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stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! - 3/4/2007 12:18:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: azzmaster
stomach acids nutralize HIV virus,


This mis-information has really bothered me, so I went straight away to google and found these articles
http://www.catie.ca/tu.nsf/df739470490ae50d8525717f0061769d/5dbbbcc00a7749f5852571ca00742636!OpenDocument

http://www.thebody.com/cfa/drug_interactions.html

http://www.thebody.com/sfaf/summer05/interactions.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didanosine

What these articles say is in direct opposition to assman's information.......
Too sum it all up....
HIV meds tend to eat the wall of the stomach lining causing gastritis----> meds taken to conteract/give relief from gastritis are known as antacids ----> which, when taken, may lead to mal-absorption of medications, such as ones for HIV.

Ever noticed your antibiotic script bottle directs "do NOT take milk with this medication?"  Milk also interfers with the absorption of many antibiotics.

I had to revisit this tonight cause it was such wrong and incorrect information !!
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RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! - 3/4/2007 12:23:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		u could well b correct... i m only repeatin what i heard in our last HIV training at work n i don't know how up to date the trainers were with their data

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RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! - 3/4/2007 7:51:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hmm, It seems like the articles you linked talk about the absorption of anti-hiv drugs and your premise involes HIV itself.  From what I understand, HIV is a very weak virus a lot of things kill it (just nothing we can pump through someone to clean them out);  Outside of where it likes to be it tends to die very quickly, so I would assume stomach acid would kill it as well.

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RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! - 3/4/2007 12:16:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do agree with you on the fact that accurate info regarding HIV should be available everywhere, which is one of the reasons I am responding to this posting. My main reason is I do volunteer work for my local ADS organization to better educate people and also to keep myself updated. But in regards to stomach acid and HIV virus, according to a search on the CDC website, they state that stomach acid will kill HIV virus.
Third paragraph, second line states "Even if small amounts of HIV-infected blood were consumed, stomach acid would destroy the virus." So I will assume this applies to a people who isn't afflicted with HIV and not taking any meds.

And from my training, a person having any slight cut or abrasion inside the mouth results in a higher risk of infection from HIV during what is considered high risk sexual activity (unprotected oral sex). Though if there is new or substancial evidence to prove this wrong, then I welcome to be corrected.

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RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! - 3/4/2007 1:25:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		bearin cuffs,that was what was stated in the last HIV training we attended... but i m always open to new research

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RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! - 3/4/2007 2:19:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm a tech in a hospital lab, and we have HIV safety instruction all the time.  We have also been taught that the HIV virus is a fragile virus and pretty much dies when it comes in direct contact with surfaces such as counter tops or stomach acid.  THEORETICALLY, in a perfect world, if you have no abrasions or open sores or broken skin of any kind in the mucous membranes of the mouth, esophagus, or stomach, you could ingest the virus and the stomach acids would kill it.  Obviously you wouldn't want to do that intentionally, and would always use common sense and precautions.

But, azzmaster's original information was what I also have learned in hospital infection control education.

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RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! - 3/4/2007 4:13:20 PM   
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RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! - 3/4/2007 4:31:25 PM   
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I do agree with you on the fact that accurate info regarding HIV should be available everywhere, which is one of the reasons I am responding to this posting. My main reason is I do volunteer work for my local ADS organization to better educate people and also to keep myself updated. But in regards to stomach acid and HIV virus, according to a search on the CDC website, they state that stomach acid will kill HIV virus.
Third paragraph, second line states "Even if small amounts of HIV-infected blood were consumed, stomach acid would destroy the virus." So I will assume this applies to a people who isn't afflicted with HIV and not taking any meds.

And from my training, a person having any slight cut or abrasion inside the mouth results in a higher risk of infection from HIV during what is considered high risk sexual activity (unprotected oral sex). Though if there is new or substancial evidence to prove this wrong, then I welcome to be corrected.


It's scary how many people say they practice safe sex, engage in unprotected oral sex, and think they are being safe. It's also sad how many people get turned down by potential partners for not having a death wish.

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RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! - 3/4/2007 4:59:59 PM   
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I do agree with you on the fact that accurate info regarding HIV should be available everywhere, which is one of the reasons I am responding to this posting. My main reason is I do volunteer work for my local ADS organization to better educate people and also to keep myself updated. But in regards to stomach acid and HIV virus, according to a search on the CDC website, they state that stomach acid will kill HIV virus.
Third paragraph, second line states "Even if small amounts of HIV-infected blood were consumed, stomach acid would destroy the virus." So I will assume this applies to a people who isn't afflicted with HIV and not taking any meds.

And from my training, a person having any slight cut or abrasion inside the mouth results in a higher risk of infection from HIV during what is considered high risk sexual activity (unprotected oral sex). Though if there is new or substancial evidence to prove this wrong, then I welcome to be corrected.


please post your sources ??

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RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! - 3/4/2007 5:43:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		True  stomach acid may under right conditions destroy just about any virus. BUT, what about contact other than with the stomach such as the face, lips, nose, any outer part of the body. If  HIV was so easy to control then way is it still active in todays society and why are all medical, police and fire fighters and all medical  people using all the protection they can. Let us all be SMART  the best policy is be safe always

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RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! - 3/4/2007 6:13:01 PM   
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HIV is not an airborne or food-borne virus, and it does not live long outside the body. Even if small amounts of HIV-infected blood were consumed, stomach acid would destroy the virus.

I will apologize to every and anyone who reads this !
But I will also say that if there are ANY ~ ANY ~ open areas from the lips all the way down through ALL mucous  membranes, the potential for infection IS THERE!
 
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/transmission.htm

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/oralsexqa.htm

In regards to all those "yummy" condoms....
http://www.collarchat.com/m_868584/tm.htm
Effectiveness of Condoms
Condoms are classified as medical devices and are regulated by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Condom manufacturers in the United States test each latex condom for defects, including holes, before it is packaged. The proper and consistent use of latex or polyurethane (a type of plastic) condoms when engaging in sexual intercourse--vaginal, anal, or oral--can greatly reduce a person’s risk of acquiring or transmitting sexually transmitted diseases, including HIV infection.
There are many different types and brands of condoms available--however, only latex or polyurethane condoms provide a highly effective mechanical barrier to HIV. In laboratories, viruses occasionally have been shown to pass through natural membrane ("skin" or lambskin) condoms, which may contain natural pores and are therefore not recommended for disease prevention (they are documented to be effective for contraception). Women may wish to consider using the female condom when a male condom cannot be used.
For condoms to provide maximum protection, they must be used consistently (every time) and correctly. Several studies of correct and consistent condom use clearly show that latex condom breakage rates in this country are less than 2 percent. Even when condoms do break, one study showed that more than half of such breaks occurred prior to ejaculation.
When condoms are used reliably, they have been shown to prevent pregnancy up to 98 percent of the time among couples using them as their only method of contraception. Similarly, numerous studies among sexually active people have demonstrated that a properly used latex condom provides a high degree of protection against a variety of sexually transmitted diseases, including HIV infection.
For more detailed information about condoms, see the CDC publication "Male Latex Condoms and Sexually Transmitted Diseases."

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RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! - 3/4/2007 6:37:31 PM   
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RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! - 3/4/2007 10:51:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I apologize if I don't understand well what the discussion is all about.

It is true that gastric acidity destroys the HIV virus, but it is also true that HIV virus penetrates the upper gastric system through the mucosa of the mouth (abrasions, poor dental hygiene and repair, etc.), so please don't count on gastric acidity as a barrier for protection against HIV.

Unprotected oral and vaginal sex are safer than unprotected anal sex, because the mucosa of the latter tends to break easily thus facilitating the penetration of the virus into the bloodstream.  That is why people who practice anal sex have higher incidence of positive HIV virus, but by any means any kind of unprotected sex is totally safe.

The best deal for unprotected sex is pre-testing of both partners and monogamy.

I think that it is unfortunate if the fact that stomach acidity kills HIV virus hits the mainstream media without a proper explanation, because in the way news are portrayed nowadays, where people do not read (and sometimes do not undestrand) thoroughly, somebody might get the wrong idea that swallowing cum is completely safe when, in fact, is not.

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RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! - 3/5/2007 7:44:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		I hope no one really thinks stomach acid kills the HIV virus.... Im sure everyone here has had a stomach virus at one time or another and I would suspect that the HIV virus is alot tougher than the stomach variety which is not effected by stomach acid.

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RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! - 3/5/2007 8:26:05 AM   
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I hope no one really thinks stomach acid kills the HIV virus.... Im sure everyone here has had a stomach virus at one time or another and I would suspect that the HIV virus is alot tougher than the stomach variety which is not effected by stomach acid.


As mentioned previously, HIV is actually a very weak virus.  If it was more hardy it would probably be much more contangious as it would beable to live outside of it's normal habitat for longer periods of time.

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RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! - 3/5/2007 8:26:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		GO TO REPUTABLE SOURCES!!!  I do this for a living.  You must go to a peer MD edited medical web site with good information or ask your doctor directly.  HYDROCHLORIC ACID OF THE STOMACH WILL NOT KILL HIV.  Oral sex (both eating pussy and sucking cock) have been proven routes of HIV transmission.  To important of a topic to fuck around.

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RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! - 3/5/2007 8:40:02 AM   
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GO TO REPUTABLE SOURCES!!!  I do this for a living.  You must go to a peer MD edited medical web site with good information or ask your doctor directly.  HYDROCHLORIC ACID OF THE STOMACH WILL NOT KILL HIV.  Oral sex (both eating pussy and sucking cock) have been proven routes of HIV transmission.  To important of a topic to fuck around.


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RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! - 3/5/2007 9:47:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is a big difference between what works, or appears to work, initially in the lab, and what is practical in reality.

For instance, I know for a fact that a local drug company ( a big one, I live in Indy, so I'll let you do the math) was doing some early investigations into HIV treatments. The lab was abuzz when it looked like they had found a breakthrough, a total cesation of viral reproduction. What caused it? Lemon extract. Wow, everyone thought, there it is, the cure and it was right under our noses the entire time. Well... it didn't pan out, for a number of reasons, not the least of which was the quantity of lemon extract required. To be effective in a patient with a 'normal' viral load, you would have needed something like a quarter ton of lemon extract... an obviously lethal dose.

So, yeah, stomach acid may, in the lab, be effective. But in the real world . . .

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RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! - 3/5/2007 11:51:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Royalton

I apologize if I don't understand well what the discussion is all about.

It is true that gastric acidity destroys the HIV virus, but it is also true that HIV virus penetrates the upper gastric system through the mucosa of the mouth (abrasions, poor dental hygiene and repair, etc.), so please don't count on gastric acidity as a barrier for protection against HIV.

Unprotected oral and vaginal sex are safer than unprotected anal sex, because the mucosa of the latter tends to break easily thus facilitating the penetration of the virus into the bloodstream.  That is why people who practice anal sex have higher incidence of positive HIV virus, but by any means any kind of unprotected sex is totally safe.

The best deal for unprotected sex is pre-testing of both partners and monogamy.

I think that it is unfortunate if the fact that stomach acidity kills HIV virus hits the mainstream media without a proper explanation, because in the way news are portrayed nowadays, where people do not read (and sometimes do not undestrand) thoroughly, somebody might get the wrong idea that swallowing cum is completely safe when, in fact, is not.


YES YES YES, tis what i was trying to say........thank you

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RE: stomach acids nutralize HIV virus ---> wtf!! - 3/9/2007 12:24:44 AM   
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>Oral sex (both eating pussy and sucking cock) have been proven routes of HIV transmission.

I believe that very few cases of HIV infection have been reliably documented as occuring through oral sex (perhaps a handful, though I could be wrong, where fellatio is concerned, and none for cunnilingus). In fact, most ID specialists that I have spoken to are laboring under the impression that unprotected oral sex is not a high risk activity, as seemingly confirmed in controlled studies.

The study that comes immediately to mind is the one conducted in Spain. The study participants, a group of serodiscordant couples (one is HIV+ and the other is HIV-), were tracked over a period of time and periodically HIV tested to determine the relative level of risk involved in certain sexual practices. Over the course of the study, the particpants engaged in approximately 19,000 instances of oral sex. Of those participants that reported using condoms for sex, but having unprotected oral sex (both cunnulingus and fellatio), none of the study participants later tested HIV positive. Another study that comes to mind was conducted in San Francisco, the study particpants of which were homosexual men in serodiscordant pairings with other homosexual or bi-sexual partners. Of the study participants who reported engaging in unprotected oral, in some cases swallowing ejaculate, none eventually went on to seroconvert at the conclusion of the study.

Risks associated with oral sex are mostly talked about in theoretical terms. In other words, there is a "theoretical risk" that HIV is indeed transmissable during oral sex. This is different than saying that HIV is a documented risk in terms of oral sex. Certainly, some surveys of those newly diagnosed as HIV positive have suggested that oral sex was the primary means of HIV infection for some, however, the accuracy of such data is often called into question due to the self reporting nature of such surveys. In other words, the results, reported by the participants themselves without corroborating evidence, are deemed unreliable.

Of course, it seems logical to say that oral sex is indeed a risk for HIV transmission, though most IDs would not recommend getting an HIV test based on only an unprotected oral sex encounter. The simple fact of the matter is that if it has happened, it does not seem to happen very often at all. Add to this the fact that HIV is indeed a very fragile virus, as has been stated in earlier posts, and that saliva based enzymes seem to exhibit anti-HIV properties, and perhaps that is the reason why. Of course, no one seems to know with any certainty, least of all me, as I am certainly not an HIV epidemiology expert.

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