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how far can you go with fisting? - 3/10/2007 11:31:28 AM

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I wondered if any expert fisters/fistees could help me with a bit of information regarding this.
Its something I have recently started allowing my boy to do for me and I love it. Ive had no problems at all with any kind of bleeding or tearing etc its all been fine. My question is though, how far can you actually push someones fist/ wrist/ lower arm ? in our last session we got well past the wrist by about 2 inches ! And i felt quite happy for more(im greedy and it feels so fucking good !) But will that cause damage?
Thanks in advance for any replies

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RE: how far can you go with fisting? - 3/10/2007 12:42:07 PM

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That depends entirely upon in which orifice you're being fisted.

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RE: how far can you go with fisting? - 3/10/2007 1:15:40 PM

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Sorry i should of said

oops vaginal .

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RE: how far can you go with fisting? - 3/10/2007 1:31:20 PM

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You may want to get the book A Hand in the Bush: The Fine Art of Vaginal Fisting. It talks about the dangers and techniques of vaginal fisting. There is nothing like a good fisting! I'll tell you, it is the best way to deal with menstrual cramps. The first day of a period, a good fisting helps draw stuff out, making the rest of the period shorter and lighter. (Sorry if that squicked anyone.)

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RE: how far can you go with fisting? - 3/10/2007 1:49:40 PM

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Thanks I will look out for that !!!
I love your web page by the way with all the pictures on :)

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RE: how far can you go with fisting? - 3/10/2007 4:16:48 PM

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The vagina is a remarkably stretchy orifice, and the one fisting you will feel the back wall of it with his hand. Your vagina may be deeper or longer than mine is, but my guess that you could go as far as the vagina will allow.

If he is reaching the back of the vagina and continues to push, I don't doubt that you could do damage. What I do not know is whether you would feel pain when it reached the damage point, or if you could do the damage unknowing.

Happy fisting! (One of my favorite things!)
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RE: how far can you go with fisting? - 3/10/2007 5:21:11 PM

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You may want to change tactics slightly when you're trying it for the first time.

Everyone is different , people have differennt sized hands and vaginas. And the belly around the Vagina can provide extra reinforcing or otherwise.

In short don't follow a script written by someone else. Get blindfolded and earplugged on your hands and knees and listen to what your vagina Is telling you. Do not tell it what it Should be feeling, as that method is a quick way to wind up paying for your Gyno's next boat.

Take it slow the first time, as when you get aroused, wet and swollen you can take things there that leave you unable to sit down quickly for a week. Yes that's kind of a goal, but don't push it to hard the first time.

And finally, to find out what your vagina is capable of, dont just lie there and take pot luck, get the fister to hold their fist still except for some jiggling and rotation, and push yourself on to it gradually. Since they aren't moving you can can push it all the way up to your limit without worrying about that extra little bit too much.

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RE: how far can you go with fisting? - 3/10/2007 6:54:18 PM

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love when my mistress fists me anally ...so far i can take just past her wrist once im nice and relaxed with her inside of me ...just wondering anally how far can a person go ? call me crazy but it does feel good ...usually she starts with a 10 in strapon and then her fist ...great way to submit to a lady and her desires i do believe ...have fun ...mal

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RE: how far can you go with fisting? - 3/10/2007 7:13:08 PM

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I have had a lot of experience being fisted vaginally, can't say as it has done any damage. I have even had someone put their finger in my cervix....a very odd feeling. I have had a hand in as far as a few inches up the lower arm....not really sure how far because i normally become rather distracted at that point.

For the anal fisting....i have never had it done to me...but i do anally fist a guy.....and He positively LOVES it....says there is nothing like my hand massaging the prostate. My arm has been halfway "consumed" at times, 10-12 inches or more.....but with that, it was a matter of letting His body pull it in as it could handle....
I know a lot of guys that say "NO WAY IN HELL".....i just tell them....don't knock it til you try it.....

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RE: how far can you go with fisting? - 3/10/2007 8:45:02 PM

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I know a gay man who has had the rare delight of having fisted someone up to the elbow. You learn what you are doing, don't try to force it, and do it with a partner you trust. I recommend reading gay men's sex manuals and such for more information about anal fisting.

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RE: how far can you go with fisting? - 3/10/2007 8:47:46 PM

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:D thanks every one!!!!
Im certainly going to pass on the anal fisting tho lol

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RE: how far can you go with fisting? - 3/11/2007 7:41:11 AM

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I have even had someone put their finger in my cervix....a very odd feeling.

The experts generally advise against that. If you are not feeling any pain then the likelihood of doing mechanical damage is small but the cervix should be avoided due to risk of infection.

The vagina is designed to accomodate a certain amount of "dirt" and has it's own natural flora to compete with invading bacteria along with other defenses such as controled pH. Things that go in should be clean but they don't need to be sterile.
Same for asses.

But the cervix is designed to remain closed and protected from the outside and has very poor defense against bacteria. In medicine any time the cervix is dialated or entered, sterile technique is used. this means using a speculum so that the probe or swab entering the cervix is not allowed even to touch the inside of the vagina where it might pick up bugs and thus grant them passage into the cervix. It's impossible to achieve such sterility in a fisting situation and so entering the cervix, or even stimulating the cervical head to dialation is risky behavior. PID can be caused by otherwise subclinical infections or even normally non-pathological organisms somehow finding their way into the cervix. PID is not entertaining. I'm sure some people do it without having a problem, same for urethras. Some people stik all sorts of non-sterile things in urethras and get lucky by not getting a bladder infection (or worse, a kidney infection!) but that's kinda like drunk driving. Lot's of people do it without consequences but it's still not a good idea.

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RE: how far can you go with fisting? - 3/11/2007 9:54:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: SirHedonicsslave
I have even had someone put their finger in my cervix....a very odd feeling.

The cervix is usually the limiting factor in how far a person's hand can move during fisting. The location of the cervix can move about related to a woman's cycle and may be farther down than at other times. While SirHedonicsslave comment is true, what WayHome says is also true, however I'll say that it is impossible (consensually) to enter the cervical canal. But a multiparous (has had a child delivered though the cervix) os (the os is the opening from the tip of the cervix to leading into the uterus) is no longer a simple narrow dimple, rather it often develops a "fishmouth" shape. When this occurs it may feel to both the receiver and giver that the finger enters the cervix though what it is doing is entering the funnel shaped modified opening leading to the cervical canal. Some women enjoy this through digital stroking, and pressing (though one should never try force) and others enjoy this (or hate this) when the logistics are such that the male's penis hits the cervix repeatedly. Some perceive this as pain, some perceive this as not-pain and find it erotically exciting.

The cervical canal is usually filled with mucus. It may be filled with menstual material during menses. Sperm can swim though the mucus so in effect the canal is open to them, but bacteria run into auto-immune components and are attacked. As WayHome stated intra-uterine procedures (such as fertility insemination) utilize sterile procedures due to risk of infection. To give you an idea how difficult and sensitive the cervical canal actually is consider this: Often a very narrow sterile bamboo rod (perhaps few millimeters wide) is inserted into the cervical canal. The woman leaves, and the next day returns for the procedure. The bamboo rod has doubled in diameter over the past 12 hours now giving an opening making intra-uterine fertilization devices access. If it takes 12 hours to painlessly dilate the canal by a few millimeters I suspect a finger won't fare too well trying to pentrate the actual canal. For a picture of a nulliparous cervix see:

http(removeme)://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/FEMHTML/FEM002.html

canupleaseme's question as to how far can one go:

As far as is comfortable. Women who have had their cervix removed can probably take a fist deeper. Women with prolapsed uterus will likely not be quite as deep, and in some cases the cervix to vaginal opening can be quite short. Gentle pressure against the cervix can be perceived as amazingly stimulating by some. I believe that this pressure triggers oxytocin release, essentially fooling the body into beleiving that the mother is giving birth. This is simply my hypothesis and I cannot prove it. But if this is true, and since oxytocin is a bonding hormone, the fistee will develop a chemical bond to the fister over time for it is oxytocin that bonds the mother and child

canuplease me states: "in our last session we got well past the wrist by about 2 inches ! And i felt quite happy for more(im greedy and it feels so fucking good !) But will that cause damage?"

I like this statement because it relates to us here. The prime role of the dominant is to be protective. I believe that the prime role of the dominant in fisting is to make sure that the woman does not lose touch with reality and become too agressive. In my experience it is quite common to find a woman say, as canupleaseme said: "i'm greedy." Pain and pleasure become routinely mixed up in this realm but to have pain feel as pleasure when the pain is indicative of cervical damage could be tragic. So I think "slow and easy," and try things incrementally. Fisting is, I believe, the most intimate and emotional act that a couple can perform together.

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RE: how far can you go with fisting? - 3/11/2007 1:36:01 PM

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Since my area down there is small I have talked to a Gyno and they said that the hornier you get the more the vaginal canal will lengthen therefore making more room so if you want more I suggest getting as horny as possible before you begin. Just a thought.

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RE: how far can you go with fisting? - 3/11/2007 4:39:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: NightWindWhisper
..., however I'll say that it is impossible (consensually) to enter the cervical canal.

Never say impossible :-)
There are plenty of people who say it's impossible to put a fist in a vagina or ass without pain or tearing. Still more who say it's impossible to get half a forearm in. It is generally considered impossible to "consetually" insert a fist into a rectum without sedation and muscle relaxers in a clinical environment. But this is not a clinical environment and the right mood lighting and sweet talk can work wonders ;-)

You don't have to actually enter the uterus to create infection issues, dialating the outer portion and depositing bacteria there is enough to be a substantial risk. PID is usually caused by an STD or other bug finding it's way up there and it's best not to lend them aid.

You mentioned pain and pleasure mixing which is another issue to consider. Fisting shouldn't hurt (OK one shouldn't use the word "shouldn't" on this type of forum but there ya go). I'm all about inflicting pain in many ways but this is not one of them. In this case it really should be about pleasure for both parties which is why some proponents will say fisting isn't really even a BDSM activity. In this case pain is your safety net and you should never push past pain. if you simply have to have pain in your play, smack her on the ass with the other hand ;-)

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RE: how far can you go with fisting? - 3/11/2007 5:05:25 PM

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ORIGINAL: malloves69

love when my mistress fists me anally ...so far i can take just past her wrist once im nice and relaxed with her inside of me ...just wondering anally how far can a person go ? call me crazy but it does feel good ...usually she starts with a 10 in strapon and then her fist ...great way to submit to a lady and her desires i do believe ...have fun ...mal

I haven't beenable to take the width of a fist, but I can take a dildo up to 18 inches (maybe more if I had a longer one...). I've seen some videos of people taking a fist up to 3/4s of an arm, I'm not really sure how though as the colon makes a big upside down U with some rather sharp turns so I'd think lack of flexibility would inhibit it.

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RE: how far can you go with fisting? - 3/11/2007 5:52:24 PM

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Ive seen quite a few gay porn films that my best mate used to think he could shock me with lol And I have seen how far anally they can go. I can't imagine it . I bet to be able to do that takes a lot of hard work, trust and poppers!!!

Fisting is definatly not something i would do if it was painful thats not my thing. Im just glad we have done it right and had no misfortune so far !! Its definatly one of my favorite things too

Nightwindwhipser your reply was really informative thankyou. I thin i supportthe theory about the chemical release. Ive had some bloody good orgasms in my time but when we do that god!! I cant move or do anything and it makes me go very soppy and i dont leave his side for ages after I get completely lost in him. Very similar to seeing my UM when born and feeling lost in love with them. Im going to take a look at the link now you posted.

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RE: how far can you go with fisting? - 3/14/2007 2:55:56 AM

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ORIGINAL: zindyslave

Since my area down there is small I have talked to a Gyno and they said that the hornier you get the more the vaginal canal will lengthen therefore making more room so if you want more I suggest getting as horny as possible before you begin. Just a thought.

So right you are zindy =) And the hornier and the more you want it, the easier it will be too

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