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RE: "Forcing" someone - 12/25/2006 8:56:34 AM

agirl

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ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam

thetammyjo posted a great discussion about life's paths. In a later response, she said, "I did want to say that for me I do not feel I could force someone to stay with me because of my personal moral code." It got me to thinking and I didn't want to hijack her thread.

What's everyone's opinion about our ability as Masters and Dominants to force someone to do something? Can we really, truly, force anyone to do anything?

How about the flip side: if you truly didn't want to do something, could you be forced to do it? Edited to add: Do you feel that you have a choice about what you do?

My thoughts: In the end, we cannot force anyone to do anything, nor can we be forced if we truly, truly don't want to do it. There are consequences for choosing not to, but, we can choose those. Case in point: you can hold a gun to my head and tell me I have to do something in order to live. I have the choice to do it or be shot. Same thing if you help the gun on someone else and told me that they'd be shot if I didn't comply. It would all depend on what I was willing to "sell" (doing whatever) in order to get what I wanted (life) that would define my willingness to be "forced". But, in the end, it's MY choice to do, or not...not your choice...you've merely uped the ante and have, or haven't, convinced me that it's worth it.

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I, rationally and philosophically, know that I have *choice* about most things (maybe all things).

When we say we *had no choice* aren't we really describing the FEELING that the choice we made was better than the alternative?

In life in general, I can FEEL forced to do things because I'm human and am susceptible to *pressure*......when it's presented in certain ways....But feeling it and it actually being the case are different.
If I have enought time to evaluate a situation, I rarely feel *forced*, in the pure sense of the word.

In my relationship.......I'm coerced at times because I am most certainly unwilling to do some things, they might be good for me, they might enhance my life in the long term, but I still don't want to DO them at the time.

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RE: "Forcing" someone - 12/25/2006 9:14:50 AM

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it is my experience and my opinion, we have the right to choose no matter what your title / role is ...especially from a submissive/slave pov if it is within reason. personally there are certain things i absolutely will not do and my Daddy respects that. likewise i know there are certain things he will not do unless i like them myself.

i would not want to be forced into doing something i deem not my style because if you force me, i shall continue to resist. naughty for submissive to do but if you want my respect, you have to respect the trust and care the submissiveness of myself that i gave to you as my Master/Daddy.

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RE: "Forcing" someone - 12/25/2006 10:26:31 AM

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It's quite possible to wield that kind of 'force', though you'll generally find it in those who define themselves as slaves, rather than submissives. Submissives, by and large, set limits on their use, lines not to be crossed and these are often mental more so than physical. Slaves on the other hand, in the hands of a competent owner who knows them inside out, are stripped of their shields for better or worse, depending on how wisely they've chosen their other.

I'm not just guesssing here as I've seen it myself. Discuss this topic with a large enough sample of those who engage in this lifestyle and you'll find both good and bad examples of this kind of 'force'.

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RE: "Forcing" someone - 12/25/2006 10:35:04 AM

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People can always say no, but as M.F.Maam said there are consequences.

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