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MasterGremlin -> RE: Punishment Suggestions (4/14/2007 8:22:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: koimizu

It seems that on the beginning of learning more about the service aspect of D/s, i seem to be stumbling heavily.

Not only did i lock my trainer's keys in his car, i kept his cell charger and forgot to return it or mention it, was late on a return phone call because of a tiny lacking in mathematical skills. (40mins after 5:40 is not 6:30 ><;;).

Well, as such, it was told to me to humbly ask for ideas on how to bring this less than stellar little one back in line from other Dominants.

*tries to look brave*

Any ideas Sirs?



A couple of the punishments that Master gives me are:
1)  Paddles my ass with the hairbrush
2)  Has me sleep in the closet
3)  *gulps* Makes me wear little girl underwear with matching socks

A common punishment that I have heard is being made to kneel on uncooked rice or peas for a certain amount of time. 

Sincerely,
minxy




Elorin -> RE: Punishment Suggestions (4/14/2007 8:50:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterGremlin
3)  *gulps* Makes me wear little girl underwear with matching socks

I guess that is only an effective punishment for some people. ~thinking of the days of the week socks, the days of the week Carebears panties, and the matching Oscar the Grouch panties and knee high socks~




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Punishment Suggestions (4/14/2007 9:26:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Elorin
I know my friends and my submissives well enough to feel comfortable doing this. I wouldn't send a sub out to ask others for forgiveness lightly. It is far from pointless if the sub is ashamed and would like to sweep it under the rug, and now has to tell others, and not just random strangers, but others that he knows and will interact with in the future, what he did. Arrogant? Again, I know my friends and my subs well enough to feel comfortable. If it would be imposing, I wouldn't let the sub talk to that person.

And honestly, I WOULD ask a list of friends first if they would give the sub their time and respond honestly, and possibly explain why (though few people that come to mind would need the explanation).

This isn't a matter of sending my sub out to accost strangers.

As for the scene at a play party, well it's your choice if you watch or not. The announcement is generally going to be understood to be acceptable.

~shrugs~
~E

As I said, if you get permission, it's no big deal.  And I don't think you always need to get permission in the form of "Can I do this?"  Social closeness of course plays a role.

As for parties, why make an announcement?  Unless the punishment is to be very long and hog some space, involve some spraying to watch for, or some other issue which could interfere with other people- I can only think the announcement serves to promote the doms ego/purpose.




Elorin -> RE: Punishment Suggestions (4/14/2007 7:20:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
As for parties, why make an announcement?  Unless the punishment is to be very long and hog some space, involve some spraying to watch for, or some other issue which could interfere with other people- I can only think the announcement serves to promote the doms ego/purpose.

I find it hard to believe you are not more perceptive than to think that it promotes the dominant's ego and nothing else.
Of course the announcement promotes the dominant's PURPOSE. I leave it as an exercise to the reader what the purpose might be, and how it could be a ~punishment~ or make a punishment more effective, for a sub to publically announce they are being punished at a party and invite others to watch.




MasterGremlin -> RE: Punishment Suggestions (4/14/2007 7:43:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Elorin

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ORIGINAL: MasterGremlin
3)  *gulps* Makes me wear little girl underwear with matching socks

I guess that is only an effective punishment for some people. ~thinking of the days of the week socks, the days of the week Carebears panties, and the matching Oscar the Grouch panties and knee high socks~


Punishment for me, fun turn on for Him.....[:o]  I hate panties, and little girl ones don't fit right and are soooooo uncomfortable...

Sincerely,
minxy [:)]




Elorin -> RE: Punishment Suggestions (4/14/2007 7:47:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterGremlin
Punishment for me, fun turn on for Him.....[:o]  I hate panties, and little girl ones don't fit right and are soooooo uncomfortable...

OH! I didn't know you meant little girl sizes. Yes, well none of those would fit me, to be honest. But wearing panties is something I grew up with, and since I'm a highly lubricated kind of gal, they make a lot of sense. So lately Sir's been learning the pleasures of making me pick out matching panties and bras (which, lemme be honest, I love).




Sinimint -> RE: Punishment Suggestions (4/15/2007 3:20:17 AM)

1)  Paddles my ass with the hairbrush
2)  Has me sleep in the closet


They are punishments?  Wow - I'd love those - that would be a reward to me.

I thought that poor behaviour was never rewarded?

I agree with Ms C's ideas........




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Punishment Suggestions (4/15/2007 2:51:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Elorin
I find it hard to believe you are not more perceptive than to think that it promotes the dominant's ego and nothing else.
Of course the announcement promotes the dominant's PURPOSE. I leave it as an exercise to the reader what the purpose might be, and how it could be a ~punishment~ or make a punishment more effective, for a sub to publically announce they are being punished at a party and invite others to watch.

Sure, but again at what expense?  The fact is there are plenty of other methods which can and do work just as effectively WITHOUT imposing your own mess on others happy fun play time.  I don't want to watch a couple having a fight in public, nor do I want to see them announce the resolution.

Yes, at a party it's "don't look if you don't want" but we also operate under "don't be rude" and I find announcing your own punishment to be rude- whether it's at a vanilla partner or a kink one.




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koimizu -> RE: Punishment Suggestions (4/17/2007 12:09:43 PM)

*smiles brightly and bobs head*

For those who have posted ideas, i do give utter thanks and accept them fully as does the Sir.  Please allow if i may, a few calrafications which i have given to a few posters here in private emails in site.

The Sir who assigned the task of posting here is not my Sir, correct.  He is a trainer and has been asked in the past by other local on hand real life Dominants to train Their subs for Them.  One does not have to teach their own child to have that child be afforded an education in preschool or elementary.  There are broad aspects of service in BDSM that sadly tend to get glossed over or even forgotten in the day to day interactions of the vanilla world.  In order for me to grow more familar with many aspects of full and complete service, He has agreed to train me and for such i am honored.

This thread was not a commiseration or a gloating *inclines head respectfully for those who may have thought so*.  My nature is a private one and even if i enjoy exhibitionism on levels, as a slave (yes i am aware my profile says sub but listing as slave invites one too many nuts to assume and i would rather come to learn more about a Dominant or Couple before revealing what is an incredibly vulnerable and trust intensive reality to them TYVM) i do not like disappointing people even in passing through neglectful actions or inactions and to have my mistake presented in the much larger field here on CollarMe, it invoked the mental aspect of embarrassment.

As for the possibility of a lack of respect for my Trainer, i am sorry again that i gave such a harmful impression.  i would hate for it to seem that i did not respect His methodology or His property before others.

Trust, there was no pleasure in being asked to post this thread since Dominant and submissive/slaves i speak to afar and locally come here frequently to read the forums.  There is a pointed difference between one type of exhibitionism and the other.  That such could not be immediately seen and understood, i attribute to simple misunderstanding since i was not extremely clear in the first post. 

For any who have taken my other thread about the othello game as evidence of possible prideful enjoyment about a mock punishment. That was listed in the humor section because i found it funny, not because i desired to smirk over it in the least.  That and i had full permission from the Dominant that situation happened with since it was His idea to post it in the first place but my agreement to write it up. 

Ah, that happy C for Consensual in SSC.  It's crazy, i know.  *smiles*

For any who feel my use of: *smiles*, *bobs head*, *laughs* is again, evidence of purely living in the online aspect of BDSM, well i am terribly sorry but again, i do such in IMs with even local Doms and Couples or sub/slaves i speak with and attend events with mostly because that is how i am.  Online RP or other aside, that is my way and a sentence can be taken in a bad way if one cannot give it vocal inflection, so a *---* helps i think to convey the meaning.

Why not call?  Well not everyone has long distance to call up Illinois or even germany where they can IM for less.  What about the locals?  Well i could but many times such conversations happen while the other person is at work or i am and again, i do not wish to disrupt their day for a chat and one cannot plan every second and IMs mean one can have a conversation with a friend and get back to it when a free minute arrives at work or at home.  Besides, if one works from home, Instant Message is a definite hassle saver.

*GRINS*

Though for any who have queries or curiousities, please do feel free to email me here and i will clarify to the best of my abilities or if one has such for my Trainer, He has given permit for His ID here to be shared and cordially invites those polite inquiries to be made to Him as well at svipdagson.  Thank Y/ou all greatly.

Safe Journeys!!  *waves*

Oh...and the notion that if one dislikes an action or thing to ignore it is valid and incredibly powerful as a corrective tool.  With that in mind, if one dislikes a thread or its content, i am curious why one would post in it?  This is a curiousity alone mind Y/ou. 






LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Punishment Suggestions (4/17/2007 12:21:47 PM)

Well I certainly understand the concept of a trainer for specific things such as cooking or cleaning or filing or learning quicken for personal accounting- what exactly is he training you for which would entail giving you the keys to his car and his cell phone charger?

It helps to know the purpose and method of training if we are expected to give suggestions on how to react to your behavior.




masterdstar -> RE: Punishment Suggestions (4/17/2007 2:56:34 PM)

Oh so MANY punishments, so little time............it so depends on your Masters rules and temperment.
The punishment should fit the crime; I will pass along one fave of Mine, especialy for bad "lil girl slaves"seems small and EZ but it is not.
A spring loaded gag; two longish flat metal bars with a spring attached between and a tooth like rod, it is squeezed down to about and inch and then inserted into mouth, as the offenders :-) mouth is opened it stays there no matter how wide so it will indeed be a real nasty thing as the offender continues to try to adjust only forcing it to keep mouth open firther and further without any relief because the tooth like rod will only allow it to go in one direction.

Enjoy your wonder-filled day




Celeste43 -> RE: Punishment Suggestions (4/18/2007 5:28:18 AM)

BTW, looking at what you did wrong; locking keys, losing chargers, not taking care of the map - it occurs to me that this appears at first sight to be simple disorganization and poor time management. However, if this sort of thing is common for you, please go get assessed for ADD?ADHD. Because if it is the result of a brain chemistry disorder then punishment is worthless. You can't punish someone for being ill and have that cure the illness.

If it is poor organization skills then again punishment is worthless because punishment doesn't teach you the skills you need. And any worthwhile trainer would know when to teach skills and when to indulge his own needs for play/sadism/punishment etc. Since he's not yet even considered teaching you what you need to know, I would suggest you rethink what skills you believe you are learning here.

About the keys, I nearly locked both sets in the car the other day. His response was not to punish me for being that dumb but to insist we rearrange the day's schedule to go first and get an extra set made. Now there is an extra set of key's in a bowl in the kitchen for every car here. That way locking them in is not an emergency, just an annoyance. He did it once and simply had to wait till I could drive them up to him so he could unlock his car. By organizing it so there are extra keys in a safe place we no longer worry.




LovingSir -> RE: Punishment Suggestions (4/18/2007 5:30:26 PM)

My favorite punishment for behavior problems is standing in a corner. There is no physical pain involved (I save pain for pleasure, only) but the mental anguish of being isolated, ignored, and unable to interact is a powerful lesson.

Loving Sir




TigerNINTails -> RE: Punishment Suggestions (4/18/2007 11:13:51 PM)

I think everyone's pretty much covered every viewpoint that I could state on suggesting a "punishment" or a "discipline" in regards to the behavioural problem stated, though really, I wouldn't even call it a behavioural problem.

For me, when I engage in "punishment" it's for something severe... Malicious intent, either verbal or physical, lying to others, or in some cases, oneself, stealing, or cheating, no matter at what.

These deserve my punishments. Disciplines, are indeed a kink, and a strong one for me. I'm a bit of a disciplinarian, and attempt to instill self-discipline (to avoid a need for punishment), through the use of daily discipline in my slaves and those that I train.

Sometimes, this discipline is just for fun, but in other situations, it can be used as corrective, though I don't consider it a "punishment". I wouldn't even consider ignoring the slave as a punishment, though for some it may work. My thought on this is that you're pushing the problem outside of awareness, not actively seeking to provide a solution.

Direct interaction, a solid showing of displeasure in the action and time and time again it has been proven that behaviour improves, as it instills in the slave a desire to improve to avoid disappointment.

I agree that if there is a continued issue with organizational skills, hyper activity resulting in absent mindedness or lack of attention span, a visit to a medical physician and a psychiatrist might be in order to determine the presence of ADD or ADHD...

But then again, perhaps repetitive slowing of ones actions intentionally could also overcome the "not thinking" portion of what had occured. We all suffer this from time to time. As a result, we tell ourselves (usually) to slow down and double check what we're doing.

But I've found calling attention to it, calling attention to my disappointment and a stern "I don't want "sorry", I want it fixed." usually works well enough. Though there can be other aspects involved as well.

Most of the time (the other day, while it upset me, and I became irritable) the keys became locked in my slaves 4-Runner. Ya know what though? Chit happens. Watch your step. The point is that I told her make another key, this was done, the key was placed where she would always have it, no matter whom else had her vehicles keys (she has two sons, and one of them locked them in the truck, he incidentally, does have ADHD), so there really isn't anything to do but take preventative measures.

That seems to be the situation here. Take all preventative measures... When it's time to call, the alarm goes off... Call immediately. Procrastination kills. When using his car, go through checklist before you get out of the car... ( check the windows are up, keys out of ignition, into the purse, then open the door, DOUBLE check that keys are in your purse, then lock the doors, get out, etc.)

I'm much more prone to seek solutions to problems, than to discipline or even punish over recurring issues.

Just my two cents. Peace.[:D]




whipingherfeet -> RE: Punishment Suggestions (4/19/2007 5:29:54 AM)

have your master put you on a bed of rice for a least 4 hours in barefeet that should do it




CreativeOwner18 -> RE: Punishment Suggestions (4/20/2007 12:23:56 AM)

eh, most "punisments" arent really punishments at all. most enjoy the punishments and that really misses the point if you enjoy being spanked or other punishment

best punishments i have found are corner time. though i try to train slaves that disapointing me should be punishment enough




FelinePersuasion -> RE: Punishment Suggestions (4/20/2007 1:05:26 AM)

Not nessisarily, you can hit harder than they like, longer than they like, with impliments they do not like. I like spankings but Daddy has huge hands and 2 swatts from him, even in play makes me yelp.
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ORIGINAL: CreativeOwner18

eh, most "punisments" arent really punishments at all. most enjoy the punishments and that really misses the point if you enjoy being spanked or other punishment





BearsBreech -> RE: Punishment Suggestions (5/11/2007 8:47:30 PM)

I've frequently punished my submissives by tying them up and force feeding them baby food. Cold, strained peas are sooooooo disgusting! It is not something that most bottoms want to go through twice.
Bear




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