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STD's from floggers? - 2/6/2007 9:27:08 AM

needdiscipline23

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I'm very much new to the scene as far as r/l experience, and a domme was using a flogger on my back last week...I believe she uses it on her boy as well as probably other girls she has dommed.

Is there any risk of getting any kind of an std from a leather flogger (or one of other materials) if used on the genitals? Or, I guess, anywhere on bare skin? I just can't imagine how this would be cleaned between uses....Thanks!

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RE: STD's from floggers? - 2/6/2007 9:51:57 AM

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You can clean anything if you want to bad enough. Leather is one of the tougher ones to sterilize though.
As far as STD's go you can get an STD from virtually any play party you go to where you are in the same room as someone else playing. It isn't commonplace but it does happen.
Airborne particles of blood among other things flying around. You can inhale them, get them on your hands and other areas of your body, transport them.

Well, yes you can get STD's. It is a good idea to have your own toys. Do not share. If you are a couple do not share them.
I've had two dominants in my life the first one gave me all toys when we broke up. He bought all new. The second one, well we've collected toys along the way now.

Not up on the current studies but I do know the "germs" for lack of a better word do die after a period of time. However I would not risk it.

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RE: STD's from floggers? - 2/6/2007 9:19:14 PM

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It's a risk, but it's fairly low. Of course if no one has anything there is nothing to contract, but I've learned to assume that play partners have everything and take precautions. Thte safest thing any bottom can do is buy their own toys. That way they know that they have not been used on anyone else.

Here is a link to a very good article on toys and infection...

http://www.domsub.info/toysandrisk.html

Educate yourself; take responsibility for your own health; stand up for yourself if you think something the top is about to do is unsafe. If they don't care about you then why are you playing with them?

There are lots of good resources online. The more you know the better. Hope this helps.

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RE: STD's from floggers? - 2/7/2007 8:26:01 AM

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Thanks!
Very informative article, Ma'am, it has definitely given me food for thought.

It definitely looks like I'm going to have to start collecting some of my own toys!

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RE: STD's from floggers? - 2/7/2007 11:03:37 AM

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EVERY implament that is used on more then one person should be cleaned EMEDIATLY after EVERY use period. While it is highly improbable it isnt imposable to get something if skin is broken or fluids deposated. Though things like AIDS do usualy die after contacting the air there is really no reason to chance things.

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RE: STD's from floggers? - 2/7/2007 2:01:56 PM

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Thanks Magiksslave--the domme I was with is very experienced (about 25 years) and very respected in the local scene from what I can tell, so I'm guessing that she is more on top of this than I am--at least, I'm hoping so! But I'm definitely going to bring this up with her, if for no other reason than she'd be offended if I was concerned and DIDN'T...but again, the leather floggers are so difficult to clean, and I don't THINK she cleaned them after she used them on me (she put them back in her box with other toys that she didn't use) which probably means she didn't clean them BEFORE using them on me either...

Other than this, though, she seems extremely professional and experienced....I guess depending on her answer, I'm just going to have to invest in some toys of my own...gads...anyone know some relatively inexpensive ways to begin a collection?

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RE: STD's from floggers? - 2/7/2007 2:10:56 PM

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http://www.frugaldomme.com/

A good site for information, less expensive equipment
and cleaning products!

http://www.frugaldomme.com/manufact/manufa2.htm#blood

Specific instructions on cleaning blood from leather products.

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RE: STD's from floggers? - 2/7/2007 2:47:24 PM

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Perfect! Thanks!

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RE: STD's from floggers? - 2/9/2007 11:05:11 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: needdiscipline23

I'm very much new to the scene as far as r/l experience, and a domme was using a flogger on my back last week...I believe she uses it on her boy as well as probably other girls she has dommed.

Is there any risk of getting any kind of an std from a leather flogger (or one of other materials) if used on the genitals? Or, I guess, anywhere on bare skin? I just can't imagine how this would be cleaned between uses....Thanks!

Haven't read the thread. However the answer is yes, leather is impossible to sterilize and some virii can enter a dormant state, remaining viable for lengthy period of time. Same for some bacteriae. I haven't read if the AIDs virus is transmisible this way but if the blood from an infected person gets on a whip I don't see why not. Depending on the the duration of the virii viabililty.

Autoclaves aren't widely availble to most people, and that is the only way to sterilized items properly.

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RE: STD's from floggers? - 2/10/2007 11:17:52 AM

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HIV (not aids; that's a syndrome not a virus) can live up to 12 hours after exposure to the air. Hep C can live a month or longer.
Play safe; get your own toys.

LS

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RE: STD's from floggers? - 2/15/2007 11:59:46 AM

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HEXZACTLY!
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HIV (not aids; that's a syndrome not a virus) can live up to 12 hours after exposure to the air. Hep C can live a month or longer.
Play safe; get your own toys.

LS

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RE: STD's from floggers? - 2/15/2007 7:07:38 PM

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An educated guess: Genitalia person a then used on genitalia person b.

Since there is a high liklihood of surface abrasion, breaking down the skin barrier virii can penetrate. I'd think that Hepatitis C could be commonly transferred. This might present as a subclinical Hep C infection which, in the past has been common with tattooing without surgical masks. There are no acute symptoms, but the person is still at risk for liver cancers and full blown Hep C later in life. HIV is not so likely as it is less virulent and wimpier than Hepatitis C. If there is genital to even coincidental mouth contact Hepatitis B would be easily transmitted, it is both virulent and resistant to drying. If used genital to genital when still wet Chlalmydia, Gonorrhea, Syphilis, and HSV-2 (genital herpes) (if viral shedding is occurring, which is most often asymptomatic) is a possibility along with a few lesser STI's.

It is possible, though of unknown efficacy to take Purell (the 70% alcohol gel) and wet each strand of the flogger sequentially, rubbing it in well. This is a good task for a subbie. It will dry in about 15 minutes and might offer good protection. As mentioned above, why take the chance? One person, one flogger. I have also wondered if one could take a flogger and place it in an oven at about 200 degrees farenheit for about 5 hours. I would suspect that this would sterilize it, then rub it down with saddle soap. Though I cannot quote any studies on this.

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RE: STD's from floggers? - 2/16/2007 2:56:41 PM

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I know a seller on ebay that has some great toys for very cheap. all brand new and nice quality. I'd be happy to either post the name here or email it to anyone interested

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RE: STD's from floggers? - 10/22/2008 2:00:08 PM

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Yes. You can get STDs from floggers. It is very rare that you do so. And STDs are called such because you have to have an exchange of bodily fluids, not inhalation (You can look this up on any medical website). the period. For most STDs to stay in your system can last up to 10 yrs. Dont freak though. Most of them dont last that long. Im in college and were learning about STDs in our health class. The only way that you could get an STD from a flogging is if she broke skin AND the part of the flog that already had blood or semen, or vaginal fluid on it connected with your blood. The Other way is if you put it in your mouth, or stuck it up your ass.

The only thing I agree on is that you HAVE YOUR OWN TOYS! You do have a very few important rights when scening with an indvidual. Them using your own toys on you is one of them. Otherwise it is no longer safe. My Master will not use any toy on me that he has used on my sister slave first without cleaning it. We have seperate gags for that reason and he has never broken skin for that reason.

Please remeber that this is supposed to be safe sane and consensual. I wish you much pain and groveling from one slave to another. Serve well.

If you are still concerned however, go down to the health department and get yourself tested.

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RE: STD's from floggers? - 10/22/2008 7:27:51 PM

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You should invest in your own toys anyway. That way you're gaurenteed to have favorites on hand, and you know they're clean.

I got some of my toys online from ebay. And as far as sex toys go, comparison shop a lot, you can find some toys are cheaper on some websites and more costly on the other site.

Paddles can be bought cheaply if you use cutting boards, gotten for cheap from walmart, spatula's too a re cheap and good spanker toys. Don't think your collection has to be things specifically ment for sexuality purposes. You can find a lot of fun stuff that started life as non kinky.

If you're using insertables like anal sex dildo's put condoms on them, they keep the toy clean from poop, easier to clean up, and probably help prolong the life of the toy.

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ORIGINAL: needdiscipline23

I don't THINK she cleaned them after she used them on me (she put them back in her box with other toys that she didn't use) which probably means she didn't clean them BEFORE using them on me either...

Other than this, though, she seems extremely professional and experienced....I guess depending on her answer, I'm just going to have to invest in some toys of my own...gads...anyone know some relatively inexpensive ways to begin a collection?

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RE: STD's from floggers? - 10/22/2008 8:11:40 PM

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The only sex toys of which I am aware that can truly be sterilized are silicone, glass, and some forms of non-porous metal: via boiling.
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RE: STD's from floggers? - 10/22/2008 8:50:44 PM

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HIV (not aids; that's a syndrome not a virus) can live up to 12 hours after exposure to the air. Hep C can live a month or longer.
Play safe; get your own toys.

LS

There are only a few viruses that are virulent enough to survive in the open air for long lengths of time. But, as stated above HIV and Hep are in that category. Since both of those are life threatening, and certainly out of the "inconvenience" realm....it's worth getting your toys.

There was a guy in San Francisco that offered a pamphlet on sterilizing floggers, but it went like: "soak the leather with alcohol in a spray bottle. Hang dry for 30 days. Then oil the leather"

I was always taught that you shouldn't put anything on leather that you wouldn't put on your face.....so you see why I think the above isn't a great thing for your toys. It's just better to keep your own.

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RE: STD's from floggers? - 10/23/2008 2:26:57 PM

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I saw an invention on dragons den (a t.v program) it looked like a microwave and it was a home sterilizer...they said bigger versions were used in hospitals and you can put anything in it like detures, trainers (apparently to rid them of smell) cutlery, baby bottles...
I don't know if any of them are on the market yet for home use but they would be great for sex toys eh?

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RE: STD's from floggers? - 10/27/2008 1:28:23 PM

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http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=F5qgAOWOgy4C&pg=PA89&lpg=PA89&dq=sterilize+leather+flogger&source=web&ots=TTO0vxrUJr&sig=YjTmf76OqlbHBt4-ksDOAowtzEc&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=6&ct=result

Floggers tend to be soft and do (usually) not break the skin so unless you had abrasions from play before chances that you might catch something are rather small, however it is never a bad idea to have your own toys. A friend of mine is a nurse and also quite kinky, she described the danger of getting an STD from a flogger as a lot less likely than catching an STD while drinking from the same glass. I know it's not popular but it makes a lot more sense if you are flogging a guy's genital area that he is actually wearing a condom, simply for hygienic reasons, unless of course you are fluid bonded and the toys are not used by anybody else.
If there is even the slightest danger of a whip coming in contact with blood, wash it with antibacterial soap, then spray it with alcohol and do NOT use it on anybody else for at least 30 days. Of course it is not great for the leather (you can minimize the damage by using leather balm) but I'd rather lose a good whip than risk infecting anybody.

What freaked me out at parties was often that the same clamps were used on different people without being sterilized. Clothes pegs might not look so impressive but for very little money you can get a lot of wooden pegs and they can be disposed after use.

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