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Is there a difference regarding punishment re: submiss... - 2/15/2007 3:07:04 PM   
CreativeDominant


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Status: offline 		The thread on punishment...and several posts on other threads...have gotten me to wondering about several things.

***Please note...I know that "daddy's girls" see themselves as submissives.  I am not questioning that.  I accept that they are submissive and the use of the two separate terms is ONLY for distinguishing the differences in dynamics....subtle or great...between a daddy's girl submissive and a submissive that does not identify as a daddy's girl.***

Do "daddy's girls" view punishment differently than submissives?  

Are there daddy's girls involved in a "Daddy-girl" dynamic where punishment is not a part of the dynamic or, in this type of dynamic, is punishment of some sort seen as an integral part of the "Daddy-little girl" interaction?

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RE: Is there a difference regarding punishment re: sub... - 2/15/2007 3:13:51 PM   
anouska14


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Status: offline 		goodness me, there's so many words in there, too many for a little girl to understand!
 
'dynamic', 'distinguishing', 'integral', 'interaction'...
 
if You mean 'do Daddy's girls get punished?' - i'd like to answer, but i've just been sent to bed without any supper.

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RE: Is there a difference regarding punishment re: sub... - 2/15/2007 3:19:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is a great question, I am not a submissive so I can only guess.  I would think a Daddy would be nurturing than a
Master.  I look forward to reading some responses.

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RE: Is there a difference regarding punishment re: sub... - 2/15/2007 3:23:23 PM   
CreativeDominant


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This is a great question, I am not a submissive so I can only guess.  I would think a Daddy would be nurturing than a
Master.  I look forward to reading some responses.


There has already been a thread on nurturing and the differences...or lack thereof...between Daddies and dominants.  But, to come back to you within your context...couldn't punishment be viewed by "Daddy" as nurturing her along?

I will be curious to see how the responses go too....

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RE: Is there a difference regarding punishment re: sub... - 2/15/2007 3:34:15 PM   
SusanofO


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Status: offline 		I don't really see necesssarily see myself as always being a Daddy's girl, but my Dominant does, for the time being anyway, so I am going with that (I think this has to do with my lack of bdsm experience, and also with some personal experiences I revealed to him that led him to believe I might well need a Daddy in my life).

I am very glad that my Dominant-Daddy has a pretty Sadistic (and less stereotypically "Daddy-like" side to him that he is planning to reveal to me as well (at some point), because I know I have a masochistic side also.

I am not really sure how it will all play out in terms of what the difference would be to me in terms of discipline (we haven't met in person yet, but will next month) - but I am inclined to believe Daddy's discipline will involve more spankings and other things of a less sadistic nature, than it will when he lets his "more Sadistic" side out. 

I am also inclined to think he will be less harsh as far as judging possibly negative actions on my part as maybe requiring physical discipline when I am in "daughter mode", then maybe he will when I am in "submissive-slave mode." 

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RE: Is there a difference regarding punishment re: sub... - 2/15/2007 3:36:45 PM   
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Do "daddy's girls" view punishment differently than submissives?  

Well i know how i view punishment  but i am not sure how other submissives do.  As a matter of fact, it seems some (many?) on here don't even like the word punishment.  And some (many?) use 'a talking to' more than anything physical.  i guess that's why i can't compare the two.  i really don't know how other subs are disciplined other than what i have read on here.

Are there daddy's girls involved in a "Daddy-girl" dynamic where punishment is not a part of the dynamic or, in this type of dynamic, is punishment of some sort seen as an integral part of the "Daddy-little girl" interaction?

It was integral for me and most of the daddys girls i've gotten to know.  i would actually say for all the girls i've talked with but that would only include them....so i can't speak for all in general.  i can also say that for the ones i got to know, spanking was the primary punishment but i realize of course that others do different things.
 
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RE: Is there a difference regarding punishment re: sub... - 2/15/2007 3:39:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


There has already been a thread on nurturing and the differences...or lack thereof...between Daddies and dominants.  But, to come back to you within your context...couldn't punishment be viewed by "Daddy" as nurturing her along?

I will be curious to see how the responses go too....


Well, if you think of it in a parental type of way, yes, it was seen as a part of the nurturing.
 
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RE: Is there a difference regarding punishment re: sub... - 2/15/2007 4:27:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		i'm a daddy's girl, i guess and no i dont think there is a difference.  But thats because Daddy doesnt punish me.  As i explained on the other thread.. its like two parts.  Master and Daddy.  Master punishes me.  Generally it throws me into fits of anxiety before hand.. especially if i am waiting for it and doubly if i have to prep for it.  i dunno about anyone else, but i absolutetly fear it. 

It'd be a whole heck of alot nicer if Daddy did the punishing.  i could probably cry my way out of it, i'd get tons of mercy, i could sit on his lap and tell him how i've learned my lesson - it'd probably be alot more pleasant!  Yet there is nothing, nor will ever be, anything pleasant about getting in trouble.  But heck, if Daddy was doing it, i could probably sit on his lap and tell him how horrible i felt, cry about how i've disappointed him and he would make it all better.  Cos thats what Daddy's do, they make things allllllllll better. 


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RE: Is there a difference regarding punishment re: sub... - 2/15/2007 4:49:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		punishment is part of the dynamic of this Daddy-daughter relationship. He does it because i need to learn a lesson if i did wrong plus to show that He cares and loves me. i have received some tough punishments from Him such as no contact or communication for 24hrs - you might think that to be a lite sentence however it wasn't. 

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RE: Is there a difference regarding punishment re: sub... - 2/15/2007 5:10:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, not being a voice of experience..let me just say from some observations that I have seen that many view punishments from "Daddy" differently than punishment from "Master"..IMO.."Daddy" may punish with a lighter hand, a bit of guilt ,thus allowing the little girl/submissive to possibly weedle her way out of the punishment or to, at least lessen its severity,the submissive sees "Daddy" as more reasonable..as I have stated in another thread that "Daddy" brings up feelings of safety and protection and affection..whereas "Master" will let the punishment fit the crime and punish as he sees fit never allowing for those feelings of love or tenderness to interfere in what he percieves as his duty.and again the title "Master" can bring out trepidation in a submissive. The submissive knows when dealing with "Master" that there is no weddle room..and hence does not even attempt to cajole..just simply accept what they know is coming....Tempting

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RE: Is there a difference regarding punishment re: sub... - 2/15/2007 5:21:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		If i ever tried to wheedle or cajole my way out of a discipline spanking, the punishment would have been much harsher.  He didn't like that at all and that was made very clear.  But he was quite severe and his loving feelings did not interfere with his harshness in any way.  As he used to say...'this is going to hurt me as much as you'.  Yeh right!  i still don't believe that one 
 
Edited to add:  It's a common fallacy that lil girls can get out of punishment and although that may be acceptable to some doms, that has not been my experience.  Again, that just caused more severity.

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RE: Is there a difference regarding punishment re: sub... - 2/15/2007 5:22:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		sorry but with my Daddy, there's no such thing as "weddle" out of any punishment with Him.  He's very firm and strict about that - this is where His Dom side kicks in.

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RE: Is there a difference regarding punishment re: sub... - 2/15/2007 6:18:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		He is very nurturing and indulgent, very protective of me but doesn't identify as a daddy. However we don't have a punishment dynamic. I don't think it's necessary. If you give someone who responds best to love and affirmation what they need then you probably won't need to punish as they will be motivated to please in order to get the love and affirmation.

Besides anytime someone asks is there anyone who, the answer is always yes. If you can dream it up, so could someone else before you.

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RE: Is there a difference regarding punishment re: sub... - 2/15/2007 6:42:18 PM   
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***Please note...I know that "daddy's girls" see themselves as submissives.  I am not questioning that.  I accept that they are submissive and the use of the two separate terms is ONLY for distinguishing the differences in dynamics....subtle or great...between a daddy's girl submissive and a submissive that does not identify as a daddy's girl.***



I have a Daddy, but I am not a girl, I am submissive woman. He never calls me "girl".

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Do "daddy's girls" view punishment differently than submissives?  


I would not know, he does not punish me. He disciplines me all the time, but I am not punished. In other words he does not hit me as punishment. He may take away privileges in order to teach me (he has not ever done so yet though). He is not punitive with me.

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Are there daddy's girls involved in a "Daddy-girl" dynamic where punishment is not a part of the dynamic or, in this type of dynamic, is punishment of some sort seen as an integral part of the "Daddy-little girl" interaction?


I do not understand

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RE: Is there a difference regarding punishment re: sub... - 2/15/2007 7:55:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		As a fast reply, my take/opinion...

A submissive accepts pain from her Master if it pleases him, but this is not punishment. Punishment comes from displeasing or disobeying her Master, and though it may arouse her the attitude and tone of punishment is not a happy one meant arouse. Punishment is about learning from a mistake and being forgiven from it. Punishment is to correct bad behavior, or unacceptable behavior.

What I've noticed is that a daddy's girl accepts punishment frequently, as the reason to give pain. Pain isn't as commonly exchanged, unless as a 'punishment'. When a little girl has displeased her daddy, he will give her corner time or some other type of discipline that isn't pain related. The forgiving type of actions take place in a non pain way. Punishment is a ruse to be able to exchange pain.

If that made sense to anyone besides me, great!

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RE: Is there a difference regarding punishment re: sub... - 2/15/2007 8:31:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		punishment by a Daddy is always a part of the dynamic...a Daddy wants His girl to behave. He teaches her to do as her Daddy tells her & thats it to keep her safe...

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RE: Is there a difference regarding punishment re: sub... - 2/15/2007 8:51:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've never been punished as a little girl.  But I would imagine it would be different- being punished as an adult for disobeying adult expectations is very different than being punished as a child for disobeying that set of expectations.

Different states of mind, different goals.  The process is similar though.

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RE: Is there a difference regarding punishment re: sub... - 2/15/2007 9:24:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: curiouspet55

As a fast reply, my take/opinion...

A submissive accepts pain from her Master if it pleases him, but this is not punishment. Punishment comes from displeasing or disobeying her Master, and though it may arouse her the attitude and tone of punishment is not a happy one meant arouse. Punishment is about learning from a mistake and being forgiven from it. Punishment is to correct bad behavior, or unacceptable behavior.

What I've noticed is that a daddy's girl accepts punishment frequently, as the reason to give pain. Pain isn't as commonly exchanged, unless as a 'punishment'. When a little girl has displeased her daddy, he will give her corner time or some other type of discipline that isn't pain related. The forgiving type of actions take place in a non pain way. Punishment is a ruse to be able to exchange pain.

If that made sense to anyone besides me, great!


This may be your opinion but i don't think you will find this is the case in most Daddy/girl relationships.
 
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RE: Is there a difference regarding punishment re: sub... - 2/15/2007 9:28:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: adaddysgirl

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ORIGINAL: curiouspet55

As a fast reply, my take/opinion...

A submissive accepts pain from her Master if it pleases him, but this is not punishment. Punishment comes from displeasing or disobeying her Master, and though it may arouse her the attitude and tone of punishment is not a happy one meant arouse. Punishment is about learning from a mistake and being forgiven from it. Punishment is to correct bad behavior, or unacceptable behavior.

What I've noticed is that a daddy's girl accepts punishment frequently, as the reason to give pain. Pain isn't as commonly exchanged, unless as a 'punishment'. When a little girl has displeased her daddy, he will give her corner time or some other type of discipline that isn't pain related. The forgiving type of actions take place in a non pain way. Punishment is a ruse to be able to exchange pain.

If that made sense to anyone besides me, great!


This may be your opinion but i don't think you will find this is the case in most Daddy/girl relationships.
 
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RE: Is there a difference regarding punishment re: sub... - 2/15/2007 9:37:51 PM   
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I've never been punished as a little girl.  But I would imagine it would be different- being punished as an adult for disobeying adult expectations is very different than being punished as a child for disobeying that set of expectations.

Personally, i would have to agree with this but to throw something else in.  The Domestic Discipline 'branch' of D/s.  There is no age regression, no Daddy/lil girl dynamic....yet spanking is used as a means of punishment almost identical to the D/g dynamic.  However, they are being punished as an adult. 

Different states of mind, different goals.  The process is similar though.

i don't quite grasp why people view spanking as some alien form or punishment.  i don't know if it's that they don't understand the dynamic overall, or if they think of spanking as something always sexual or erotic...or what.  But in these types of partnerships, spanking is just a valid a tool for punishment as any others used in D/s.  i'd almost have to say...similar goal, different approach. 
 
But i do understand what you are saying here LA and do agree with the premise.
 
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