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RE: Bondage baby! - 3/27/2007 12:11:24 PM

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Thanks Troll

Ohhh I'd love to have a sirik.

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RE: Bondage baby! - 3/27/2007 12:54:05 PM

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With my current trainer, bondage is part play, pleasure and discipline, although the discipline is an added part after bondage is accomplished (adds crop smacks, pokes with skewer, spanks, etc), but not always include both. Such as one swat for each minute I am late arriving. Bondage can also be a form of foreplay, or having sex included with bondage, although their are pros and cons to not having one's hands free during such activities. So the preference with my trainer so far is bondage very often and combined with another aspect at will.

One aspect that we both enjoy immensely is him watching me attempting to escape the bondage, mainly by trying to untie the ropes and straps so at least one to begin with is typically just within a finger or two's reach for me to touch at least, and that gives me something to focus upon, with the added incentive of recieving swats if I am taking too long in my attempts. And I have noted that the challenges are becoming increasing more difficult and have combinations of bondage aspects to overcome, all which increase the progressive escaping while I wither at his side, feet or being roped up in a doorway. But that is what training is about isn't it?

So bondage can be just play, or added with pleasure or punishment...it's all what is pleasing to the sir, and how the bondagee responds. And of course the added factors of traditional bondage gear like corset, wrist cuffs (leather or metal), hood, ball gags and blindfolds, etc.

BTW, glad to hear that siriks being referred to here are the chain restraints types and not the other definition of Islamic "honor killings" as that to me would be taking dicipline just a wee bit too far even in those cases....grins! Note that "discipline" can be, and has been here, used to mean just improved desired behavior or as "punishment" which are in my view two separate concerns (one where your know the desired behavior and violated those, and the other where you are learning new desired ones...just increasing one's personal discipline).

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RE: Bondage baby! - 3/27/2007 1:15:01 PM

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Real bondage for play, Mental bondage for discipline because it in itself takes discipline of the brain. If mental bondage is broken, verbal skills with a quick stern spanking. I have found that pain is not the most effective manner for dealing out punishment. At times withholding fav activities, such as TV shows can work. Worth more than 1000 licks on the ass. I will lecture and explain, always in dishing out discipline. I'm not one to dish it out, without communication. A clear difference between play and discipline.

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RE: Bondage baby! - 3/27/2007 1:17:41 PM

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In Hojojutsu fashion, bondage can be used for discipline, but it is getting out there.

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RE: Bondage baby! - 3/27/2007 2:08:06 PM

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I love bondage and have included it for play as well as discipline. Lately, bondage in discipline has been with leather restraints. Bondage for play has been shibari. My little girl goes off into a lovely head-space when I use rope on her. The feel of it brushing against her skin is enough to send her "flying."
Bondage combined with a blindfold and gag...Now we're talking arousal. The sight of the female form bound, gagged, and blindfolded...Lovely! Now take all that and mix in some toys for some "forced orgasm" play...A good time to be had by all, and My personal favorite.
So, sometimes it is discipline, such as when punishment is going to be extreme and I don't want her to move. Then again, there are times when no bonds are used on her and I just tell her not to move. Her inner struggle entertains Me. Or, she may be bound and punished. Then she may thrash all she can within her bonds. That is arousing as well.
Other times bondage is purely for play, or pleasure. I very much enjoy bondage and use it in various forms and for various purposes.

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RE: Bondage baby! - 3/27/2007 2:57:59 PM

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For play. I love bondage and when the ropes (ect ) come out it's playtime.

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RE: Bondage baby! - 3/27/2007 3:07:50 PM

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Just the word bondage sounds good to me. Heck, the word punishment sounds pretty good too.

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RE: Bondage baby! - 3/27/2007 3:32:07 PM

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The siriks this one has worn were a much more delicate yet very strong chain, and gave a bit more movement to the legs. the center chain was shorter, and the leg chain longer.

this one has also worn a sirik where all four chains were connected to her collar, being as short or as long as Master wished them to be... short, she had no choice but to remain kneeling... long, she could dance fairly inhindered.

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RE: Bondage baby! - 3/27/2007 3:38:55 PM

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I will always choose something that they don't like at all as a punishment. And I am not talking about punishment role play which is a different thing altogether. I am talking about negative reinforcement during training, as opposed to positive reinforcement.

I will choose to use

I'm sorry, I don't have time to read the whole thread (I really shouldn't be online at all this afternoon, too much to do) so forgive Me if I am repeating something already said.

Negative reinforcement is NOT the same thing as punishment.
Negative reinforcement is NOT a synonym for punishment.
Punishment and negative reinforcement are NOT the same thing.

Positive reinforcement is NOT the same thing as reward.
Positive reinforcement is NOT a synonym for reward.
Reward and positive reinforcement are NOT the same thing.

What negative reinforcement DOES mean is that you are trying to DIScourage a specific behavior. You CAN do that by punishing the behavior, but you can ALSO do it by rewarding someone for NOT doing that behavior.

What positive reinfocement DOES mean is that you are trying to ENcourage a specific behavior. You CAN do that by rewarding the behavior, but you can ALSO do it by punishing a failure to perform that behavior.

If I reward a submissive by tying her up and using a vibrator to bring her to multiple shattering orgasms to celebrate that she has gone a week without smoking, that is NEGATIVE reinforcement. Yes it's a reward, yes she loves it, yes it is still negative reinforcement because I am trying to get her to not do something - namely, smoke.

If I punish a submissive with a whipping for failing to greet Me by kneeling, that is POSITIVE reinforcement. Yes it's a punishment, yes she hates it, yes it is still positive reinforcement because I am trying to get her to do something - namely, kneel when I enter the room.

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RE: Bondage baby! - 3/27/2007 4:34:08 PM

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Not that I want to get all definition-y with all of you tonight (or, maybe I do - who knows?)

I understand what all of you consider 'discipline'. I'm reading it as 'painplay'. Which to me, lies at the other end of the BDSM realm, the S/m portion.

I believe, and you can tell me I'm wrong, but I think that the 'discipline' that is indicated here is 'spanking'. This would for the most part make it far lower on the S/m scale. S/m is where you start talking floggers and canes and more intricate fun stuff.

As to the topic. I'm a big proponent of bondage. For play, as a portion of punishment sometimes, and sometimes just because.

I must say, though, that as some of the respondents have mentioned punishment, I did have an occasion when I used heavy pain for punishment, and it wasn't even noticed until much later when I said something about it (to my partner) that she wasn't restrained whatsoever and could have walked away at any time. It never occurred to her.

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RE: Bondage baby! - 3/27/2007 4:38:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: FukinTroll

Greetings all,

I would like to discuss your bondage and discipline practices.

Is your bondage a part of discipline?
Is your bondage a part of play?

I am sure you see the distinction between the questions and would like your take on it.

To present; physical bondage and mental bondage for play ....And for discipline mental bondage only.

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RE: Bondage baby! - 3/27/2007 4:47:52 PM

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On that note, I remember last year at Thunder (in Denver) where I'd been put in a cage suspended off the ground (by a big six inches or so). I was already very upset for pissing the Domme off and more than a little dismayed at swinging off the ground. I HATE hights; fear of falling BIG TIME. I know it's silly; but I was totally freaked.

I had to remember the 50 states and write them on a piece of paper (which I was too upset to do). Finally she said I could ask for help; yeah right...who's gonna but into someone else's scene? After half the night, I finally got all the states. When I showed the list to her she asked why it was not alphabetical!!!

Gawd...my butt was sore from a caning, my eyes stung from crying so much, my nose was running...I was freaked for being naked in a damn cage and swinging off the ground and mortified for not being able to handle the scene.

But...I never even considered opening the door and climbing out. Nope.

What happens, Jeff, when a submissive just walks away? I figure the first time I did something like that would be the last time I played with that person! What IS submission, afterall? It certainly is NOT convienence, huh?

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RE: Bondage baby! - 3/27/2007 4:48:46 PM

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I'm with you, mynded. I'd take some punishment, because it would mean that I had someone to give it to me *lol*

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RE: Bondage baby! - 3/27/2007 5:17:57 PM

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I think I'm a sick puppy; sometimes I wear wrist/ankle restraints to bed...just cuz. Especially if I include clips on the d-ring thingie...so they rattle & clang when I walk. <sigh>

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I like to wear bells on occasion- just to freak out my co-workers... Plus, people say they can't hear me when I don't.. lol

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I can use bondage as "punishment" only if it isn't a major turn on for the sub.

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RE: Bondage baby! - 3/27/2007 5:25:33 PM

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What happens, Jeff, when a submissive just walks away? I figure the first time I did something like that would be the last time I played with that person! What IS submission, afterall? It certainly is NOT convienence, huh?

Well, it hasn't happened, which could be a credit to myself, the partner at the time, or the training I suppose.

I really haven't had to 'punish' much. This particular incident was merited. Besides, I believe that punishment needs to be as psychological as possible, along with any (or no) corporal attention.

Her headspace was so geared towards the cause of the punishment (the psychological) that her physical 'position' wasn't even a consideration. Like I said, I had to point it out later that she wasn't bound a'tall. It impressed herself that she was, under the circumstances, able to receive what was deserved, but also that I had the presence of mind to set up a 'test' that she passed as well.

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RE: Bondage baby! - 3/27/2007 5:26:24 PM

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I've been accused of not playing nice, and I have to confess that it's true.

Which is to say, I'm heavily into the S&M stuff (as play), as are my submissives and play partners. So, physical punishment doesn't make any sense... it's a mixed message. Therefore, all of my punishments are in the mental and emotional arenas. (And only occur when my sub has gotten stuck in trying to process grief and/or forgive themselves.)

On those occasions when I'm in a reflective mood, I typically choose bondage as my medium of expression. At that point, I am attempting to create art, a living sculpture if you will, through plaits, curves, tensions, and knots... almost a zen thing. The head space required for punishment is miles and miles away from that.

So, for both reasons, bondage as a part of discipline and/or punsishment simply doesn't work for me.

That doesn't mean that it won't in the future, just that I can't see it from here.
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RE: Bondage baby! - 3/27/2007 5:31:43 PM

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It depends on whether she is bondageable.

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RE: Bondage baby! - 3/27/2007 5:37:58 PM

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