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ORIGINAL: ostrichman1951

Here's a fun one..I love it:

shotgun preteen vs. illegal alien home invaders
NRA files
Butte Montana
November 5, 2006

Home invasion gone wrong for criminals.

Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez 23 and Enrico Garza 26, probably
believed they would easily overpower a home alone 11 year old Patricia
Harrington after her father had left their two story home.

It seems the two crooks never learned two things, they were in Montana
and Patricia had been a clay shooting champion since she was nine.
Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through the
front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room and
grabbed his 12 gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun.

Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the
first to catch a near point blank blast of buck shot from the 11 year
olds knee crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and
genitals. When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to
the left shoulder and staggered out into the street where he bled to
death before medical help could arrive.

It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45 caliber
handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. The victim, 50 year
old David Burien, was not so lucky as he died from stab wounds to the
chest.

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ORIGINAL: ostrichman1951

juliaoceana said, "People should learn about the adrenaline response, the facts of how to prevent home invasion, and many other things, instead of relying on a handgun to be their sole protection." ..

The problem here is that we now have a couple of generations of sheeple that have been taught and brainwashed to "not hit back" (self-defense).. they've been "drugged" down .. and "de-balled" psychologically and I doubt they even HAVE an adrenaline response .. to obediently let some scumsucking vermin line them up against a wall so he could shoot them one by one?  How about ducking and dodging and how about everyone pick up a chair and throw it at the SOB?.. and start running and scattering around the room creating chaos for him to deal with? .. and how about going AFTER the MF (flight 93)? .. I have sympathy for his family, but no sympathy for that worthless piece of human feces .. too bad he wasn't run over by a garbage truck a couple of days before that .. but at least he's outta the "gene" pool and won't breed any more of his filth ..
Too bad just one of those students or teachers didn't have a hand gun ..

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ORIGINAL: Archer

Shooting at various distances at small targets (2 liter bottles work good about the right size too)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

So someone that learned to use a gun on a calm day at the shooting range is not going to know how to fire it perhaps when an assailant attacks them. They may not even have access to that gun. It seems smarter to train with the weapons God gave me, I always have access to those, and if i learn how to fight when I have adrenaline coursing through me, I will be even that much more effective.

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ORIGINAL: Archer

Doubt as you will I've been shot at twice faced a knife once and been 1/8 of an inch from shooting someone during 6 years as an armed security officer I've arrested and held for the police 3 suspects. I'm I an authority? Nope but I did have training and cited the figures as figures cited to me during training not as if I was an authority so take a pill. Mr Expert

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ORIGINAL: Archer

Likely about similar odds that they have been trained to effectivly fight off an attack at all, weapon or not.
I'm not advocating wild west gun totin, I'm advocating trained use if you're gonna have one for defense then get training real training.
something beyond the calm day at the range as you say.
Actually multiple training is even better,  the same training SInergy advocates would do alot of good for folks who augment their defense with firearms.
The methods of cutting through the fuzziness would be transferable to any defense method.

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ORIGINAL: Archer

Ah so nice to see you back on jumping to conclussions form Sinergy.
I cited those as exercises that make the training more stressfull than a "calm day at the range", not as some full system of training, but then again you knew that already. Pretty tough to do full speed, and perfect simulation of gun use wouldn't you say.
So as with any training you make sacrifices in perfect simulation for safety.

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ORIGINAL: Archer

You knew darned well I was not putting it forth as a complete system for training. yet you put forth the absurd idea that I was although it was in the form of a sarcastic question. You attempted to make it seem like it was a full possition when it was in fact not.
Part of an idea that adding stress to shooting practice makes for a better results when you face real stress was the possition.
Using the bottles was one method of increasing the stress, practicing draw and fire another part practices muscel memory for the fact that you will almost never find yourself in  a shooting situation where the gun is already out of the holster, I'm quite sure your armed and unarmed defense teachings address the same type issue.
So what part of the actual possition (That to train for gun use one should include training that to the safest extent possible increases the stress level to something above a walk to the bathroom, Shoot at targets roughly the same size as the area you really want to hit and practice getting the gun from the holster into use as will most commonly be the case) is it that you disagree with?