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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/13/2007 12:01:40 PM   
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> Presenting yourself as a lay practicioner

I do not present myself as a lay practioner.  Boy, do those here like
to jump to all kinds of conclusions. 

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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/13/2007 12:05:54 PM   
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Anger is Natural
Anger Lingers, it is your personal bodyguard. But it is healthy? It is! But it is healthy only in a way that Anger must run it's course. Anger is yet another example of an obstacle we must overcome. Because Anger leads to bitterness and a bitter heart is no way to live. Being Survivors of any form of sexual violence it is easy to understand that many of us carry such an anger within us. In spite of how much life around us either un-folds or grows for the better think of your Anger as a gleaming light in the milestone of healing.

Anger Association

Anger is a way for us to get in touch with our true feelings, when we are Angry about our violation we are in grievance for it. Something was lost or stolen from a very sensitive part of your soul, nothing can replace that and we do understand, but you can feel whole again. A lot of the times a certain word or phrase can cause our grief. We are hurting and suffering just the same as anyone else except in an emotional sense and that oftentimes becomes tangled in a web between understanding and flat out denial. So what I like to do is this.

Play a game with yourself...

For example, 'Jamie' is very angry today because her Mother called her up and said she did not understand why she didn't tell her after all these years. but about a month ago she was more supportive. This happens quite frequently and is one of the best examples to portray because this is one of the easiest ways for a Survivor to feel angry. When we are convinced of something and suddenly sling shotted right back into the situation but with a different outcome. After Jamie hangs up the phone she could calmly say to herself that she will talk about this some other day, right now is her time to reflect. Remember I said play a game? If Jamie takes every single emotion she felt when she was speaking on the phone in anger, and thought about those emotions as if they were words in her mind and then took those words and associated them with their opposite meanings the outcome would be fantastic. For example: if you were feeling, bitter, shamed, or sad think of Out-going, Supported, and Happy! Already Jamie is feeling strong, more confident, ready for the next time her Mother calls. Now this may not be much of a game but to the life of a Survivor anything is fair game. There are rules we need less complicated, factors less severe, we represent chaos and yet we hold love so deeply it's an amazing array of life imitating chemical reactions. And mostly we have the ability to come from Victimized to becoming Survivors in a more healthy skin. Nothing could be better than that. I've used Anger Association on myself many times in the past years. There is a sense of joy that comes when you start to automatically catch yourself doing it without thinking about it. Then you realize your exercises are a part of who you are and how you heal and that is a good thing. There are benefits to how much more you do for your own body. There is inner peace.

Taking It Out On Others

We would like to think it's okay to throw our words out into the air to anyone who is in the way enough to reach and just take them. But we have to remember as human beings that they are human beings as well. Anger comes in many forms, even in silent forms. Anger can be portrayed by a look, a tone of voice, a gesture, a remark or blame, perhaps a sudden outburst or a need to become violent with oneself or with others. There is a difference between taking your anger out on yourself and others and just releasing your energy. When we say releasing your anger we mean in a positive way. There are many ways of relieving anger and stress without using your loved ones as target practice.

Journal

Journal writing can be both therapeutic and memorable, you can catalog and record all your daily stresses and stories with the choice of being able to reflect on a later time.

Punching Bag

Believe it or not more people in the work place are installing punching bags for the relief of stress during breaks. I think it's also a wise decision for the house or garage set-up for anyone who needs to just wham the crap out of something within reach. Punching isn't a bad thing, it's what you punch that matters. Taking it out on a big bag never hurt anyone.

Hot Bath

Pamper yourself in a hot bubble bath. Dim the lights, light a few candles, put the calm music on and really enjoy your time with yourself. You can have a wonderful hour alone by yourself and have not a worry in the world. I find that Eucalyptus Spearmint Soaps and Oils are universal scent, refreshing for everyone and it really helps in the aromatherapy sense to ease breathing and well being. You can find it at any 'Bath & Body Works' in the mall.

Warm Drink

Have a hot cup of tea! Not everyone are tea drinkers so if you have some coffee by all means. But try to steer clear of any caffeine. There are teas and coffees that do not contain caffeine, have a mixture of both. Something to wake up to and something to relax to. Because there is nothing like sitting down to relax with a cup of tea and ten minutes later you're running around the house cleaning like a mad person. Simply allow yourself to drift off into it's flavor, texture, warmth, sit by the window or watch a great positive themed television show, make sure it's something you chose!

Community Help

There's nothing like being a part of any community no matter how close or how spread far in the distance you are you can always rely on a place to vent your feelings down. Maybe a journal isn't your thing, men can you agree with me? Hey, man or woman we all have different needs. There are many forums and chat rooms on-line right now for Survivors of Sexual Abuse and about 90% of them contain sections just for your venting pleasure. Venting on-line is positive, there is no negative effect. When you release that it's gone, that part of your emotions has just entered their realm, they are your support group now and they are willing to stick by you as great listeners and friends. I also like to believe in RAINN for another Community Help resource. RAINN, the Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network has the Nations ONLY Trusted 24 Hour Confidential Hotline for Survivors of Sexual Abuse, 1.800.656.HOPE. When calling RAINN you are not only getting someone who is willing to listen to what you have to say and help you get through this, they are willing to be there all night. So say you can't find anyone on-line to speak to at this particular moment, call RAINN! If you can become familiar with the confidentiality you will becoming more apt and able to comfortably talk to them from time to time because of course the first call is always the hardest. You have all our support.

Others Forms Of Self Help Include:

  • Calling a Friend

  • Be creative With Hobbies

  • Taking a Walk

  • Breathing Exercises

  • Listening To Music

When Others Don't Understand

It's oftentimes mind numbing when you notice that someone else doesn't understand. Especially when you're getting angry because you are trying hard to get them to accept when you don't want to talk about something as sensitive as Sexual Abuse even if brought up in a movie or casual conversation, sometimes it's okay not to talk about it, hey that's a right we do have. What you have to know is that you are even more in the dark than you may believe. Imagine what it must be like for someone who is not a Survivor of Sexual Abuse, has a completely opposite personality than you, isn't as sensitive to words or feelings, and the list goes on. They look at you just as abnormally as we would look at them. I know for a fact most of us ask "How could they possibly not get it?". The answer is simple. Trauma especially in Children at an early age for example embeds itself within the memory. When triggered by a specific word, scent, reaction...we react in our own emotional defense, placing up all sorts of guards which are also at times noticeable on the outside. When the person next to you feels un-easy don't be afraid to give an explanation as to why you feel so awkward and out of place. You never know if you'll get a positive or a negative reaction but you will surprise yourself when you speak out in ways without causing too much attention to your situation. For example you could reply and say "You and I grew up in entirely different situations, would you like me to explain what I mean so you can understand?"

Take Control

Be the boss of your own anger, do the research. Anger can't always be cured in the form of a pill. It's sometimes easy to turn those valves of heavy anger flow off by simply allowing yourself time to understand others around you and yourself as well. The one thing a lot of us do first is go strait for things we shouldn't to help relieve anger, violence, self-harm, taking it out on others, drinking or drugs, blame ourselves, over-eat. No there is a better kind of existence out there and it belongs to you alone. You of course make your own decisions and you are no less of a person if you have a double chocolate cookie to help ease the pain or if you have a cup of tea. It's all about positive re-enforcement. Not by others but by you, by choice. You have the choice to make your life feel better, start today, not tomorrow. You deserve to get your life back.

Think Before You Speak

You've heard it so many times I know I have, "Think before you speak". When I was a child I never understood this I must confess, but I do now. How powerful are words? When someone says "Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me" do you actually believe it? I don't remember the last time I stubbed my toe but I sure remember the last time someone said something horrible to me. Words DO hurt, they do have meaning, they are more powerful than anyone can imagine. Use your words wisely. Think before you speak. It's not hard and in time you will learn to adapt it to everything in life. We all slip up and make mistakes, that is because we are flesh and blood, I can argue like the rest of them ask my site partner Brian. But I do believe we can all benefit from watching ourselves. Kind of self clairvoyance if you want to call it that. We know what our actions will bring as an outcome before we even open up to say anything at all. Be patient with yourself. If it takes you a minute to reply to a simple "Hello" that is your right!

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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/13/2007 12:10:31 PM   
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Anger is Natural


Anger is a side affect of ignorance. I use ignorance in terms of lack of understanding.

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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/13/2007 12:13:37 PM   
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That is an interesting definition of the word anger...I don't agree with it, but I see where you come from, Troll

What I don't understand, however, is the extent to which that post supports WhipTheHip's POV. If anything, it says that seeking revenge is the wrong way to go about things...

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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/13/2007 12:15:07 PM   
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Expressive therapy: psychodrama, encourages the pounding of pillows, yelling and screaming or psychodrama with players representing people in your past that you are angry at. In psychodrama, you are encouraged to yell and tell these people how you really feel.

Psychodrama
Psychodrama is a form of drama therapy which explores, through action, the problems of people. It is a group working method, in which each person becomes a therapeutic agent for others in the psychodrama group. Developed by Jacob L. Moreno, psychodrama has strong elements of theater, often conducted on a stage with props.

Psychological uses
In psychodrama, participants explore internal conflicts through acting out their emotions and interpersonal interactions on stage. A given psychodrama session (typically 90 minutes to 2 hours) focuses principally on a single participant, known as the protagonist. Protagonists examine their relationships by interacting with the other actors and the leader, known as the director. This is done using specific techniques, including doubling, role reversals, mirrors, soliloquy, and sociometry.


Psychodrama attempts to create an internal restructuring of dysfunctional mindsets with other people, and it challenges the participants to discover new answers to some situations and become more spontaneous and independent. There are over 10,000 practitioners internationally.
Although a primary application of psychodrama has traditionally been as a form of group psychotherapy, and psychodrama often gets defined as "a method of group psychotherapy," this does a disservice to the many other uses or functions of the method. More accurately psychodrama is defined as "a method of communication in which the communicator expresses him/her/themselves in action." The psychodramatic method is an important source of the role-playing widely used in business and industry. Psychodrama offers a powerful approach to teaching and learning, as well as to training interrelationship skills. The action techniques of psychodrama also offer a means of discovering and communicating information concerning events and situations in which the communicator has been involved.

Role reversal 
In psychodrama, role reversal is a technique where the protagonist is asked, by the psychodrama director, to exchange roles with another person (an auxiliary ego) on the psychodrama stage. The former assumes as many of the roles of the other as possible and vice versa. In that way one is able not only to experience a different perspective of the situation (to walk into someone's else's shoes) but also to witness one's own behaviour from the other side. Thereby, the role reversal can bring significant abreactive and mental catharsis, insight, and transformation.


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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/13/2007 12:18:19 PM   
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That is an interesting definition of the word anger...I don't agree with it, but I see where you come from, Troll

What I don't understand, however, is the extent to which that post supports WhipTheHip's POV. If anything, it says that seeking revenge is the wrong way to go about things...



Well revenge is the wrong way to go about things.

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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/13/2007 12:24:49 PM   
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Again, maybe I am a little confused [which is possible, I'm not being sarcastic], but the definition which you posted in no way condones what you are doing. The writing in bold specifically says 'yelling and psychodrama', none of which I have problems with. I don't think there were any posts that rejected psychodrama as a whole. I think the issue is with the particular method of psychodrama which you have attempted to use. When physical violence is used in these scenes they are stopped, not encouraged. I am honestly confused as to where this supports using sadomasochist roleplay in the way that you are suggesting.

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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/13/2007 12:32:23 PM   
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In psychodrama, you are encouraged to yell and tell these people how you really feel.

Greetings
 
No where in this does it state that 'abusing' ( stated in the way that you use ) is an accepted form.
 
Your words were "IN MY PSYCHODRAMA"...after which you went on to proclaim that there there was acceptable literature which supported YOUR WAY of doing it.
 
What you have given here is not literature. It is only words that you have borrowed from the dictionaries to support what you are saying.
 
Be a man and step up to the plate. Either provide LINKS that support your claims or references to where they can be attained . If you can not do this, then just admit that your claims are fictional.
 
It's quite simple really.
 
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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/13/2007 12:37:50 PM   
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What you have given here is not literature. It is only words that you have borrowed from the dictionaries to support what you are saying.
 
Be a man and step up to the plate. Either provide LINKS that support your claims or references to where they can be attained . If you can not do this, then just admit that your claims are fictional.
 
It's quite simple really.
 
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Sooooo melisa, been working with cattle much?

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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/13/2007 12:39:33 PM   
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Sooooo melisa, been working with cattle much?

Greetings Master Loki
 
LOL..wellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
 
I wish you well
 
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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/13/2007 12:44:53 PM   
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Greetings Master Loki
 
LOL..wellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
 
I wish you well
 
melissa

 
Just as I suspected.

I had this image that you just come in from snipping the lambs, set down your snippers and said, "Well since I am in snip mode anyway...."

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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/13/2007 12:48:44 PM   
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Greetings Master Loki
 

 
I am not being very nice am I?
 
I think it's time I took myself away from this thread before I lose 'the cool' that I have been trying to hang on to
 
I wish you all well
 
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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/13/2007 12:50:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: daniL
That is an interesting definition of the word anger...I don't agree with it, but I see where you come from, Troll

What I don't understand, however, is the extent to which that post supports WhipTheHip's POV. If anything, it says that seeking revenge is the wrong way to go about things...


Well revenge is the wrong way to go about things.


I've only addressed this point thirty times.  Do you have a brain injury?  I have never advocated revenge.    I have explicitly stated this countless times.  Half the people here can't read a word of English, or deliberately don't want to understand what others write, because they are on their high horse charging full speed ahead trying to draw blood.  

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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/13/2007 12:50:30 PM   
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Again, maybe I am a little confused [which is possible, I'm not being sarcastic], but the definition which you posted in no way condones what you are doing. The writing in bold specifically says 'yelling and psychodrama', none of which I have problems with. I don't think there were any posts that rejected psychodrama as a whole. I think the issue is with the particular method of psychodrama which you have attempted to use. When physical violence is used in these scenes they are stopped, not encouraged. I am honestly confused as to where this supports using sadomasochist roleplay in the way that you are suggesting.


A psychodrama would also have clear limits on it as to what was acceptable and what was not, most often it would be refeered by someone who watched but didn't participate so that those limits could be respected and that any negatives that came out could be processed in a healthy way. It can feel silly and it can feel good depending on the person doing it and observing/guiding it.

I would not step beyond the yelling and hitting inanimate things myself, none of my therapists would have encouraged me to do so. They didn't even encourage me to direct that at an individual -- it was always an object that I could project the abuser's face onto. Perhaps this was because of my anger and the ease in which it could explode, perhaps it was her standard procedure.

I am glad that I never was encouraged to express that old anger toward another person or animal. The risks would have been too great for me. Just as the risks would be too great for me to do this with SM.

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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/13/2007 12:53:56 PM   
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Greetings Master Loki
 

 
I am not being very nice am I?
 
I think it's time I took myself away from this thread before I lose 'the cool' that I have been trying to hang on to
 
I wish you all well
 
melissa


Greetings girl,
 
You are doing well. As long as you bear in mind that your Master would approve that manner in which you are posting you are fine. Being a slave does not diminish your passions pet it should enhance them. Be in the moment, with the moment, and in control of the moment and not swept away with it.
 
Slurp!

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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/13/2007 12:55:17 PM   
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I agree this is the secret to recovery.  I tell this to every survivor.  



I used to spend my days telling other people how to live their lives.

One day I had an epiphany based on that (supposed) native American saying "Never judge a person until you have walked a mile in their moccasins."

Are you a survivor?

If so, are you trained in helping others recover based on extensive experience in recovery programs?

Extensive personal education in the field?

Are you published in a peer reviewed journal?

Without being a survivor, you cannot possibly comprehend what is happening in the mind of one.  Since you cannot possibly comprehend what is happening in the mind of one, why do you think it is your place to tell a survivor anything about her/his experience?  I imagine a person doing so must have a tremendous amount of hubris to imagine they could do so.

On the other hand, are you like so many men who think they know the answer to The Question regardless of whether or not they have any idea what The Question is?

Men are socialized to tie up their ego in being able to provide insight and wisdom to everybody else.  I see this all the time, both in real life, and more in the industry I have worked in for almost 30 years.  Throw a rock into a crowd, hit somebody with a Y chromosome, ask him a question about self defense, (or rebuilding a carbeurator or preventing Venice (Italy) from sinking into the mud, or redoing a hardwood foor) and receive endless reams of definitive information about how a person should defend oneself if attacked.  The person's only insight into it might have been watching Kung Fu Theatre on channel 5 as an 8 year old.

What I learned a long time ago when talking to people is that the more definitive their answers are, particularly ones which they cannot back up with a curriculum vitae showing education, experience, etc., the less likely they are to have any clue as to the issue at hand.  Those with extensive experience very seldom speak definitively about the issue.  When one starts to learn a subject as complex and dynamic as, say, recovery from abuse, one soon discovers that the number of factors involved defy categorization from the outside.

I have personal reasons I dont post the name of the organization I work for.  I took strumpet to a public demonstration and allowed her to watch me do what I do.  Somebody wants to know, they can ask me privately and I can refer them to a related organization in their area. 

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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/13/2007 12:55:23 PM   
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Thank you for highlighting this for all to see, drawn. 


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, I am forced to direct all this energy inwards at myself.  So it is therapy for me,
too.   If I didn't direct this energy inward at myself, I could become a rapist and
sex offender. 


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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/13/2007 12:59:42 PM   
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So you have no education in pscyhology, psychiatry,
no liscense or credentials?

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1. For the tenth time, I never claimed anybody was "cured."
2. I have as much knowledge or more than most licesned therapists.
3. In general psychodrama is an accepted form of therapy.


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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/13/2007 1:01:35 PM   
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Actually, the argument can be made that by advocating the enacting of physical revenge fantasies as a method of therapy, you are in fact appoving of revenge-- just not revenge inflicted upon the person that deserves it.

And asking if we are braindamaged is not actually a defense of your argument. I would question your grasp of the English language, except for the fact that you have proven to be a master of picking and choosing which parts of a post to comment on or answer when someone provides a legitmate question. I believe that I am not the only poster here who has tried, when you post, to respond to every bullet point which you have argued. You, on the otherhand, have a track record of merely referencing the first and last line of a post. When we discussed revenge as not being an option, we pointed out that the definitions which you posted never advocated physical violence.

When I asked how you deal with someone who might not be in a state of mind where they can decide/can know what is best for them, you convienently only mentioned that I was not a professional [which seems to be the only thing that you and I have in common]

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RE: What I find hard to understand. - 4/13/2007 1:06:22 PM   
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4. I've noticed all the professionals here referring to survivors
  as "victims."  If any of these soi disant professionals really
  knew anything at all they would never call a "survivor" a
  "victim."
> no victim should ever become their abusers.

A survivor does not become their abuser by taking out their
anger on a consenting adult masochist who benefits from
the activity.   

You really need to educate yourself in these matters.
A victim will fall into the role of either victim or
abuser the majority of the time.  The remainder
will usually fall into addiction of one form or another.

How you can compare an adult nonsensually
sexually assaulting a child, and a suvivor releasing her
anger on a consenting masochist, I don't know. 
Channeling and directing ones negative emotions into
socially acceptable ways is a recognized therapy, and
an accepted coping mechanism.  

Suvivors who have anger just can't get over it and move on.
You don't tell someone who is suffering major depression,
just be happy and go on with your life. 

No one here is telling those who have been victimized
to just move on.  The advice given is to seek professional
treatment and support from loved ones.



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So in this gray haze we'll be meating again, and on that
great day, I will tease you all the same."
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