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ORIGINAL: liks2plzlf

I have traveled the county extensivly and see mostly white men doing construction. Although when in Philly it was mostly African Americans. The summer I spent in Montana it was almost exclusively whtes.I believe it has a lot to to do with the part of the country you are in

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

i dont buy the theory that immegration is a bonus to the country.

if 12-20 million had citizenship- all social programs would be in peril.

SSI, SSDI, heating assistence, food stamps, medicare, medicaid.  all of that cost money.
IMO- amnesty would bankrupt some of the states. as there would be no way to PAY for all the new comers-

pahunkboy:
You seem to be making the assumption that first there are between twelve and twenty million illegal aliens in this country....how did you arrive at that particular figure?
The second assumption you are making is that  all of your alleged twelve to twenty million will automatically be on some sort of government assistance.
How and by what process have you arrived at this conclusion?
thompson

The govts number is 12 million.  CNNs number is 20 million.
These two sources have always been the most reliable in some peoples opinions, just not mine.
If I remember correctly did'nt CNN tell us that Gore had won....and the government told us that sodamned insane had weapons of mass deception?
I am curious as to how CNN and the government arrived at these figures.

I stand by my statement that on the state level- budgets that are already strained- will become VERY strained should amnesty occur.
So you are sticking with your assumption that all of the illegal aliens will be on public assistance?  How did you arrive at this conclusion?

This is not fair to the folks on these programs- that have been here all their lives.
Both the government and CNN have a long history of being fair?
 
 

Therefore states will cut programs, severely limit them, or perhaps grandfather in...meaning if you are on xyz program now- you can stay; but no new ppl.

Case in point- Drs who accept medicare.  Many DRs can't accept medicare as payments do not cover their costs. So the "are not accepting new patients".
If by "cover their costs" you mean he will only be making a quarter of a million this year,after taxes, that does cause me a great deal of consternation.  Who will be left to buy junque bonds and time shares?

A family with 22 children is going to put a strain on teh system.
Are you talking about the Kennedy's?
thompson

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

i dont buy the theory that immegration is a bonus to the country.

if 12-20 million had citizenship- all social programs would be in peril.

SSI, SSDI, heating assistence, food stamps, medicare, medicaid.  all of that cost money.
IMO- amnesty would bankrupt some of the states. as there would be no way to PAY for all the new comers-

pahunkboy:
You seem to be making the assumption that first there are between twelve and twenty million illegal aliens in this country....how did you arrive at that particular figure?
The second assumption you are making is that  all of your alleged twelve to twenty million will automatically be on some sort of government assistance.
How and by what process have you arrived at this conclusion?
thompson

The govts number is 12 million.  CNNs number is 20 million.
These two sources have always been the most reliable in some peoples opinions, just not mine.
If I remember correctly did'nt CNN tell us that Gore had won....and the government told us that sodamned insane had weapons of mass deception?
I am curious as to how CNN and the government arrived at these figures.

I stand by my statement that on the state level- budgets that are already strained- will become VERY strained should amnesty occur.
So you are sticking with your assumption that all of the illegal aliens will be on public assistance?  How did you arrive at this conclusion?

This is not fair to the folks on these programs- that have been here all their lives.
Both the government and CNN have a long history of being fair?
 
 

Therefore states will cut programs, severely limit them, or perhaps grandfather in...meaning if you are on xyz program now- you can stay; but no new ppl.

Case in point- Drs who accept medicare.  Many DRs can't accept medicare as payments do not cover their costs. So the "are not accepting new patients".
If by "cover their costs" you mean he will only be making a quarter of a million this year,after taxes, that does cause me a great deal of consternation.  Who will be left to buy junque bonds and time shares?

A family with 22 children is going to put a strain on teh system.
Are you talking about the Kennedy's?
thompson

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Here in southern california apples are going for about a buck to a buck and a quarter a pound.  A large golden delicious will weigh between a pound and a pound and a quarter, so that puts them in the check out line at over a buck apiece.  The grocery chains advertise them as being on special at ten pounds for ten dollars.  Lettuce is about .70 cents a head.

While there are some like me who have both the space and time to garden the overwhelming majority of the population is stuck in traffic on the 405 for four hours a day just to get back and forth to work.

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Who among us would have ever thought that three bux a gallon for gasoline was a deal.
You say that everyone would make their own fuel if it were easy...making diesel is easier than making jello and at a cost that is below fifty cents a gallon yet how many people do you know (besides me) who make their own fuel?
thompson

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ORIGINAL: orfunboi

i got this in an email the other day and it pretty much sums up my opinion on ILLEGAL immegration....

"Recently large  demonstrations have taken place across the country 
protesting the fact that Congress is finally addressing the issue of
>illegal immigration.
>
>Certain people are  angry that the US might protect its own borders, might
>make it harder to  sneak into this country and, once here, to stay
>indefinitely.
>
>Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind these protests.
>Let's say I break into your house.
>Let's say that when you discover me in your house, you  insist that I
>leave.
>But I say, "I've made all the beds and washed  the dishes and did the
>laundry and swept the floors.
>I've done all the things you don't like to do.
>I'm hard-working and honest (except for when I broke into your  house).
>According to the protesters:
>
>You are Required to  let me stay in your house
>You are Required to  add me to your family's insurance plan
>You are Required to  Educate my kids
>You are Required to  Provide other benefits to me and to my family
>(my husband will do all of your  yard work because he is also hard-working
>and honest, except for that  breaking in part).
>
>If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my friends who
>will picket your house carrying signs  that proclaim my RIGHT to be there.
>
>It's only fair, after all,  because you have a nicer house than I do, and
>I'm just trying to  better myself.
>
>I'm a hard-working and honest, person,  except for well, you know, I did
>break into your  house.
>
>And what  a deal it is for me!!!
>
>I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep,
>and there is nothing you can do about  it without being accused of cold,
>uncaring, selfish, prejudiced, and  bigoted behavior.
>
>Oh yeah, I DEMAND that you to learn MY  LANGUAGE!!! so you can communicate
>with me.

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

Sorry nothing to add - just havent been underneath thompson for a while

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ORIGINAL: junecleaver

The movie was okay.  I had to watch it for class, but I fell asleep in the middle of it.  However, I agree with its points.  People will either complain that products are too expensive or bitch that illegals are taking their jobs for less money so their shit isn't so expensive.  I do believe that illegal immigrants are the new scapegoats.   I resent that my tax money was spent to build a big ugly wall that has done next to nothing to stop the flow of illegal immigrants.  I mean really?  A wall?  What are we....five? I wish they would deport the minute men. I wish that instead of directing hostility towards people who are simply persuing a better life people would boycott and protest the companies that are notorious for taking advantage of illegal immigrants and the American public.  

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ORIGINAL: orfunboi

Are you really suggesting we stole 1/2 this country from Mexico?  How am i supposed to respond, when you start off with such bs? Sorry, but my time could be better spent somewhere else...have a nice day.

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ORIGINAL: junecleaver

The movie was okay.  I had to watch it for class, but I fell asleep in the middle of it.  However, I agree with its points.  People will either complain that products are too expensive or bitch that illegals are taking their jobs for less money so their shit isn't so expensive.  I do believe that illegal immigrants are the new scapegoats.   I resent that my tax money was spent to build a big ugly wall that has done next to nothing to stop the flow of illegal immigrants.  I mean really?  A wall?  What are we....five? I wish they would deport the minute men. I wish that instead of directing hostility towards people who are simply persuing a better life people would boycott and protest the companies that are notorious for taking advantage of illegal immigrants and the American public.  

June, correct, they can't just have a wall and no-one there to guard it.
Many people have been calling for Troops along that Mexican border and I have to say I agree with them.
Like it or not our govt's *job* is to either control or close that border. Of course these days all we're getting is *excuses* as to why people in govt can't do their jobs!
Obviously Bush doesn't want to close that border because his Pay Masters, the big corporations want cheap slave labor.
As for illegal aliens being "scapegoats" that really doesn't apply.
They're criminals by their very presence.
Being of Irish descent and holding dual American/ Irish Citizenship
Why would you hold dual citizenship?  Isn't being an american good enough?

I would arrest and deport the illegal Irish FIRST... just to set the example!
Mexico and other countries south of the border need to develope their own economies and stop depending on ours.
Please do tell us just how Mexico and other countries south of the border are depending on us.  Please keep in mind that Mexico is the number one trading partner for the fourth largest economy in the world, California.  I am sure you are aware that California is part of the U.S.  If I remember correctly Venezuela is the third largest supplier of oil to the U.S.
If you should ever decide to read a little history instead of accepting hollywood history as the totality of historical knowledge you might come to the realization that the U.S, is the one who is dependent on those countries south of the border and not vice versa.
thompson


And I resent the fact that it cost U.S. Taxpayers (you and me) $92Billion last year to pay for various programs for illegal aliens!
I am curious as to where you derived this number...do you have any validation for this figure?
They get better Healthcare and Dental than you do I bet and it's on your dime!
I could also use a little validation for this also...or is this some more of your biggoted rhetoric.
thompson

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ORIGINAL: MzMia

popeye, until we get the border situation under control {which could take years}.
Why is it that our leaders can not enforce the laws that are already on the books?
Can someone explain why it is okay, to wink and ignore so much of what is going on?

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ORIGINAL: MzMia

popeye, until we get the border situation under control {which could take years}.
Why is it that our leaders can not enforce the laws that are already on the books?
Can someone explain why it is okay, to wink and ignore so much of what is going on?

MzMia, that border could be completely shutdown in 48 hours with Troops.
I totally agree with you that we need to enforce all of our laws!
That's what makes America a great country, laws, and we really shouldn't be playing with that because Halliburton or other corporations want "cheap labor".
Orfunboi, I put Thompson on "block" months ago.
He's just too argumentative for me and calls people names if they disagree with him.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

MzMia, yeah, since WHEN did the people in Washington who WE ARE PAYING get to PICK AND CHOOSE which laws they enforce?
They're the hired help and I don't just mean the ones who are elected!
I've already wrote to and called my congressman and senators about the border guards, Ramos and Campean as well as that Sherriff Gilberto Hernandez.
They should be freed and that no good bastard prosecutor Johnny Sutton should be disbarred and put in jail for 10 years!