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RE: Has anyone else noticed this? - 5/12/2007 6:16:10 PM

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Well, we r speaking of bdsm here it's BAD enogh people think we are fruits as it is, now if they see this crap on tv,,, then OMG it HAS to be true.... just as some people take the NEWS on tv as Gospal... if WE as( soft core) not as bad bdsm will show as example people MAY begin to understand, there is Bad AND good to all lifestyle( Just my thoughts)

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RE: Has anyone else noticed this? - 5/12/2007 7:14:47 PM

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Well, I am going to tell you alittle bit about what might happen this time they are saying it could reveal Grissom and Sara's relationship, and that she won't have the effect of their relationship as you would assume she would. So, I can't wait to see what is going to happen.

Lady Heather was back this week...sara looked a bit deflated

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RE: Has anyone else noticed this? - 5/20/2007 11:52:00 PM

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Yes i do see that any theme in police shows are showing only the bad of BDSM themed programs but then dont police shows show the bad side in all of human nature? i think they do, i dont think they are picking on BDSM alone, but before i came accross friends that are in the Lifestyle my impresion of the whole scene was a very bad impresion because that is all you hear of, that was before i started learning, and became more enlightend, and i am not picking on people that are into the extremes, most who are with those into the extremes are there because they choose to , but there are bad people in every bunch and i dont care what group people belong to there is always bad, just as there is what i call good people in every group

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RE: Has anyone else noticed this? - 5/21/2007 1:20:25 AM

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It hasn't always been this way though, has it? Doesn't anyone remember Batman? Wasn't that kinky? I mean, you get this cop who creates this Batman persona just so he can get all dressed up in his leather gear to go out and catch criminals.Not only that, he gets a male submissive into wearing panties and pantyhose to help him. Not only that, they live together in this cave, not a woman in sight. And was there an outcry? No. They even screened this to kids.

I don't know how it was in the US, but here in the UK it appeared that years ago TV was more liberal, especially when it came to children's television. I was recently going over some old episodes of children's TV programmes and I was quite shocked.

I mean, there was Hector's House. From what I can see now it was all about a dog (Hector) with a stiff back (please don't ask how this dog got a stiff back) who was always being dommed by his two female neighbours, Mrs Frog and Mrs Cat. In one episode we see Hector in the garden being surprised by Mrs Frog.

Hector: What? Hello Mrs Frog. What are you doing here?
Mrs Frog: I've come round to see you Hector. Time for our afternoon lie down.

Then you had Magic Roundabout, which appeared to be teaching us kids all about drug culture. There was Dylan, a rabbit who played a guitar who seemed permanently stoned, Ermintrude a cow who behaved erratically and always seemed to have a poppy in her mouth, Dougal the dog who was quite Dom who constantly ate sugar cubes (no doubt laced with something) and Zebedee who used to bounce in unexpectedly and must have been on speed.

And then later you had Rainbow.. apparently for pre-school kids. There was Geoffrey the presenter, Bungle the bear (who appeared to be gay), a pink hippo called George and Zippy. Zippy was quite clearly dom and wanted his own way as much as possible, and George was just as definitely sub. The innuendo in this show was almost blatant. See for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n4iqocDXr4

I wonder if you have similar examples in the US. I guess it changed in the 1980's when everything turned PC and then in the 1990's again when the moral majority appeared to take over TV and it went mainstream.

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RE: Has anyone else noticed this? - 5/24/2007 1:45:27 PM

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There was an ER episode recently where a "do gooder" decided to rescue the femal in a D/s couple. Turns out the couple had their own website, which one of the doctors really enjoyed. I don't recall how they ended their storyline, if they did, but there wasn't an overt amount of "Eww, sick." It seemed to be a reasonably fair presentation.

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RE: Has anyone else noticed this? - 5/24/2007 3:35:33 PM

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That stuff just makes my vanilla friends call me up and start asking new questions. It makes my cell go nuts some evenings.

CSI was VERY positive and kink friendly, it also helps one of the writers is into kink {no I won't say how I know that, trust me, he is}; even vanillas venture into kink on occassion, food or bondage, or something else, they just don't 'life' what we do.

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RE: Has anyone else noticed this? - 9/6/2007 6:42:21 AM

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Yes and I've also noticed that when people say true or relivant things about politics or the state of the world they are often protrayed as crazy (think Pitts character in 12 Monkeys).

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RE: Has anyone else noticed this? - 9/6/2007 7:13:34 AM

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ORIGINAL: ericpup

Have you ever noticed on Law and Order, (and it's offshoots), NYPD Blue, and most other shows, that BDSM is always evil? It seems like when someone dies by bondage or anything that has to do with BDSM, some character is always calling the person involved with the lifestyle a "freak" or some other bullcrap.

I get a little pissed. Especially lately, when my fiancee, who is vanilla, looks at me and says something like, "See, it's bad."

TV cop shows have run out of creative ways to set the 'good guys vs. bad guys' scene with simplistic sources of dead bodies or damsels in distress.
The fact that they (and sitcoms) have seized on BDSM as fodder shows that it is in fact becoming more and more mainstream or 'normal' everyday.

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RE: Has anyone else noticed this? - 9/11/2007 12:51:53 PM

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lets see. Sex is Bad. Guns are Bad. Kink Is Bad. this is Bad, That is Bad, the Crisis of the Week is Bad. CSI is a joke, (ask anyone who actually works in the field), I have a lawyer friend who said she would be disbarred if she tried to pull half the crap in the L&O series.

mediocre at best tv shows that have a formula. that formula is titillate the viewers but don't upset Mrs Grundy.

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RE: Has anyone else noticed this? - 9/11/2007 1:41:27 PM

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ORIGINAL: valeca

CSI touched on it a few times (for those who remember the Mistress Heather episodes). I don't think they made it look evil.

Maybe it's because I think a Grissam mindfuck would be delicious?

Well said!

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RE: Has anyone else noticed this? - 9/11/2007 1:46:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: topcat

In all fairness, they also portray the resturant business, banking, insurance sales and high school field trips pretty negitivly too...

Well said.

The named shows in the OP are crime dramas after all.

And actually I disagree that BDSM is always seen as bad. In fact I've noticed that when sometimes the main actors in those shows will go to SM organizations or professionals and ask a question or two, sometimes the main actors even say things that indicate they do know the difference between rape, murder, fun and SM.

Let's not lie to ourselves. There are killers, rapists, abusers, and users out there who will promote themselves as doing SM and toss around the terms. It's a good cover for them and can help them find victims. Just because the actions or the words seem like BDSM does not mean it is BDSM.

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RE: Has anyone else noticed this? - 9/11/2007 1:50:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: ericpup

Ok, Ok, maybe I was slightly wrong. But I do love the cop shows. I make sure I tune in when they touch on BDSM or sex parties, but that's more because I'm a pervert then anything else.

How am I going to handle a vanilla fiancee? I don't really know, yet. So far I've been writing online stories, and they've helped, a little.

Grisson is cool as shit, and I'd live to serve Lady Heather.

Have you heard of the book "When Someone You Love is Kinky" -- link below.
Fox gave it to his sister and it helped them a lot get on a positive page.

http://www.amazon.com/When-Someone-You-Love-Kinky/dp/1890159239/ref=sr_1_3/105-3675104-4250825?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1189543793&sr=8-3

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RE: Has anyone else noticed this? - 9/11/2007 4:49:10 PM

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Yes its offenceive, but sometimes one has to eather laugh at themselves, or just shake their head and move on.
There was one CSI eppi, where Grisom was shifting through playboy mags, finding a bdsm one in the mix, and a comment gets tossed out there, "Thats not art."

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RE: Has anyone else noticed this? - 9/11/2007 10:34:08 PM

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Grissam.....Mmmm Yummy

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RE: Has anyone else noticed this? - 9/14/2007 9:13:28 AM

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Most Vanilla people I have met have been in one way or another interested to hear about my lifestyle, even though many of them think that sado-maschism is crazy!

On this note, I cannot help but feel that the BDSM themed episodes of shows like Law and Order and CSI are a very good way to boost a programs ratings. Anyone in the S&M scene tunes in to 'clarify' whether or not the themes within the show are consistent with their own interpretations of the BDSM lifestyle. The remainder of the more 'vanilla' viewers tune in primarily because Sado Masochism is 'intriguing' to say the least.

As mentioned previously, nobody wants to watch an episode of CSI in which a couple have consensual safe kinky sex in a controlled environment. There needs to be a provocative twist to keep the viewers coming back week after week!

Lastly, we must keep in mind that 99.9% of the time, the criminal in any of those programs is, for all intents and purposes, 'vanilla'.

Just as evil people come from all walks of life, so too are good people made up of many different aspirational, philosophical and sexual desires.

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RE: Has anyone else noticed this? - 9/18/2007 8:52:53 AM

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There's an episode of Bones where they find a body in a refrigerator and the couple who killed her were D/s Definitly not a positive light on us in that show. I still love that show though...

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RE: Has anyone else noticed this? - 9/18/2007 6:59:59 PM

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They dont phase me. personally they turn me on. but real news stories where people get in trouble for another person wanting edge play burns me. i get superpissed.

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RE: Has anyone else noticed this? - 9/21/2007 8:08:36 AM

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I've seen a few of those CSI episodes -- I'm not a faithful viewer, but Grissom and Sarah definitely caught my eye. One supposes I ought to have started inquiring about BDSM at that point, but it just never occurred to me (see my post in the Intro forum), even though I was definitely attracted to the mental game they play between themselves.

For my own part, I know that if someone had mentioned bondage or domination to me even a year ago, I would likely have been able to list any number of "humourous" or "evil" presentations of the scene in movies and T.V. shows I've seen over the years -- it seems that the kink crowd is almost always played either for laughs or horror; heck, it was considered a form of mental illness until just recently. I would imagine this type of prejudicial presentation slowed my own move towards this lifestyle a fair bit. Ah well, live and learn, right?

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RE: Has anyone else noticed this? - 9/21/2007 8:10:45 AM

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Hello & Welocme ME..First time poster...You can't really blame writers, after all the sadisitc side the lifestyle is there, very misunderstood and a very very easy target. Now that said, there are a number of stories (real-life) where people are kidnapped & tortured and for such a minute % of folks there seems to be way too much of this in the news.
The easy answer is that we are an easy target that 1) can't defend ourselves - unless we like the abusefomor the entire public, family..and being a 24/7outcast.
2) Have no real social, political movement (unless I am unaware) that can bring the lifestyle some public recognition & understanding...same as the gay rights movement, you should not be able too discriminate based on sexual orientation. (Now that's a big question..if we are not sexually based (many believe both sides) that we are not covered by this...right?)
3) We are FREAKIN scary...come on, that's part of the fun...shock of the gear. I ahve always loved it since I shaved my first mohawk, donned my leather, boots & chains at 16.
Scarily misunderstood...I've always been a nice guy...TIDREK

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RE: Has anyone else noticed this? - 9/21/2007 12:41:41 PM

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I must be missing out then, I've always liked the BDSM aspect of Family Guy

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