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"Code d' Odalisque" - 12/30/2006 5:42:56 AM

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i am interested in people's thoughts on this:

"Recently, another style of consensual slave-play has emerged. It is called "Code d' Odalisque". This is a rewriting of the ancient sex slave traditions of the Orient. It is a male dominant/ female submissive style in which a woman voluntarily plays the role of willing sex slave to a male Slavekeeper who uses her for his sexual gratification. This is a non-Sado-masochism style - the woman is kept as an exclusive pleasure slave. Nor is she a beast of burden. In the ancient exotic traditions of the East attractive female slaves were selected to serve as sex slaves in the Sultan's harem. They were saved from toil and their beauty preserved as they are put to a life of pleasure. Such slaves are called "odalisques" (a French version of a Turkish word.) An odalisque is a female sexual servant."
http://au.geocities.com/silkenways/introd.html

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RE: "Code d' Odalisque" - 12/30/2006 5:51:41 AM

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Hello : )

You say "slave-play" - do you mean it is a role play scene or is it their chosen roles and way of life? Curious.

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RE: "Code d' Odalisque" - 12/30/2006 5:52:31 AM

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Interesting to say the least.

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RE: "Code d' Odalisque" - 12/30/2006 5:59:23 AM

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All well and good - but, where is the basis for calling it (even partially) ancient and/or historical?

Seems another method of people to state that what they are doing is "legitimate" because it has "history" (*where none exists previously)

Fantasy play with "codified" assignments?

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i am interested in people's thoughts on this:

"Recently, another style of consensual slave-play has emerged. It is called "Code d' Odalisque". This is a rewriting of the ancient sex slave traditions of the Orient. It is a male dominant/ female submissive style in which a woman voluntarily plays the role of willing sex slave to a male Slavekeeper who uses her for his sexual gratification. This is a non-Sado-masochism style - the woman is kept as an exclusive pleasure slave. Nor is she a beast of burden. In the ancient exotic traditions of the East attractive female slaves were selected to serve as sex slaves in the Sultan's harem. They were saved from toil and their beauty preserved as they are put to a life of pleasure. Such slaves are called "odalisques" (a French version of a Turkish word.) An odalisque is a female sexual servant."
http://au.geocities.com/silkenways/introd.html

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RE: "Code d' Odalisque" - 12/30/2006 6:14:19 AM

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Such slaves are called "odalisques" (a French version of a Turkish word.) An odalisque is a female sexual servant."

Any idea why the "ancient Orientals" (that's a HUGE geographic area... can't they be more specific?) would use the French derivative of a Turkish word to describe something so exotically traditional to their culture? That would surely be a departure from their history.

Of course, I'm not at all sure what these "ancient sex slave traditions" might be. Perhaps you (or they) could direct us to some historical documents for determining the existence of those traditions (and it would be interesting to note if they are referred to as "odalisques"). I'm always open to becoming more informed.

John

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RE: "Code d' Odalisque" - 12/30/2006 6:22:12 AM

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there is a Yahoo group for it as well, although not very active. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FemaleSexualServants/

As far as the accuracy of it's historical origins, i truly do not know. This information was sent to me awhile back by an interested Dom and at the time seemed to me an interesting transition from vanilla to D/s, M/s. I ran across it again and could not recall anything like this being discussed here nor have i come across more than 1 person who has ever heard of it...

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RE: "Code d' Odalisque" - 12/30/2006 6:50:05 AM

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So...like...does this mean he'll hire a housekeeper, a lawn service, a laundry service, a cook and a personal grocery shopper (I want the mall shopping to be part of my "service.")...and all I have to do is see my hairdresser, my nail tech, and my make-up person on a consistent basis..and of course, engage in sexual activites with the person I "serve"?

And I can take classes on all the things that interest me..and him of course...and do all that stuff that make me more interesting to him?
(did I mention that if I could figure out a way to be a perpetual student, I would? It's my greatest hobby. I truly enjoy learning for it's own sake. So, now I can do that to further a relationship? OMG how wonderful!!).

Oh YEA!!! THIS IS FOR ME!!! I've found my "true" calling!!! I need to call my Master IMMEDIATELY and let him know!!

happy happy joy joy!!!!

juliet

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RE: "Code d' Odalisque" - 12/30/2006 6:58:07 AM

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Well, that would certainly be appealing! Doesn't seem to encompass much depth to me just an added dimension to spice a vanilla lifestyle but i am just interested in other people's thoughts :-)

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RE: "Code d' Odalisque" - 12/30/2006 7:01:44 AM

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i think it is based more on the myth of the harm girl, wearing fine jelwery, protected and cared for, sitting around on cushins all day when she is not being used sexualy. in a way it seam to be a ritualised D/s variant of the decoration wife, a women that is there for sex and to be a sort of pet, and witch is used for anly that. But it is an interesting thing, definitly interesting.
idont know if i am alowed to post a link here, if i am not my deepest apologies to the Moderators. But here, this site seam to be rather good and is aboute the topic at hand. http://au.geocities.com/silkenways/codeA.html

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RE: "Code d' Odalisque" - 12/30/2006 7:02:00 AM

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juliet...will you call mine too? He may be a bit more open to it if you tell him.

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RE: "Code d' Odalisque" - 12/30/2006 7:47:01 AM

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ORIGINAL: Rover

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ORIGINAL: dawntreader
Such slaves are called "odalisques" (a French version of a Turkish word.) An odalisque is a female sexual servant."

Any idea why the "ancient Orientals" (that's a HUGE geographic area... can't they be more specific?) would use the French derivative of a Turkish word to describe something so exotically traditional to their culture? That would surely be a departure from their history.

Of course, I'm not at all sure what these "ancient sex slave traditions" might be. Perhaps you (or they) could direct us to some historical documents for determining the existence of those traditions (and it would be interesting to note if they are referred to as "odalisques"). I'm always open to becoming more informed.

John

My guess (this isn't my time period by the way) is that it's a French attempt to understand the institution of the harem in Islamic and Arabic societies they started to "discover" during the crusades and after. These harem worlds because popular fodder for Victorian pornography and erotica but probably have little to do with observed evidence and more with travel writing and cultural myths than what a historian or socialist would do when investigating cultures.

Based on the little I do know about these harem institutions most of the "slaves" or "wives" were economic and political ties being made between powerful men. What their lives are like is hard to say because they don't leave behind many personal records and part of the reason for their isolation was to keep them from others so it would be difficult for an outsider to learn anything. I do know that in Islam while a man may have multiple wives he also has specific economic and sexual obligations to her and her children -- translates into needs a great income and good amount of free time he can manage.

Harems can be a hot fantasy but the reality of them probably varies widely.

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RE: "Code d' Odalisque" - 12/30/2006 7:53:07 AM

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It sounds like someone just took a few vague slivers of info from several cultures of ancient (and modern) times, combined the ones that best met the image of the fantasy and created a 'history'. Giving it a pretty cross-culture name only adds to the appeal.

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RE: "Code d' Odalisque" - 12/30/2006 8:00:50 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rover

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ORIGINAL: dawntreader
Such slaves are called "odalisques" (a French version of a Turkish word.) An odalisque is a female sexual servant."

Any idea why the "ancient Orientals" (that's a HUGE geographic area... can't they be more specific?) would use the French derivative of a Turkish word to describe something so exotically traditional to their culture? That would surely be a departure from their history.

Of course, I'm not at all sure what these "ancient sex slave traditions" might be. Perhaps you (or they) could direct us to some historical documents for determining the existence of those traditions (and it would be interesting to note if they are referred to as "odalisques"). I'm always open to becoming more informed.

John

My guess (this isn't my time period by the way) is that it's a French attempt to understand the institution of the harem in Islamic and Arabic societies they started to "discover" during the crusades and after. These harem worlds because popular fodder for Victorian pornography and erotica but probably have little to do with observed evidence and more with travel writing and cultural myths than what a historian or socialist would do when investigating cultures.

Based on the little I do know about these harem institutions most of the "slaves" or "wives" were economic and political ties being made between powerful men. What their lives are like is hard to say because they don't leave behind many personal records and part of the reason for their isolation was to keep them from others so it would be difficult for an outsider to learn anything. I do know that in Islam while a man may have multiple wives he also has specific economic and sexual obligations to her and her children -- translates into needs a great income and good amount of free time he can manage.

Harems can be a hot fantasy but the reality of them probably varies widely.

Thanks for the contribution, TammyJo. So this might be considered similar to the "elaborated" stories that accompanied most contacts with foreign peoples throughout history. Makes sense to me.

Interesting though, if I'm not mistaken, Arabia and Persia are distinctly different than the Orient.

John

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RE: "Code d' Odalisque" - 12/30/2006 8:18:02 AM

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juliet...will you call mine too? He may be a bit more open to it if you tell him.

Tell you what...you call mine; I'll call yours, and then we can both spend the day slaving at the spa as we get ready for a night out (which they pay for of course since we're only there for the sex) before coming home to the grueling task of multiple orgasms.

I tell you...this service stuff can be hard work!!!

Oooh ooh ooh! I just realized!! This calls for a personal trainer and any required babysitters too!!! One MUST keep in shape for one's service, and well, I deserve the very best, cause I'll serve him the very best I can.

And you know what they say...you get what you pay for...

wait a sec...that sounds suspiciously like....

naaaa...it can't be that...afterall, I'm doing this for "free."

juliet

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RE: "Code d' Odalisque" - 12/30/2006 8:44:05 AM

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As far as i know, most harmes in real history was not aboute sitting on ones ass and being pretty. A harm simply was a man`s women, his wives, lovers, unmarried sisters and daugthers, and his mother and other female relatives if they were unmarried. The women lived together whit the smal children, boy children was later taken out of the harem when they reatched a certin age. The luxery of the harm girls depended on how rich the man was, arich man might have silk clad women sitting on marble floors and eating grapes all day, but a poor man had women that worked, they tended the house, or made trinkets to sell.

A more similar to this lifestyle harem could probably be found in Asia whit the women of nobelity and royalty, they often had many, many wives and concubines, and theese women was artisans, sexual lovers, tenders of the household and they raised the children, theese might be like that, submissive, beautiful and spoiled, but that was not the life of an avrege harem girl. But it is a nice fantasy.

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RE: "Code d' Odalisque" - 12/30/2006 8:47:21 AM

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Girl, I LOVE the way you think.

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RE: "Code d' Odalisque" - 12/30/2006 8:54:53 AM

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Being the sexual person i am, this type of "slavery" is extremely appealing... but as i have experienced more of the aspect of s&m , i have unexpectedly discovered my body finds things erotic that my mind has trouble wrapping itself around. Plus there is a bit more excitement than just being a pampered object ( for me anyway, not that some pampering isn't great)
All of my relationships so far have been sexual and not service oriented, so i doubt i "fit" into any one category of anything, but the name itself has alot of appeal - i like it :-)

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RE: "Code d' Odalisque" - 12/30/2006 9:00:20 AM

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but a poor man had women that worked, they tended the house, or made trinkets to sell.

That's actually what I was thinking. A harem was simply a way to a) care for the women of one's family and b) provide more workers to help keep what might otherwise be a subsistence family viable.

And I'm thinking that we tend to consider situations like this as more apt to be in city situations. However, when you consider more nomadic variation, a harem would have more applications with regard to keeping single women safe, both from other less honorable members of that nomadic tribe as well as from possible other marauding tribes - kind of like circling the wagons in western lore with everyone working to keep the women safe. By necessity, it seems likely they'd be with the leaders and stronger people (men)within the community in those situations. I'm only speculating here, but it does seem likely that this was one of the original functions of a harem.

But really, I do like the whole "housekeeper, lawn care people, cook, laundress, personal trainer, and babysitter while I work out, make sure I'm all lovely and "serve" him by doing the things that will bring me multiple orgasms" model better. It's SO much better than real life - but only if I like the other women.

Cause I remember the lessons of my youth...like when I was told about how my grandfather (who I never met) brought his girlfriend - who his wife didn't know about - home to "help with the baby" (my mother). My grandfather lost his marriage that day, and his girlfriend nearly lost her life ...and my grandmother was perhaps one of THE most submissive women I have ever had the honor of knowing.

*grin*

Yep...this is the life for meeee...

juliet

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RE: "Code d' Odalisque" - 12/30/2006 9:07:53 AM

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Yes in deed, the harem structure is just another way to organsie a family. Here in Norway and in USA and similar contries the normal family is one man, his wife and children. Grandparents, auts and uncels and so on live somwere else. But in many cotries in the orient, it was common to ahve huge familes whit while familiy lines living together and the women of such a family line would from the harem. Ofcourse by some of theese cultures laws the women was little but slaves of their men, and a unmarried concubine was there for sex, sure enough, but if the family was not risch, she would ahve to work also.

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RE: "Code d' Odalisque" - 12/30/2006 9:35:52 AM

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Tal and greetings

Interesting. Historically I can't say if it is correct. It is true that slaves where kept in harems for the pleasure of the sultan. In many Courts, throughout the world it is well documented courtesans concubines were for the purpose.

I wish you well

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