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RE: Christian activists at a gay festival - 1/25/2008 11:30:40 PM

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Lets all ge together and protest their church and see how they like it, is turn around not fair play? I am a christian but I believe people should live their life as they are and not have to live as others think. If they don't like what we believe then go away. If we are doing something against the law we will be arrested, so protesters should should just go and pray at their place of worship for us and leave us alone.

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RE: Christian activists at a gay festival - 1/25/2008 11:54:38 PM

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I think we should all be able to live our lives as we are. I am a christian but would never protest their sevices and what they believe. Why do they think they have the right to protest what we believe.As long as we are not against the law then they should leave us alone. If they want to protest us then we should go and prostest thier beliefs and see how they like that. I truely think that if we start to treat them as they treat us things will change for the better for us. I do not think any force other than a peaceful protest is should be allowed. We should just use signs at their worship centers and see how they like it. I do believe in turn around is fair. When everyone starts to find out that their way of life( or religion) is not the only way to live we will be free to live. Almost half or more problems in life are religous and we need to have laws that prevent religon from governing our lives. We have laws seperating goverment and church when are we going to start enforcing that.

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RE: Christian activists at a gay festival - 1/26/2008 12:08:42 AM

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I have to qualify my 2nd and 5 sentences in the above posts. I do believe in treating others as they treat you, sorry but I do not believe in letting others run my life and will do on to them as they do to me. So while I don't believe in protesting them I do belive in do onto others as they have done to you. I know others on here may not have that outlook but to each their own. I think being christian means to lives as you believe and to pray for others not to take actions against or for them.

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RE: Christian activists at a gay festival - 1/26/2008 7:58:45 AM

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As much as I'd like to agree with the court ruling, as long as they weren't preventing the meeting from taking place, I think they ought to have the right to protest.

"I may not like what you have to say, but I respect your right to say it" and all that. If we stop them from protesting here, whose to say that we won't be able to protest the G8 summit, or the RNC, or anything like that? I mean, "Free speech zones" piss me off enough as it is, we need to stop that shit before it goes any further.

Speech that disrupts another person's activities is not and should not be protected. Shout at me all you want, just don't get in my way.

My understanding is the protesters were essentially acting to disrupt and if possible break up the festival. That is wrong.

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RE: Christian activists at a gay festival - 1/26/2008 3:43:07 PM

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Free speech can not be limited at all unless it creates or is likely to create an immediate danger to the public (such as yelling fire in a crowded theater), As much as we dislike what they do or say they have that right!. this same group that is protesting this event also protests military funerals on a regular basis their website is www.godhatesfags.com while I personally find what they do sickening if the Government denighs them the right to protest then they can denigh everyone that right! I can agree that in this case maybe requiring them to stay a certian distance from the funeral could be done with out infringing on their rights

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RE: Christian activists at a gay festival - 1/26/2008 3:57:51 PM

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well get some Hells Angels (motorcycle) cd/tvs - Goths - gay/lesbian and go to one of these church groups that like to protect the gay lifestyle - we all go in sit and behave and join their service - We are sinners and are here to be saved - they would not know how to respond - just an Idea but it would work

Y'know... now that would be interesting. Wait.. do you mean "protect the gay lifestyle or protect people FROM the gay lifestyle."

I was kind of confused.

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RE: Christian activists at a gay festival - 1/26/2008 4:14:19 PM

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I don't understand why people feel the need to try to tell others how to live. As far as I'm concerned they should run their own lives rathe than telling others how to live.

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RE: Christian activists at a gay festival - 1/26/2008 4:38:07 PM

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I don't understand why people feel the need to try to tell others how to live. As far as I'm concerned they should run their own lives rathe than telling others how to live.

Didn't somebody once say something about removing the beam from your own eye before mentioning the mote in your brother's eye? And something about the person without sin throwing the first stone?

Oh, wait. Wasn't that -- Jesus Christ?

And isn't he the one Christians profess to follow?

Yes, I'm a Christian, but I have too much cleaning up of my own life to do to be able to tell others how to clean up theirs.

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RE: Christian activists at a gay festival - 2/6/2008 9:11:47 PM

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These kind of protesters are ALWAYS at a gay festival.

Everyone who goes knows it and they laugh at or ignore them.

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RE: Christian activists at a gay festival - 2/7/2008 2:20:47 AM

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I think the difficulty lies not in the protesting, but in the disruption and blocking of participation. If the gohatesfags folks were having a rally and I went just to protest that would be legal as long as I was not attempting to break up their event or prevent their members from participating.

Incidentally, I am a liberal and a Christian and it irritates me to no end that some people will not acknowledge that I can be both, but they have the right to tell me whatever they wish. They don't have the right to get in the way of my liberal church trying to put on an event.

I will firmly uphold your right to believe whatever you believe. The right to express or act on that belief ends where anyone else's rights to pursue life begins. If you believe that all fags are evil and should die I probably don't want to be in the same room with you, but you can believe that. If you break laws while expressing that belief, you shouldn't be protected. If you want to assemble in or just outside a rally to protest, fine. If you want to disrupt the right to assemble for the people who hold the rally that is not. The same would be true if they began to assault the people at the rally. That isn't okay.

Isn't that the difference?

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RE: Christian activists at a gay festival - 2/7/2008 7:50:04 AM

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Liberals are by far, the most intolerant group in the country. They "accept" your viewpoint, as long as you agree with everything they say. If you disagree with any of their views, they become seething blowhards, and they cannot reconcile difference of opinons w/ their perception of the individual who holds that opinion. The syllogism is as follows: since you disagree with them and of course, their opinion is the only "moral" one, then ergo, you must be a hatefilled nazi or the like, b/c if you weren't you would agree with them. The church of liberalism is more intolerant and hatefilled than it's antithesis. People can protest anything, as long as it does not become violent. We don't have to like or agree with it, but they have the right to express their views. Free thought is not a crime...yet

I don't think you understand what "intolerant" means. In fact, you aptly described those who would try to control how people live their own lives and campaign for everyone to follow their own religious beliefs and morals. That is, Christian conservatives.

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RE: Christian activists at a gay festival - 2/7/2008 8:08:34 AM

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Liberals are by far, the most intolerant group in the country. They "accept" your viewpoint, as long as you agree with everything they say. If you disagree with any of their views, they become seething blowhards, and they cannot reconcile difference of opinons w/ their perception of the individual who holds that opinion. The syllogism is as follows: since you disagree with them and of course, their opinion is the only "moral" one, then ergo, you must be a hatefilled nazi or the like, b/c if you weren't you would agree with them. The church of liberalism is more intolerant and hatefilled than it's antithesis. People can protest anything, as long as it does not become violent. We don't have to like or agree with it, but they have the right to express their views. Free thought is not a crime...yet

As a card-carrying Liberal Party member and lifelong liberal, I must say that I find your rant grossly offensive and entirely unjust.

I believe that all parties should enjoy a right to free speech and free assembly, and to make their point in a reasonable way.

Even, and most especially, when I disagree with it.

I cannot comment on this particular event as I was not there and have not read an in depth analysis.

But I have been at events where my fellow marchers and I were the target of violent attempts at intimidation by conservative, fascist, socialist, communist and anarchist groups, in the course of street and other demonstrations and protests. Even, at one point, I now learn, facing concealed American machine guns in their embassy in Berkeley Square, London in the Vietnam era.

In most cases the police were there and did a damn good job of keeping the peace by keeping distance between the two groups; where they weren't the 'rational tendency' of whatever political hue always managed to keep the peace by passive resistance - at such times I have linked arms with political 'enemies' like hard-line Stalinists to hold the line to avoid violent confrontation. I find the idea of a 'violent liberal' something of an oxymoron; I can't think of any I know, besides Paddy Ashdown - and he was never really a liberal anyway!

There seems no suggestion here that either the police or courts are or were partisan in this case. I think that before you assert that the religious nutters, or any other faction determined to publicise themselves, should be allowed to disrupt someone else's event, you should be willing to take your place in the police lines facing an angry mob on both sides. I have been there and done that, and accept that where one side or the other is capable of violence, the authorities have a responsibility to keep the peace.

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RE: Christian activists at a gay festival - 2/11/2008 3:31:09 PM

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people should be allowed to protest anything they want. i enjoy going to the local coffee shop in my old "Bush Chaney in 04" shirt and exchanging dirty looks with varying people. the problem with liberals is that they don't have a problem with what other people think as long as it's not a conservative viewpoint. conservative views are often met with hatred and a general lack of respect. this isn't very libral at all, is it? the few protesters at this event were mealy exercising there first amendment rights. look at it from there side, we now live in a world where gay pride festivals are now acceptable but a nativity at Christmas has now somehow become offensive. are we advocating tolerance or forcing acceptance? their is a difference. we tolerate the crying baby on the airplane but we don't have to accept or embrace it

That was an awfully long and grammatically incorrect way of saying "Hi, I'm an asshole."

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RE: Christian activists at a gay festival - 2/11/2008 5:18:56 PM

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Would you say the same thing if the people getting together were the skinheads or the Ku Klux Klan? Should they be allowed to get together and talk about hatred of other people in a casual and comfortable atmosphere without worry that negativity against their negativity would be spouted at them?

they already do. its called getting together late at night out in the woods or at the Grand Wizard/Dragon's home. As for going out in public they have done that as well with bullhorns at that.

As far as the OP goes, I'm not touching that with a 10ft pole because the very thought of WBC's antics make my skin crawl. All they are about is trying to inflame the sinners into striking out at them.

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RE: Christian activists at a gay festival - 2/12/2008 6:58:05 AM

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people should be allowed to protest anything they want. i enjoy going to the local coffee shop in my old "Bush Chaney in 04" shirt and exchanging dirty looks with varying people. the problem with liberals is that they don't have a problem with what other people think as long as it's not a conservative viewpoint. conservative views are often met with hatred and a general lack of respect. this isn't very libral at all, is it? the few protesters at this event were mealy exercising there first amendment rights. look at it from there side, we now live in a world where gay pride festivals are now acceptable but a nativity at Christmas has now somehow become offensive. are we advocating tolerance or forcing acceptance? their is a difference. we tolerate the crying baby on the airplane but we don't have to accept or embrace it

That was an awfully long and grammatically incorrect way of saying "Hi, I'm an asshole."

So the comeback to the question 'Why do people respond by calling names?' is to respond by calling him an asshole? ..... If that was intentional satire that is the most briliant comment I have ever seen!

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RE: Christian activists at a gay festival - 2/13/2008 3:44:57 PM

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i think there are some things that should just be sacred. people should have the right to be together and not have to worry about negativity being spouted at them. i mean, i'm sure that skinheads at an naacp meeting would be blocked; i doubt that people would not be up in arms about anti-muslim activists barging into an islamic culture festival...or pagans demonstrating at a church function, for that matter...so why would anyone even think this would be acceptable?

I think local pagans and gays protesting their church services would be a great response personally. I am in favor of free speech, even obnoxious free speech, although I do think the folks from godhatesfags who protest funerals are going too far.

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RE: Christian activists at a gay festival - 2/13/2008 3:50:38 PM

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Liberals are by far, the most intolerant group in the country. They "accept" your viewpoint, as long as you agree with everything they say. If you disagree with any of their views, they become seething blowhards, and they cannot reconcile difference of opinons w/ their perception of the individual who holds that opinion. The syllogism is as follows: since you disagree with them and of course, their opinion is the only "moral" one, then ergo, you must be a hatefilled nazi or the like, b/c if you weren't you would agree with them. The church of liberalism is more intolerant and hatefilled than it's antithesis. People can protest anything, as long as it does not become violent. We don't have to like or agree with it, but they have the right to express their views. Free thought is not a crime...yet

I get the feeling you could really use some more exposure to liberals rather than just the stereotypes of us that are put out by people like Rush Limbaugh. Certainly some liberals are intolerant and hate filled, just as some conservatives are, but by and large I would say that neither group has a monopoly on either tolerance or intolerance.

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RE: Christian activists at a gay festival - 2/14/2008 10:55:13 AM

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Personally I wish to knock every single Christian protester, be they at a GLBT rally or at an LDS temple and ask them if they really think that their hostile actions are going to make any that they protest re-think their values.

There are good Christians out there that live by the words of Christ and exercise "love one another, as I have loved you" and they just hold out their hand in friendship for those that wish to embrace it, sadly, they don't get the press coverage.

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RE: Christian activists at a gay festival - 2/16/2008 10:02:47 PM

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people should be allowed to protest anything they want. i enjoy going to the local coffee shop in my old "Bush Chaney in 04" shirt and exchanging dirty looks with varying people. the problem with liberals is that they don't have a problem with what other people think as long as it's not a conservative viewpoint. conservative views are often met with hatred and a general lack of respect. this isn't very libral at all, is it? the few protesters at this event were mealy exercising there first amendment rights. look at it from there side, we now live in a world where gay pride festivals are now acceptable but a nativity at Christmas has now somehow become offensive. are we advocating tolerance or forcing acceptance? their is a difference. we tolerate the crying baby on the airplane but we don't have to accept or embrace it

That was an awfully long and grammatically incorrect way of saying "Hi, I'm an asshole."

So the comeback to the question 'Why do people respond by calling names?' is to respond by calling him an asshole? ..... If that was intentional satire that is the most brilliant comment I have ever seen! (The Hungry Tiger)

well its partly satire, i dont have my "bush cheany" shirt anymore cause it was damaged at a "peace" rally when i was attacked by a bunch of liberals wearing obamma masks. in all fairness to the protesters they were just trying elevate my way of thinking to a more politically correct view. it has worked somewhat, when i got out of the hospital i noticed a very pronounced craving for CNN and an inability to think for myself. but unfortunately i think im still an asshole because some of my opinions still fall to the right. a one line rebut just saying im an asshole, come on Aeraci, you can do better then that. is it that you are surrounded by like minded liberals at you very prestigious community collage, and you haven't had a chance to engage in real debate with grown-ups? to bad. im sure you will do better next time. maybe when your old enough to drink you'll have an opinion of your very own and not the one that has been programed into your young mind by years of leftist propaganda. i thank the hungry tiger for seeing my brilliantness

well im off to goose stepping class after i check e-bay for a new shirt. Jeb Bush in 12 anyone?

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RE: Christian activists at a gay festival - 2/16/2008 10:20:53 PM

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people should be allowed to protest anything they want. i enjoy going to the local coffee shop in my old "Bush Chaney in 04" shirt and exchanging dirty looks with varying people. the problem with liberals is that they don't have a problem with what other people think as long as it's not a conservative viewpoint. conservative views are often met with hatred and a general lack of respect. this isn't very libral at all, is it? the few protesters at this event were mealy exercising there first amendment rights. look at it from there side, we now live in a world where gay pride festivals are now acceptable but a nativity at Christmas has now somehow become offensive. are we advocating tolerance or forcing acceptance? their is a difference. we tolerate the crying baby on the airplane but we don't have to accept or embrace it

That was an awfully long and grammatically incorrect way of saying "Hi, I'm an asshole."

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