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RE: "Chiquita to pay $25 million fine in terror ca... - 3/15/2007 12:18:00 PM   
thompsonx


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I used "hired" in the rhetorical sense...

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Yeah I know....welcome back
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RE: "Chiquita to pay $25 million fine in terror ca... - 3/15/2007 12:32:04 PM   
popeye1250


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Status: offline 		Couldn't we get bananas from the Philipines instead?
I don't want to be supporting Narco kleptocracies.
"Eat a banana, support a terrorist."
Besides "lettuce" that's another thing I could live without.

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RE: "Chiquita to pay $25 million fine in terror ca... - 3/15/2007 12:41:23 PM   
SimplyMichael


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Stop buying oil or voting Republican and that will go a lot farther toward stopping terrorists. 

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RE: "Chiquita to pay $25 million fine in terror ca... - 3/15/2007 2:34:03 PM   
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RE: "Chiquita to pay $25 million fine in terror ca... - 3/15/2007 7:04:35 PM   
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popeye,

Stop buying oil or voting Republican and that will go a lot farther toward stopping terrorists. 


I don't vote Republican.
I'm an Independant.
I'd like to see Lou Dobbs run for President.

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RE: "Chiquita to pay $25 million fine in terror ca... - 3/15/2007 7:16:01 PM   
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2 comments

1 - I always thought that Chiquita meant peel and eat    -    could be wrong tho

2 - Not meant to defend Chiquita but only to try and understand a corrupt system.  My experience overseas has taught me that many many companies (most in fact) pay protection money to whomever is in power and threatens them.   Failure to pay costs them in resources (lives, materials, supplies, etc.).  Sorta like we see on TV where gang warlords take protection money from small buisness or they suddenly burn down or get blown up.  The system is corrupt, but failure to pay may and probably will cost lives.  What is the price for them?


Easy solution to that!
You just get all the terrorists together like at a party or something and kill them all. Bury the bodies.
Or, you tell them to come get their money and if only 3 show up you wack them and three more etc.
Any questions by the terrorists you say the others took the money and ran.
Then when they come for the money you wack them.
Problem solved.


Why the fuck is it my responsibility to clean up the corruption inherent in African or South American countries?

Dont I have enough to do already?

Sinergy

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RE: "Chiquita to pay $25 million fine in terror ca... - 3/15/2007 7:20:12 PM   
Sinergy


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In the good old days they just hired the US Marines to do their protection racket but right now Bush has them busy working for the Israelis and Exxon.



Hate to say this, SimplyMichael, but one of the expected outcomes of Bush wandering around in the desert for 4 years is the destruction of Isreal.

When Jordan falls to Shiite fundamentalists, shortly after Iraq falls to Shiite fundamentalists, shortly after the United States goes bankrupt paying for our army in Iraq, Isreal will have their longest land border on a country with a population with a historical antipathy to their existence.

The United States has shot it's wad in Iraq.  You expect these US to fight to preserve Isreal?

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RE: "Chiquita to pay $25 million fine in terror ca... - 3/15/2007 7:27:37 PM   
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I wonder why a Corporation gets to support terrorists, and not be judicially dissolved, and their assets seized?

The top management, those who made the decision, should be subject to criminal prosecution. If, however, you dissolve the company and seize it's assets the only thing you really accomplish is to put a lot of people -- people who had no say in the decisions -- out of work.

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RE: "Chiquita to pay $25 million fine in terror ca... - 3/15/2007 7:41:41 PM   
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We would still eat just as many bananas.  So either the government would run the banana business, as effieciently as all government works (hire 4x more people) or someone else buys it.

Either way, jobs are maintained.

Yours,


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RE: "Chiquita to pay $25 million fine in terror ca... - 3/15/2007 8:01:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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I wonder why a Corporation gets to support terrorists, and not be judicially dissolved, and their assets seized?

The top management, those who made the decision, should be subject to criminal prosecution. If, however, you dissolve the company and seize it's assets the only thing you really accomplish is to put a lot of people -- people who had no say in the decisions -- out of work.

Marl2b:
I do not think it has to be an either or sort of thing.  The article that started this thread states that Chiquita sold its banana operation...the possible options would have been to sieze the corportion and jail the responsible parties and sell off the assets.  I am not talking about selling off nuts and bolts so to speak but the whole corporation or its different subsidiaries...just as Chiquita has done with their banana operation.  This would not put anyone out of a job except the executives who were involved in criminal activities.
The greater question as to why no one is doing jail time is the very structure of the corporation which shields the responsible parties from liability, both civil and criminal.  If corporations were illegal then the responsible parties would be in the slammer...if this were a company or a partnership or any other sort of business enterprise except a corporation the culprits would go to jail.
The corporation is caught in a trap of its own making.  They have gone to a foriegn country and were  taking advantage of one of their nautral resources (agriculture).  When thugs,  both licensed and unlicensed, (read government and non government) try to extort money from them for what ever reason they used to be able to rely on the marines to protect them.  As General Smedley Butler USMC, MOH corectly pointed out in his book "War is a Racket"  these corporations should be paying their own security forces to protect their interests.  They admit to paying something on the order of a quarter of a million a year for protection.  I do not know how much professional muscle cost in Columbia but professional muscle in Iraq is going for about $100,000 per year.  So it is pretty obvious that paying extortion is cheaper than hiring your own professional security force.  Security is a cost of doing business and as long as they had the marines for free or a relatively light extortion payment one can see why they did what they did.  It would seem that the patriot act is a double edge sword that many did not envision.
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RE: "Chiquita to pay $25 million fine in terror ca... - 3/15/2007 8:05:26 PM   
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The neocon-Israeli connection is quite odd.   Have her google Dominionism and PNAC for you.  There are people like Richard Pearle who are pro-Israel and there are others who want to push the middle east into a nuclear war because that will bring on Armageddon.

As they say, politics make strange bedfellows and few are weirder than this.

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RE: "Chiquita to pay $25 million fine in terror ca... - 3/15/2007 8:05:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

quote:

I wonder why a Corporation gets to support terrorists, and not be judicially dissolved, and their assets seized?

The top management, those who made the decision, should be subject to criminal prosecution. If, however, you dissolve the company and seize it's assets the only thing you really accomplish is to put a lot of people -- people who had no say in the decisions -- out of work.


Tough Fucking Shit.

Maybe if there's the threat of reprecussions of that magnitude, one of his lickspittles would have ratted him out earlier.

You don't cry for the dependent children of the guy who was setup by a FBI Rat, do you?



< Message edited by farglebargle -- 3/15/2007 8:06:37 PM >

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RE: "Chiquita to pay $25 million fine in terror ca... - 3/15/2007 8:13:37 PM   
Sinergy


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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Sinergy,

The neocon-Israeli connection is quite odd.   Have her google Dominionism and PNAC for you.  There are people like Richard Pearle who are pro-Israel and there are others who want to push the middle east into a nuclear war because that will bring on Armageddon.

As they say, politics make strange bedfellows and few are weirder than this.


The issue is not the neocon-Isreali connection.

The issue is the impending destruction of Isreal by Shia muslims and the inability of the United States to prevent it, as they have historically.

Sinergy

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RE: "Chiquita to pay $25 million fine in terror ca... - 3/15/2007 8:19:06 PM   
thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey

2 comments

1 - I always thought that Chiquita meant peel and eat    -    could be wrong tho

2 - Not meant to defend Chiquita but only to try and understand a corrupt system.  My experience overseas has taught me that many many companies (most in fact) pay protection money to whomever is in power and threatens them.   Failure to pay costs them in resources (lives, materials, supplies, etc.).  Sorta like we see on TV where gang warlords take protection money from small buisness or they suddenly burn down or get blown up.  The system is corrupt, but failure to pay may and probably will cost lives.  What is the price for them?


Easy solution to that!
You just get all the terrorists together like at a party or something and kill them all. Bury the bodies.
Or, you tell them to come get their money and if only 3 show up you wack them and three more etc.
Any questions by the terrorists you say the others took the money and ran.
Then when they come for the money you wack them.
Problem solved.


Why the fuck is it my responsibility to clean up the corruption inherent in African or South American countries?

Dont I have enough to do already?

Sinergy

Sinergy:
Is corruption not inherant in the U.S. also?
thompson

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RE: "Chiquita to pay $25 million fine in terror ca... - 3/15/2007 8:19:44 PM   
domiguy


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Status: offline 		The real issue is that bananas taste better and diamonds shine brighter when a loss human life and dignity results in that product making it into your hands...

Sometimes when I bite into a banana I can taste the death...It's delicious!.

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RE: "Chiquita to pay $25 million fine in terror ca... - 3/15/2007 8:24:32 PM   
Sinergy


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinergy

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey

2 comments

1 - I always thought that Chiquita meant peel and eat    -    could be wrong tho

2 - Not meant to defend Chiquita but only to try and understand a corrupt system.  My experience overseas has taught me that many many companies (most in fact) pay protection money to whomever is in power and threatens them.   Failure to pay costs them in resources (lives, materials, supplies, etc.).  Sorta like we see on TV where gang warlords take protection money from small buisness or they suddenly burn down or get blown up.  The system is corrupt, but failure to pay may and probably will cost lives.  What is the price for them?


Easy solution to that!
You just get all the terrorists together like at a party or something and kill them all. Bury the bodies.
Or, you tell them to come get their money and if only 3 show up you wack them and three more etc.
Any questions by the terrorists you say the others took the money and ran.
Then when they come for the money you wack them.
Problem solved.


Why the fuck is it my responsibility to clean up the corruption inherent in African or South American countries?

Dont I have enough to do already?

Sinergy

Sinergy:
Is corruption not inherant in the U.S. also?
thompson


No disagreement here.

My question was "Is this also my responsibility to fix?"

Sinergy

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RE: "Chiquita to pay $25 million fine in terror ca... - 3/15/2007 8:28:43 PM   
thompsonx


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Of course it is...that is why you get the big bux and the corner office.
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RE: "Chiquita to pay $25 million fine in terror ca... - 3/15/2007 10:05:56 PM   
Sinergy


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Sinergy:
Of course it is...that is why you get the big bux and the corner office.
thompson


Big bucks and corner office?  Im a union longshoreman.

I have not been in an office in years.  Today I drove a forklift and carried bundles of newsprint from a ship to a place in a warehouse.

I can make a phone call and stay home sleeping in tomorrow and nobody cares.

Life is good.

Sinergy

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RE: "Chiquita to pay $25 million fine in terror ca... - 3/15/2007 10:35:33 PM   
thompsonx


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No lettuce or bananas for you!  What about your potassium and
roughage?  A man cannot live by meat alone! 

Vendaval:
You are absolutely right ...we also need sex, chocolate and wine.
thompson

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RE: "Chiquita to pay $25 million fine in terror ca... - 3/15/2007 10:42:19 PM   
thompsonx


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I know you are a union longshoreman.  Like I said that is why you get the big bux and the corner office.
Six figgure salary and an airconditioned 40 ton forklift with a view of the bay...nice work if you can get it.  If I wanted a job yours would be high on my wish list.
thompson

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