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Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Attempte... - 12/28/2006 10:42:10 AM   
MasterZehl


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These two articles are from October and November of 2006.

Alleged Gorean "Master" Accused of Attempted. Murder.

Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Attempted Murder.
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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 12/28/2006 11:05:21 AM   
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If he would have only bought nitrile gloves, it would have been altogether different.........


LOLOLOLOL,
Some people.

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 12/28/2006 4:04:56 PM   
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I'm usually wary of news that don't cite sources, so here's some other links.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6050920.stm

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk

BDSMwatch

Liberal Googling the guy's name would offer lots more for those interested.  All in all, it reads like a 'truth stranger than fiction' tale.


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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 12/28/2006 9:31:05 PM   
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This is just me, but they married in July '05, she took another man's name in Sept '05 ... so why did he wait until March of '06 to get pissed and try to kill them when he was still there until Feb of '06 ... If something like that happened to me, I'd get pissed when my spouse took someone else's name, not wait another 6 months ... The guy sounds like more of a nutjob than most around here.

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 12/29/2006 2:19:38 AM   
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greetings

that was an eye opening news report. he was really turning to kill her but why i wonder he went off
many goreans are so proud of their self control i wonder if this is written in the gorean fourm? that poor woman she did not know this would happen but most man who abuse show it some who maybe that is why she was not with him any longer i am not shock he is human and as human we srcew up thank god he did not kill her

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 12/29/2006 5:31:04 AM   
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Safe bet they're both nutjobs.  Mons, that's why it was probably ignored in the Gorean forum - it was no more Gorean than a ham sandwich.   Don't worry too much on it, lots of people are murdered every day.  It's certainly tragic, but if you focus on making your own corner of the world better, it's easier to live with.

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 12/29/2006 8:17:56 AM   
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Note:  I'm cross-posting this from the Gorean section.  I express a Gorean point of view here, so if that tends to offend you, just skip this post.

It's just way too thin on details to say much about, other than it's the only example of something like this that I've seen in the news with "Gorean" attached to it in a very long time.

So, lets make some (wild-assed) assumptions here:

He actually considered himself a lifestyle Gorean.  It's a reasonable assertion, I guess, given how their relationship was described to the court that way.

He was trying to kill the woman because he thought it was his right as her master, and not just because she married him and then took up with some other dude, which, of course, is a leading cause of men trying to kill women in general.

Even if those two assumptions were true, would any of the Goreans here have thought of him as a Gorean, or just another of the misguided role-players who haunt the chatrooms?

Assuming the above assumptions are true, it would be obvious that to him, being Gorean is all about the slave.  Would a Gorean man (as we understand a Gorean man to be) place a slave, ANY slave, over his freedom (which he looked more than willing to forfeit on her account)?  Nah.  So, she's a slut for anyone with a whip in their hand and the odd antiques dealer who happens by.  Wow, big suprise there.    A Gorean man worth his salt would certainly discipline a slave like that for her disloyalty when, and if, she came crawling back to his feet, but absent that, he'd give her about as much thought as yesterday's news.

The first clue here was his willingness to drop his own life and haul ass over to the UK for her.  Edana will tell you that I take a rather suspicious and dim view of "Gorean" men who seem quick to do this.  Here's a prime example of why I hold that view.  Slave girls, if the most important thing that a man has going on in his life is you, he ain't Gorean, and you don't want him as a master.  Use this as a cautionary tale, and refer back to it whenever you encounter such a man.

It sucks that the word "Gorean" got dragged into a story like this, but the word is about the most Gorean thing here.  It does serve as a pretty good object lesson for the slave girls reading along though.


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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 12/29/2006 8:25:20 AM   
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Leonidas,

While obviously we're just speculating, it seems the guy was trying to justify his way out of jail.  He went so far as to say he wore latex gloves to 'keep warm.'  That he was going to try to 'commit suicide' using the oven.  These are gimmicks to give reasonable doubt about his premeditated intentions to kill her (the difference between a chance for parole in a couple decades, and a death in prison sentence.)  In any event, he might have been familiar with Gor - just as I might be familiar with the bible, when using said book to bash someone's head in.  It still wouldn't make me a Christian, or less of a murderer.

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 12/29/2006 8:40:02 AM   
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Tal and greetings
 
First off, I think this is one more "Black Eye" to those who consider themselves Gorean.  The article did state that there was no connection between this and the Gorean Community but chances are no matter what, it will be.  I think this also effect the BDSM Community as a whole. 
 
Stephann..if I many point out this happened in England, the death penalty was abolished in the 1960s although there are recent efforts to reinstate it.  Also as the article pointed out the Victim had an alleregy to latex which as in the article, this guy knew about it and was trying to force a latex glove down her throat.  In all I really do say this is a nutcase.
 
I wish you well
 
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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 12/29/2006 9:08:05 AM   
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Greetings Nosathro,

Quite right, the UK doesn't execute prisoners anymore.  I mentioned that the difference was he would die in prison i.e. receive a natural life sentance (meaning, spend the rest of his natural life in jail, with no possibility of parole.)  This is the harshest sentance that may be imposed, and considered appropriate for premeditated murder.

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 1/4/2007 4:11:42 PM   
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I read yet another story in the papers a while ago (same one?)...  About a lady who met a man online, then lead a master slave lifestyle, he was from the US and she is from the UK...  He put latex gloves on and stuck his fingers in her mouth, she is allergic to latex... 

Links did work..........

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 6/15/2007 1:12:55 PM   
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No offence but yes it was an interesting case .. . ...I was the victim thanks!

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 6/15/2007 1:17:52 PM   
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Thank You . . .no  i didnt know what i was getting in to the man was a nutter! I was abused by my father for years and figured i could handle what this man had to offer, i was wrong! Reality does not necessarily = expectation! ( salacious_squirrel)





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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 6/15/2007 1:19:30 PM   
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I thought you was dead, well, this thread oughtta be

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 6/15/2007 1:26:00 PM   
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If i was dead the thread would be too.. . . . btw . . . .if you aint interested why are you still looking?!?

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 6/15/2007 1:29:21 PM   
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btw . . . . i am happily vanilla bordering getting back in to the lifestyle.. . i think i deserve to step back a little . . . . 

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 6/15/2007 2:11:47 PM   
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salacioussquiz,

Then do so.  And if you are happy vanilla, why come back?

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 6/15/2007 2:28:53 PM   
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Because i miss it . . . . . . 

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 6/18/2007 6:33:15 AM   
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Your profile pic looks tons better than the one on the BBC site. I guess they wanted to show a photo of you looking really distressed?

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RE: Alleged Gorean "Master" Convicted of Atte... - 6/18/2007 6:54:09 AM   
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Uhhhh....

Ummmm.....

Erm....

Ok, I know we have some celebrities here on CM, but this is just bizzare.

Considering the vast amount of clearly personal, identifiable information on the net, why on gods green earth would you reveal your identity that way??  Does it not occur to you that anyone with a phone book can probably find you now?

Stephan

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