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popeye, until we get the border situation under control {which could take years}.
Why is it that our leaders can not enforce the laws that are already on the books?
Can someone explain why it is okay, to wink and ignore so much of what is going on?

MzMia, that border could be completely shutdown in 48 hours with Troops.
I totally agree with you that we need to enforce all of our laws!
That's what makes America a great country, laws, and we really shouldn't be playing with that because Halliburton or other corporations want "cheap labor".
Orfunboi, I put Thompson on "block" months ago.
He's just too argumentative for me and calls people names if they disagree with him.

popeye? I don't think we have the troops with the situation in Iraq and Afghanastan,
also did you see what happened to the border patrol men that shoot the drug dealers?
They are now in prison with the same people they sent to prison, as far as I know.
The people crossing the border have more rights than the border patrol people that patrol the borders!

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In this little town……it’s nothing like the jones mentality in California where people in the neighborhoods actually compete for the greenest lawn. Here lots folks actually have gardens on a side plot in their front yards. We’re seeing more and more homes like this all the time.  

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It is not my position that the U.S. economy would fail if all of the undocumented labor were to go away.  Neither do I think that undocumented labor is the bane on the U.S. economy that it is portrayed....if we can afford gasoline at three bux a gallon a few more bux at the grocery store is just more of the same shit different day.  It would appear that all of the pc biggots want to carp about it as the cause of all of our problems.  There are some where up to twenty million people working in the U.S. for sub minimum wage and somehow all of these self supporting people if given citizen ship would suddenly quit their jobs and go on welfare seems a little farfetched to me....I seldome see these self same people complaining about the billions of tax payers money going to the ultra rich in the form or welfare for the wealthy.  It is always some destitute poor person who happens to have a twenty year old color tv set who is sucking the system dry.

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I once took a class to get my MCSA and MCSE and the instructor spent at least 3 hours of the class talking about his hobby, which involved crawling around his expanse of lawn on his house in South Carolina looking for weeds to pull out.  He indicated he did this because otherwise his neighbors lawn would "win."

I thought about the 4 fruit trees I had in my back yard and the lovely fruit I got off them and pondered the utter waste of time and energy to plant grass when there are starving people in this country.

Sinergy

p.s.  On a related note, I planted my fruit trees near the street and would tell people I talked to walking by to help themselves if they wanted some.  I knew the tree would grow more

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I have never met anyone that was obsessed with lawn care in this state, but then many of us live where water conservation makes being anal about lawn care rather ridiculous. I am sure there are assholes that have lawn fetishes here, but not of my acquaintence. In fact having native landscaping is rather fashionable in many communities.

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MzMia, yeah, since WHEN did the people in Washington who WE ARE PAYING get to PICK AND CHOOSE which laws they enforce?
They're the hired help and I don't just mean the ones who are elected!
I've already wrote to and called my congressman and senators about the border guards, Ramos and Campean as well as that Sherriff Gilberto Hernandez.
They should be freed and that no good bastard prosecutor Johnny Sutton should be disbarred and put in jail for 10 years!

popeye1250:
How about the jury that convicted them would you put them in jail also?
It seems that you are somewhat selective in which laws you want enforced.
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TxblkMistress, yeah, good points.
And look at the jury in the O.J. Simpson case.

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Thank you for speaking up TxBlkMistress, you are down there and I am sure you have
a better handle on the situation than we do.
I don't believe for one minute those officers belong in jail, thank you.
As you stated, there is a big difference between those that are here legally and those that
are not, to lump them all together is not even worth responding to.

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Thank you for speaking up TxBlkMistress, you are down there and I am sure you have
a better handle on the situation than we do.
I don't believe for one minute those officers belong in jail, thank you.
As you stated, there is a big difference between those that are here legally and those that
are not, to lump them all together is not even worth responding to.

thank you MzMia....let's hope everyone pulls their head out soon and get these guys out of jail.

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MzMia, yeah, since WHEN did the people in Washington who WE ARE PAYING get to PICK AND CHOOSE which laws they enforce?
They're the hired help and I don't just mean the ones who are elected!
I've already wrote to and called my congressman and senators about the border guards, Ramos and Campean as well as that Sherriff Gilberto Hernandez.
They should be freed and that no good bastard prosecutor Johnny Sutton should be disbarred and put in jail for 10 years!

popeye1250:
How about the jury that convicted them would you put them in jail also?
It seems that you are somewhat selective in which laws you want enforced.
thompson

The post have been so silly I wasn't going to comment, but this one struck a nerve....

The jury?  I'm sure the jury was only allowed to hear certain facts and were given guidelines on how they could rule, it happens all the time and that is why they were convicted.   
You appear to be saying that the justice system in our country does not work.  Is this something that has been going on for a long time or did it just occure for these cops who were convicted?
I thought they had a lawyer defending them.  Did I miss something?
Those men do not belong in prison, it's ridiculous. 
I thought they were indited, had a public jury trial, were convicted and sentenced...where else would you put convicted felons except prison?

I mean Hernandez was almost run over...but I guess that's ok?   He shot out the tires, if he was really trying to hurt someone, wouldn't he have aimed at the windows?
It is possible that a trial transcript is available...

How is it that someone doing something illegal gets all the perks from a country they are not even a citizen in?   Those officers were nothing but collateral damage during campaign time.  you have officers hesitating on enforcement, and you are going to have a lot of dead officers.
I was not aware that they were convicted of hesitating on enforcement.

It's just stupid
Are we speaking here of just the convictions you do not agree with or all convictions in U.S. courts?

....and by the way...not really directed at anyone..that movie was about if "all" Mexicans disappeared....not just illegal.  Even those that were born here, even those that were half, and as it turned out in the end even those that believed they were in their hearts but was not of decent.  
I am unclear what this means.
thompson

I live in Texas, so I guess I'm pretty close to it all...the movie does give something to think about.  I work around construction, for the state....and 90% if not more are Hispanic and they are totally legal.  So makes me wonder how the roads would get built.  When we post jobs, guess who shows?  So not seeing that they are taking jobs away from anyone....and again, these people are legal.

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No, I'm not talking about just this case, and no a lot of times the justice system does not work.  How else do innocent people get locked up, guilty people get away with things?
Quite often the innocent are convicted because of the cops and the crime lab falsifying evidence.  The OJ trial is a classic example of cops lying and the crime lab manufacturing evidence.  Only this time the defendant had enough money to hire first class council and was able to point out the lies and falsified evidence.

What I was saying is that sometimes jury's are not allowed all the facts, or there are restrictions on how they can look at evidence.  Have you now seen jurors interviewed that say if they had or had "that" information the out come would've been different?
The rules of evidence are pretty clear.  All evidence that is relevant to the trial at hand is admisable.

I have no idea what you mean about them being convicted on hesitating in law enforcement...no one said that...I said if they start to hesitate instead of doing what their training tells them they could get killed.  
What these two thugs did was against their training and proper police proceedure.  They were trying to stick up and murder a dope dealer and got caught in the process.  That is why they are in prison. 

If you are unclear about what I meant about the movie, then why even comment?  If you don't know what I mean, simply watch the movie.
I am not unclear about the movie...I was unclear as to your comment.

You know a healthy debate is great....and I am not opposed to comments with ideas different from my own...but there is no need to be a smart ass
Please do not mistake my straight forewardness for rudeness or being a smart ass for neither is my intention.
If I have said something rude or untrue to you please point it out and I will gladly offer my most profound apology
thompson

....your comments in themselves are good enough.