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Being hanged - 12/9/2006 2:02:23 PM   
damia


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Status: offline 		i wonder if there is anyway to hang a slave without cutting off air supply or otherwise causing danger to the health of the slave? Master likes the idea of my being hanged, but i have a hard limit against fully cutting off air supply (it's too risky in my opinion), and Master has said He won't do that. But is there a way to hang someone without the air supply getting cut off? A collar that protects the throat, perhaps? i would welcome any ideas, as i really want to please Master, and have not been able to be hanged to satisfy Him yet.

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RE: Being hanged - 12/9/2006 2:12:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm thinking a durable steel collar with hooks could be used, since it will not constrict around the neck.  However, I would wonder just how much weight the neck can bear.  Sounds dangerous in more ways than just airflow. You may want to consult with a good chiropractor.

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RE: Being hanged - 12/9/2006 2:20:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: damia

i wonder if there is anyway to hang a slave without cutting off air supply or otherwise causing danger to the health of the slave? Master likes the idea of my being hanged, but i have a hard limit against fully cutting off air supply (it's too risky in my opinion), and Master has said He won't do that. But is there a way to hang someone without the air supply getting cut off? A collar that protects the throat, perhaps? i would welcome any ideas, as i really want to please Master, and have not been able to be hanged to satisfy Him yet.

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Stunt men use a harness that transfers the pressure to collars around the upper legs to a point above the noose knot but it is a very specialized rig and IMO takes hands-on training.  

Anything that puts pressure on the jaw or atlas or which tends to separate the cervical vertebra is strongly contraindicated.

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RE: Being hanged - 12/9/2006 2:21:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: damia

i wonder if there is anyway to hang a slave without cutting off air supply or otherwise causing danger to the health of the slave? Master likes the idea of my being hanged, but i have a hard limit against fully cutting off air supply (it's too risky in my opinion), and Master has said He won't do that. But is there a way to hang someone without the air supply getting cut off? A collar that protects the throat, perhaps? i would welcome any ideas, as i really want to please Master, and have not been able to be hanged to satisfy Him yet.

damia the Kat



Stunt men use a harness that transfers the pressure to collars around the upper legs but it is a very specialized rig and IMO takes hands-on training.  

Anything that puts pressure on the jaw or atlas or which tends to separate the cervical vertebra is strongly contraindicated.


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RE: Being hanged - 12/9/2006 2:27:21 PM   
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I'm thinking a durable steel collar with hooks could be used, since it will not constrict around the neck.  However, I would wonder just how much weight the neck can bear.  Sounds dangerous in more ways than just airflow. You may want to consult with a good chiropractor.


This would not work, the collar would come up to the jaw line and cut off circulation at the carotide artery ( I can't spell )

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RE: Being hanged - 12/9/2006 2:32:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		The inherent dangers of hanging are not a responsibility I'd not care to take on no
matter how much hanging pictures have appealed to my much darker side.

One way to do it photographically is to take a picture of the background only.
Next a picture of the subject danging from a spreader bar.
Last "hang" her while standing on a step stool.

Then put all three photos together in photoshop and "fake" it.

Hit me up off the list for more details. I have a sample.


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RE: Being hanged - 12/9/2006 2:36:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wouldn't be only worried about my airflow but my neck snapping as well. The whole point of hanging someone was to snap their neck and kill them, and unless you have the harnesses used by professionals that JohnWarren spoke of, I doubt you could successfully do it without some harm to yourself. I'd seriously consider every possibility that might happen if you did this before atempting it. Maybe even talk to a professional stuntman about this and see if they could help set it up, because if you tried it yourself you might be in some big trouble. Just my opinion though.

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RE: Being hanged - 12/9/2006 2:38:13 PM   
whisperedsighs


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Status: offline 		Just a curiosity, what is wrong with rope suspension properly done that has nothing to do with anything around the neck?  Is it the hanging from the neck thing that your Master wants?

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RE: Being hanged - 12/9/2006 2:41:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		My rule of thumb (no pun intended) is that if you're going to start fucking with the air supply through the throat, it has to be with your hand or an instrument that you directly control--NOT with a tether, noose, or something you don't directly control.  If something starts to go wrong and your hand is on her neck, at least you can remove your hand.  If something starts to go wrong and she's wearing a noose, then fuck if I know what you're supposed to do about it.

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RE: Being hanged - 12/9/2006 2:57:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		You need to define exactly what you mean by "hanged".  If you mean held in the air entirely by your neck, then no, there is no way to do it safely.  If you mean breath play while otherwise suspended in the air, then there are ways.   This is not a type of play for a beginner.  No, its not brain surgery, but its a long way from beer and skittles. 

Suspension bondage is one of the most dangerous kinds of play that there is, in terms of producing injuries that require medical intervention.  Throw in noose play, and you probably have two of the top three or four together.  If your Master doesn't already know how to do this, then he needs to study at length with some experts at suspension bondage before attempting something like this.  He certainly won't learn how by having his sub ask questions on an Internet forum.

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RE: Being hanged - 12/9/2006 3:17:22 PM   
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You need to define exactly what you mean by "hanged".  If you mean held in the air entirely by your neck, then no, there is no way to do it safely.  If you mean breath play while otherwise suspended in the air, then there are ways.   This is not a type of play for a beginner.  No, its not brain surgery, but its a long way from beer and skittles. 

Suspension bondage is one of the most dangerous kinds of play that there is, in terms of producing injuries that require medical intervention.  Throw in noose play, and you probably have two of the top three or four together.  If your Master doesn't already know how to do this, then he needs to study at length with some experts at suspension bondage before attempting something like this.  He certainly won't learn how by having his sub ask questions on an Internet forum.


i would first like to clarify that i am not asking this at the direction of my Master. i am asking on  my own, in my desire to please Master.

i will discuss this further with Master, and learn of His experience in suspension bondage and if this is something He might like to do. i know He does have suspension cuffs and has expressed a wish to use them, but they are in storage, and He has not been able to get to them yet. i know Master has my safety in mind at all times, and would not do anything to put me in any danger. This was just the thoughts of a slave looking to better serve her Master and please Him to the best of her ability.

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RE: Being hanged - 12/9/2006 5:38:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		The only thing I ever saw that would fulfil the requirement would be the sort of harness that JW mentioned. We used to hang mutineers when I did battle reenactments and it looks like the real thing.

Dont put anything around your neck to hang from; there is no way to do this without breaking or at least damaging the neck (bones and/or muscle), constricting air to the lungs and/or blood to the brain, or resulting in pressure injuries and/or abrasion cuts to the neck tissue that will be obvious to nosey parkers for a while and could result in all kinds of interest from health and social workers as evidence of attempted suicide.

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RE: Being hanged - 12/9/2006 9:05:02 PM   
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this is far too dangerous a stunt--i am a male dom---but there comes a point when the life of your subbie matters most---you don't take that kind of a chance with someone else's life---the master should try it out first---if he doesn't die---the subbie still should not try it

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RE: Being hanged - 12/9/2006 11:53:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GrizzlyBear

You need to define exactly what you mean by "hanged".  If you mean held in the air entirely by your neck, then no, there is no way to do it safely.  If you mean breath play while otherwise suspended in the air, then there are ways.   This is not a type of play for a beginner.  No, its not brain surgery, but its a long way from beer and skittles. 

Yep.  The human body wasn't built to be hanged by it's big ol' head.  There is no muscular support structure in the cervical spine area to ensure that catastrophic damage will not be done.  Why else do you think it was a fairly effective form of execution?

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Best advice - 12/10/2006 5:52:16 AM   
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RE: Best advice - 12/10/2006 10:37:51 AM   
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Don't do it.  You may die.


i don't understand the purpose of messages like this and the comment made by urmastermentor that my Master should try being hanged first (which will certainly NOT be done). i know the risks, and know them even more now, thanks to the purposeful replies i have gotten, as well as my own research of late. i was not asking whether i should or should not do something, because i'm not stupid; obviously neither i nor my Master would put each other in danger, which would be why nothing of this sort has been done by us. i was asking if there was a way to make it safe, and am appreciative to those who responded without assuming that i am stupid enough to allow myself to be hanged in such a way as would have been done for executions.

i would like to know more about the harness that JohnWarren and LadyEllen mentioned, and where and from whom i might learn to properly use such a harness. i know it's not simple stuff, and i know it would take training. It is something i would be willing to put the extra work into.

damia the Kat

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RE: Best advice - 12/10/2006 11:43:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Damia

Not a clue where the one we had came from sorry.

But I just Googled "stunt harness" and there was at least one site that came up which offers "hanging harnesses"

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RE: Best advice - 12/10/2006 11:45:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Seems a bit of a catch 22 to me. If you get the stunt harness, learn to use it properly etc.... both you and your Master are still going to know that even when he kicks the chair out from under your feet and you drop... that you've bulged your eyes, stuck your tongue out and play-acted twitching a bit (and maybe pee-d and let your bowels go if you're trying to be really realistic).. but that there is no tension on your neck at all and that you could open your eyes and go "hi Sir... yup, very comfortable," if you so chose.... vs. goodness only knows what kind of horrendous, irreversible damage to your body/brain... or death as the other alternative... I have to wonder at the sense of any of it. I don't think there's any safe middle ground in this one. No matter what you do, one or the other (or both) of you is going to dissatisfied.
 
It took centuries for them to master the art of hanging (calculation involving body mass and allowed vertical drop, along with correct sizing and placement of the knot against the left side of the neck). Until then it must have been ugly, ugly, ugly.





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RE: Best advice - 12/10/2006 1:42:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Damia, I understand that you meant to be hanged by the neck.  Any attempt to hang someone from the neck will cut the air and the the blood flow supplies.  So my advice stays: Don't do it, you may die.
Whether you understand or not what I say I don't know.  But the advice is pretty clear.
Royalton

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RE: Best advice - 12/10/2006 5:38:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I don't have any experience with this, but the only thing I can think of that would 'make it safe' would be to rig something up that really didn't put *any* pressure on the neck or neck area. You may already know this, but there's tons of info out there on collar play, etc, that says the same thing. Like 'never pull from behind' and all that.

That harness thing John Warren and Lady Ellen spoke of would be a really good idea, but failing actually finding one, you could use a climbing harness or just plain ol' tying a climbing-safe harness on yourself if you know the knot. If you drape a skirt or something over it, it won't necessarily show. It's risky, but you could probably tie a loop or noose to the rope you're hung from to go for that 'hung' visual. I can't stress enough to take all precaution necessary to make sure there is *no* force whatsoever on the neck.

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Royalton, the thing about that kind of comment, presented the way it is, is that some people might question your validity. You say you understand what damia says, but repeating your given advice says to me that you don't.

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