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Real0ne -> RE: The Birth of Fascism in South America (2/1/2007 7:59:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 Unlikely any issues will arise from China. The economies of both countries are just so interlinked that a war would devastate both countries. Taiwan is the only wildcard. maybe but then why the arms buildup?

cyberdude611 -> RE: The Birth of Fascism in South America (2/1/2007 8:31:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 Unlikely any issues will arise from China. The economies of both countries are just so interlinked that a war would devastate both countries. Taiwan is the only wildcard. maybe but then why the arms buildup? Just because someone flexes his muscle in front of you doesnt mean he plans on punching you out. The majority of the Chinese build-up is on short range missiles and ground forces. This would mean more of a threat to Taiwan than anyone else since the majority of these missile launchers are located in southeast China. China has no ability to get its massive army to US soil. So the size of their army is a minimal threat. Now true they have been making moves for a blue-water Navy and anti-satillite technology. We've known for a long time that they have the capability to track our stealths (well, we think that they do). A few years ago they shot off a torpedo near a US Cruiser. And just a few months ago a Chinese sub was following and surfaced near a US ship. Even so, our Navy and Air Force is vastly superior to theirs. But the Chinese military has been playing war games with us for a very long time and nothing really serious has come of it. In fact, just last year the US and China held joint Naval exercises. So it is a strange relationship indeed. China is also keeping Kim Jong Ill on a short leash. That's why the US has basically been ignoring North Korea. China will not allow Kim Jong Ill to get out of control. The reason being is that they do not want Japan or South Korea to develep nukes. And they don't want any more American forces in that region.

Real0ne -> RE: The Birth of Fascism in South America (2/1/2007 8:49:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 Unlikely any issues will arise from China. The economies of both countries are just so interlinked that a war would devastate both countries. Taiwan is the only wildcard. maybe but then why the arms buildup? Just because someone flexes his muscle in front of you doesnt mean he plans on punching you out. The majority of the Chinese build-up is on short range missiles and ground forces. This would mean more of a threat to Taiwan than anyone else since the majority of these missile launchers are located in southeast China. The majority of the Chinese build-up is on short range missiles and ground forces. and navy is my understanding yes we used to taunt russia and russia us in the very same ways

Sinergy -> RE: The Birth of Fascism in South America (2/1/2007 8:54:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 China has no ability to get its massive army to US soil. So the size of their army is a minimal threat. There was a container shipped from China and opened on the docks, allowing the 40+ Chinese hiding inside to escape and run in all directions to find their way off the docks. The 3 security guards talked on their radios about it and attempted to chase down a couple of them. The longshoreman all laughed. If China wants to invade, they ship 6000 containers filled with 40 heavily armed soldiers to Long Beach, and people like me express our morphemes, unload the ship, and laugh when the invading army jumps out of the containers. But China doesnt want to invade us. They simply want to destroy our economy using Walmart. Sinergy

meatcleaver -> RE: The Birth of Fascism in South America (2/1/2007 11:18:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 Russia isn't a problem right now. Yes, they are still selling their weapons to the highest bidder despite international opposition which suggests they are still hurting for cash. But the US is in a strange situation concerning Russian relations. Putin is not very popular in Europe. The EU thinks Putin is trying to roll back democratic reforms. They also dont like his policies concerning Chechnya and terrorism. Even though Putin has reached out and tried to make better ties with the US, especially after 9/11, the US has had to back off a bit because of European concerns. So we will just have to wait and see what develops with Russia before predicting what is going to happen with them. However, The Russian space agency and NASA have an extremely good relationship. So that's one thing holding strong. Also the US has said they will share nuclear missile defense technology with Moscow once it is implimented. Putin has stated categorically he shall not stand for a further term as President. We'll see. Europe thinks Russia is being Russia, it is still stinging from its collapse as a superpower but its definitely on its way back. Putin is doing his best to woo Europe but doesn't know how to. Democracy to a Russian leader is too nebulus but Putin and co realise without it Russia is going nowhere in the west. They are just struggling with the concept. International relationships aren't about blowing each other back to the stone age like Bush seems to think but like any competitive relationship, you want to gain the advantage while remaining on good terms and maybe even fucking someone else's partner while fucking you. Bush's threats and fits of peek just keep everyone at a distance and alienates them. Another administration like Bush's and Putin and Russia won't look that bad, they are proving more predictable than the US even if their manners are something to be desired.

Sinergy -> RE: The Birth of Fascism in South America (2/2/2007 5:34:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver You're missing the point. While America sees enemies everywhere and fighting wars ain't cheap, even against 3rd world countries, i.e. Iraq, India and China are quietly rising. Hmm The US under Bush reminds me of the old USSR, the world is round so enemies are all around. 1900 Britain was the richest country in the world and Germany and was the new kid on the block like India and China now. There was no way Britain could lose its power, it wasn't just a matter of not fighting WWI which it didn't have to and looked after its economy and things might have been different. The problem was, the world changed and the world is changing now with China and India most probably becoming superpowers. It's not about the US being defeated but having to come to terms with a new reality because it weakened its economy on wars while other powers quietly built theirs. Empires never see the end until its upon them. History teaches us that countries like China (more likely) and India (less likely) becoming more powerful, will do more to keep the United States powerful, than to curb that power. This is very true. Witness the burgeoning greatness of Imperial Rome, Ancient Greece, Persia, Napoleonic France, the USSR, 16th Century Spain. 15th Century Holland... Wait, umm... Sinergy

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