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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 10:04:39 PM   
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Muahahhahhaahhha!

On uR neez Bithc!

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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 10:07:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FukinTroll

Muahahhahhaahhha!

On uR neez Bithc!


Nuuu!!! I refuse to submit to netspeak! NEVARORZ!11!!!11!!!

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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 10:09:38 PM   
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Don't make me get all "anal" on you!

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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 10:16:55 PM   
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Are you going to use lube? Cause otherwise it's against my hard limits...


The lube must also pass various tests. It must be strawberry flavored with a medium density. Otherwise it also violates my hard limits.

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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 10:17:43 PM   
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Just start sucking your tongue you hussy, thats the only lube you get!

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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 10:19:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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LOL he sends you to bed Aqua but has no problem keeping me up so late last night with his silly antics that I nearly missed my first class this morning because I couldnt wake up!!

Evil Evil Troll!!!

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I've had the same problem with the forums! I just don't want to go away! I'm on the forums talking with awesome people and the bed is just calling to me, going "Aqua.... Aqua... I'm so soft and warm... you know you want to snuggle down under the covers!" but the forums are being so entertaining that it's an uphill battle.

All I can say is thank goodness Valyraen moved in. He has no problem shutting off my computer and dragging my butt into bed.


LOL Master did send me to bed.... with a worning if I missed class today that I would be makeing up the 50 minut class I missed but he would be the teacher and I wouldnt like the way he taught class... I stayed up a little later and it was a gamble im just real lucky I was able to make it on time to class!!!

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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 10:21:18 PM   
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oh and check your mail aqua

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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 10:31:31 PM   
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Awww.... *sniffles*


Valyraen also instructs me to say that he is still waiting for his challenge.

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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 10:32:39 PM   
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I'm working on it. I have to go West first I think.

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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 10:32:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave


LOL Master did send me to bed.... with a worning if I missed class today that I would be makeing up the 50 minut class I missed but he would be the teacher and I wouldnt like the way he taught class... I stayed up a little later and it was a gamble im just real lucky I was able to make it on time to class!!!

Magik's slave


Honestly, I'm very scared to think about Valyraen doing that. Sometimes I'm glad he doesn't check the forums often.  Athough he does read just about everything I post. *covers the screen innocently*

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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 10:35:08 PM   
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He says he can wait. Gives him more time to sharpen his sword.

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RE: Just a comment - 3/5/2007 10:36:58 PM   
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LOL Master reads though he doesnt post much.
And It is a very very scary thought in deed and I dont think I could take 50 minuts of Master most evil antics!!!
I wouldnt be sitting for my next class's and forget beeing comfertable in a bra any time soon ((shivers)) Oh yes cognative psyc at 9am is by far the less of the 2 evils!!!!!!!

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RE: Just a comment - 3/6/2007 5:25:09 AM   
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If a "Master" is abusive, they don't fit the commonly accepted definition of a Master. True Masters are not abusive. They don't treat slaves as objects. It goes both ways.

The question is what does it mean to be called a slave in a BDSM Master/slave relationship. If you want limits, then it would be appropriate to call yourself a submissive but not a slave. Why is the word slave so important? Is there an issue with being called a submissive? The commonly understood dynamic of a Master/slave relationship is that the slave has no rights. They hand over total control, by choice, to another. If they make poor or uninformed choices of a Master, does that mean that they can change the definition of what a slave is? I don't think so. If you were a slave in a previous relationship and it didn't work out because the person that you handed total control over to became abusive, is that relavent to the definition of a Master/slave relationship? A Master is supposed to make decision based on their slave's interest. Mistakes can be made but intent should be true to what's expected of a Master.  If a Master is abusive, they are not adhereing to the commonly accepted definition of a Master/slave relationship so they should not be characterized as such. It's a perversion of the relationship and, in and of itself, is grounds for the person in the slave role to assert their freedom and nulify the relationship.

As far as standards go, of course a slave can have a list of qualities that they look for in a Master. A slave should not give control over to a Master until they have gotten to know the Master well enough to know what they are getting into. If the Master hides their true self, they are liars and dishonest and should be treated as the dishonorable person that they are. But a slave has the responsibility not to rush into things and get carried away with excitment and make rash decisions.

Of course a slave is a person and should be treated as such. A slave is more than a object that is used for some perverse self pleasure with no regard to the slave's needs. A slave hands over total control because that's what they need and desire in a relationship. However, as with any relationship, a foundation of trust is critical. If a Master's actions erodes a slave's trust, you have a problem in the relationship that needs to be addressed or the relationship should end. After all, a slave hands over control so that a person that they trust and respect can make better life choices than they believe they can make themselves.  Ideally, the slave can gain a sense of relief from responsibility for making decisions that they are not comfortable making as well as satisfaction at being able to be their true self. 

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RE: Just a comment - 3/6/2007 5:45:49 AM   
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izzybella,

There's no need to use your hateful language. I'm discussing my personal understanding of a Master and slave. I am not trying to impose my take on this on others at all. I'm simply stating what my understanding is. I didn't create this definition nor do I insist that other abide by it. In a civil society, you need to be able to discuss topics with people that disagree with you without making personal attacks that are unwarranted and misdirected. I understand your frustration and displeasure with men on this site disregarding the information in your profile and am disgusted by some of the messages you received. However, don't let that prejudice your opinion of all men. I mean no disrespect to you or anyone else on this site when I post an answer to a question. In fact, I am not even saying that they are how I define a relationship or are what I'm looking for in a partner. I'm stating what I believe to be the most commonly held understanding of this type of relationship so personally attacking me based on a common definition of the word slave is misreading my posts and inferring something that isn't there.  

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RE: Just a comment - 3/6/2007 6:06:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FORCEFULL11229

As a Lifestyle Dom in the life for over 25 years, it still amazes me to read the various ads from females who claim that they are slaves, but yet in thier ads they dictate what they will and wont do. How they expect the "Master" to behave.
Funny, I always thought a slave does as the Master wishes, not the other way around. I also understand that the Master always has the slaves welfare at heart, making sure that no harm befalls her.

Melissa expects me to behave in a certain way. She expects me to be respectful of her feelings; she expects me to always be there for her. She expects these things because they were promised to her from the very beginning. Her expectations do not make her less of a slave or I less her Master; they enhance our relationship.
 
Slaves are people; they have feelings, they have wants, they have needs, they have dreams. It's unrealistic to expect THEM to not voice such things; and it's damaging to think that their expectations should not be met.
 
Personally, I would prefer that my girl have realistic and healthy limitations and expectations about what she wants from this relationship and from me. To accept otherwise does nothing more than destroy the person you are with.

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RE: Just a comment - 3/6/2007 7:01:10 AM   
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The problem with using a 'common definition of the word slave' is:  there isn't one.  Not as it relates to BDSM.  That's why we see the 'what is a slave?' and 'what is a sub?' threads so often.

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After all, a slave hands over control so that a person that they trust and respect can make better life choices than they believe they can make themselves.


Where are you getting this information?  I believe (and have demonstrated) that I can make my own positive life choices.  I haven't given control to Loraith because I believe He can run my life better than I can.    He enhances my life, and I'm happier for Him being in it, but should the unthinkable happen, I'd be more than capable of running my own affairs and taking care of myself, and our family, just fine.

< Message edited by valeca -- 3/6/2007 7:02:01 AM >


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RE: Just a comment - 3/6/2007 7:06:01 AM   
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The problem with using a 'common definition of the word slave' is:  there isn't one.  Not as it relates to BDSM.  That's why we see the 'what is a slave?' and 'what is a sub?' threads so often.

quote:

After all, a slave hands over control so that a person that they trust and respect can make better life choices than they believe they can make themselves.


Where are you getting this information?  I believe (and have demonstrated) that I can make my own positive life choices.  I haven't given control to Loraith because I believe He can run my life better than I can.    He enhances my life, and I'm happier for Him being in it, but should the unthinkable happen, I'd be more than capable of running my own affairs and taking care of myself, and our family, just fine.


*edited to remove possible hijack. Sorry*

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RE: Just a comment - 3/6/2007 7:08:43 AM   
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A slave is more than a object that is used for some perverse self pleasure with no regard to the slave's needs


Speak for yourself please...

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RE: Just a comment - 3/6/2007 7:43:05 AM   
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The problem with using a 'common definition of the word slave' is:  there isn't one.  Not as it relates to BDSM.  That's why we see the 'what is a slave?' and 'what is a sub?' threads so often.


Actually valeca, that's wrong.  There are indeed definitions...Devon, Miller, Wiseman have definitions in their books and John Warren...yes, the John Warren from this site...has written thoroughly about BDSM...including BDSM slaves...in his book.

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After all, a slave hands over control so that a person that they trust and respect can make better life choices than they believe they can make themselves.


Where are you getting this information?  I believe (and have demonstrated) that I can make my own positive life choices.  I haven't given control to Loraith because I believe He can run my life better than I can.    He enhances my life, and I'm happier for Him being in it, but should the unthinkable happen, I'd be more than capable of running my own affairs and taking care of myself, and our family, just fine.


I can't argue with you on this point because I happen to agree with you...many slaves can run their own lives in a perfectly capable manner and give over total control to another of their own volition because they want to...not because they harbor any belief that the master/mistress they hand control over to can run their lives better. 


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RE: Just a comment - 3/6/2007 8:16:14 AM   
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Perhaps we should tag team him in email?  Somehow, I think he would enjoy that, Aine!

Just watch out for your feet...

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