen to just stayign in postion and nto trying to get out, in my mind its for the master/mistresses to decide when it time to take off restraints, or be untied.

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/2/2006 12:04:58 PM

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Mine haven't been... but my subs know that if I tie them up, it's because I want them tied up. Purposely escaping (not to be confused with showing me that a knot came loose or writhing a lot) would annoy me, which would either end with the sub being punished, or dismissed (depending on the reasons and how new the relationship was). I can be playful (at least I think I can

), but I have zero tolerance for bratty behaviour (which is what purposeful escape means to me).

Anyway, back to your original question. Have you tried mummifying his hands & feet only, then covering them with liquid latex? (Make sure the latex covers the whole area plus some skin)

Also, the type of rope you are using may not be the best... some softer rope (ie nylon) can come undone rather easily due to it's slipperyness (?sp). If you're careful, waxed dental floss works pretty well. Dental floss in quite strong, and the wax serves to bond the pieces together, and makes tight knots pretty much impossible to undo... expecially if you then drip wax over them!

Just make sure you have a pair of safety scissors handy to cut the dental floss off, and make sure you aren't cutting off the blood supply. It's very easy to do.

End of blurb.

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/2/2006 12:25:02 PM

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I was always and still am very good at untying knots. That doesn't mean I untie them when my Lord and I are having a bondage session though. I know that I can untie them and He knows that I can untie them at any point, but I don't because I respect Him and would never do that to Him. He takes care of me so why should I show Him such disrespect as to "flaunt" my knot untying abilities, esp. when I don't want to be untied. If the point were just to show off, I can do that other times in other ways, or if He wanted me to untie myself then I could. I agree with the Lady Diamond, untying oneself just to show off is just bratty and unacceptable. At least in my opinion.

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/2/2006 12:26:28 PM

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So I should kick his ass instead of improving my tying skills? Apparently he's done the same thing to other mistresses.

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/2/2006 12:56:01 PM

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Umm if he isnt just a brat telling him to NOT untie himself should work!!
Im haveing troulbe understanding WHY he is untieing himself if you dont want him to.
some how I dont think the issue here is his ability to escape.

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/2/2006 1:02:57 PM

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I'm with the others, if he's untieing himself just to prove that he can, then you need to punish him ... he sounds like a sexual bottom playing at being sub instead of a sub (for the record, I have no problems with bottoms, but if you are one, then call yourself that instead of pretending to be something you aren't). He's being obnoxious and I'd quit playing with him.

Our boy could probably untie himself from most of our knots if he wanted to ... but he's smart enough to know that playtime will be over (for a LONG time) if he ever does. So he's a good boy and stays put when he's told.

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/2/2006 1:15:19 PM

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How can a domme keep a male sub from escaping?

I find "Touch that and you're dog meat" or "Touch that and it will be the LAST time I tie you down"

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/2/2006 1:20:55 PM

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Greetings All...
I am new to this site but not new to dealing with badly behaved subs. I owned a sailor subbie for 5 years whos job was tying rope. At any time could he untie himself :) but that was never the point of binding him. It was to prove to him that I cared enough about him to bind him and keep him for Myself. My point, and yes I reserve the right not to make one, is that perhaps him unbinding himself is just his way of letting you know you can't have him or keep him? just a thought since he is playing with other Dominants. My advise..kick his ass or kick him to the curb.. or both. Perhaps standing in the corner, naked, for a half hour with no restraints is a good test. If he can stay put with mental/verbal bondage.. then perhaps he is worth binding with rope. The problem may not be with his ability to untie rope or your lack of ability to bind him so he stays put, perhaps the issue is control.. and who has it! :) Thanks for reading My 2 cents... and that is all it is worth if I am off target here.. Best Regards and Greetings to all.. Mistress Pandora

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/2/2006 1:21:51 PM

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Not Mine, I tell him to stay put and don't move and he doesn't. he can be bratty sometimes but he knows once I've reached a certain point that I am all business and the brattiness must come to an end or he will be sent to bed without his spanking.

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/2/2006 1:27:53 PM

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um, maybe I'm alone in this, but for me, I don't get near the effect, when the bondage is "safe" or played. If I can get out, it's not real in my head, and much harder to fully submit and find my zone.

Maybe he feels similar and isn't trying to be an ass by showing off, but to find the release in true loss of movement. I DO NOT feel like less of a submissive just because I can't get into fake bondage as well as real. For some, it's having the ability taken away that is the trigger they're searching for, the release needed to become perfection in themselves.

I have no idea if this makes sense to anyone other than me, and if not I do apologize.

------> edited to fix spelling, sorry.

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/2/2006 2:32:45 PM

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um, maybe I'm alone in this, but for me, I don't get near the effect, when the bondage is "safe" or played. If I can get out, it's not real in my head, and much harder to fully submit and find my zone.

Maybe he feels similar and isn't trying to be an ass by showing off, but to find the release in true loss of movement. I DO NOT feel like less of a submissive just because I can't get into fake bondage as well as real. For some, it's having the ability taken away that is the trigger they're searching for, the release needed to become perfection in themselves.

I have no idea if this makes sense to anyone other than me, and if not I do apologize.

------> edited to fix spelling, sorry.

It makes perfect sense. In fact, it sounds like something he would say. He does taunt me about being able to escape, but he's always telling me he wants to fail. I think trying his hardest to escape, but being unable to is the ultimate high for him. He's more into bondage and losing the ability to speak than anything else. *Sighs* things were so much simpler before he turned into Houdini.

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/2/2006 2:44:32 PM

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My sub is always teasing me because I can't keep him tied up. I thought I finally had the perfect plan. During our last session, I tied him spread eagle on my bed face down. I taped his fingers together, put socks over his hands, tied his hands with rope, then put duct tape over the rope. His feet were tied with rope and tape. He was gagged with my thong and 3 pieces of tape. He was also blindfolded with duct tape. I stepped outside for 5 minutes to smoke a cigarette and when I came in, he was sitting on my couch. How can a domme keep a male sub from escaping?

1) Did you tell him to try to excape? If not, he should stay where you put him unless there was an emergency.

2) Make sure he's bot flexing when you're tying him. He can then relax later and work with the slack. Of course, this isn't gonna work if he really is a contortionist.

3) Have him make a fist and saran wrap, the duct tape the fist. This should help him not be anble to pull his hands through the loops at his wrists.

4) Use two point to tie each limb, with opposite pulls. For example, tie a wrist to the head AND foot boards. When he pulls one way to get slack, the other will tighten.

But, all in all, just ask him why he keeps escaping and let him know how displeased you are about it. If that doesn't make a difference to him, he's most likely not going to obey in many other things either. Do you want that?

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/2/2006 2:45:54 PM

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Okay, regardless of whether you're into power, if you don't like your partner playing Houdini, you get to determine the parameters of your play. If you don't like it, tell him that you won't play with him if he keeps escaping.

That said, I get the feeling that you want to ensure that he is securely bound. Bondage is fun anyway, but when a tie is secure, it creates a very real power imbalance that can be sexy. I imagine the problem you're having stems from the medium you've chosen. It is very difficult to do rope bondage that is actually inescapable. However, with leather restraints and padlocks, it's simple to securely restrain a person. You can simply lock wrist and ankle restraints on and then lock them to one another. If you like, you may augment your security by using "bondage mittens" which cover the hand and lock around the wrist. Stockroom.com sells them, and I would link to a photo but the site appears to be undergoing maintenance. They aren't cheap, but they are reusable and still less costly than a straitjacket.

Monica

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/2/2006 3:04:34 PM

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I need to know that I can't get out of the bonds, no matter how much I try. And I always test my bonds although I don't neccisarily go into great lengths in untying my self. If I feel that I can get easily out of the bondage, I let my Mistress know as soon as she is finished tying me up. She often also asks me when she is finished if I can undo the bondage.
When we started to meet we sometimes played bondage games where she tied me up and I showed her how I undid the bondage or how I could undo the bondage. The purpose of our games was not for me to get free, but to make me truly helpless. When that was acheived the S&M fun could began.

Watch him how he tries to get free and modify the bondage on the go while he's at it.

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RE: help......my sub thinks he's Houdini - 12/2/2006 3:25:52 PM

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http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=648611

I would think the answers are similar, especially since the question is almost identical.

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