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hepatitus exposures without consent - 4/19/2007 1:44:45 PM   
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Hello All,
I just found out a lady in the local community is positive for hepatitis.
She and I spent an evening in a hot tub at a friends home together last month.
I feel before we both got into this tub together she should have told me she was a carrier.
Yes, I know it's not that easy to catch the disease except by sexual contact or sharing needles usually.
My concern starts with this was a private home hot tub with light chemicals in the water.
I also know being I'm a kidney donor my immune system's not as strong as most peoples is.
I'm highly offended she did not tell us and in my opinion exposed me to her illness.
Do you feel I am rightly offended or just a little neurotic and I have nothing to worry about?
suzanne
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RE: hepatitus exposures without consent - 4/19/2007 3:57:40 PM   
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I don't know how contagious hep is--honestly, I need to read more about it before giving you any information on that- however, I believe she should have told you without a doubt about her medical condition-- you had every right to know about anything contagious. Maybe this site will help you. I pray you are not affected in any way by this woman's careless behaviour. www.hepatitis.org/   maybe this site can help you...

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RE: hepatitus exposures without consent - 4/19/2007 5:20:53 PM   
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Have you contacted your own physician?

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RE: hepatitus exposures without consent - 4/19/2007 5:24:53 PM   
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As a child I remember Hepatitus was very contagious, and a friend of mine and her entire family had to be put into quarantee for almost 2 months.  I would inquire as to the form of the disease she is carrying and go get tested especially with the exchange of body fluids which is inevidable in hot tubs.  Get tested !

And she shouild have disclosed this information so you could have made a decision to continue or not.  This is kind of where crap starts is one person not informing others.  I hear there is a lifestyle community in Canada that has a herpes problem, and I suspect due to some person not telling another.  Pretty sad imo.

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RE: hepatitus exposures without consent - 4/19/2007 6:01:39 PM   
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Hep A is transmitted via oral contact with contaminated feces/sewage.
Hep B is transmitted via sharing of bodily fluids.
Hep C is transmitted by blood-to-blood contact only.

You're not going to catch hepatitis from being in a hot tub with an infected person unless you're engaging in any of the above acts or you both have open bleeding sores, and then, you only might catch it.  You've got no reason whatsoever to be offended and you're overreacting.

That being said, anyone who has medical insurance or can otherwise afford it should get vaccinated for hep A/B.

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RE: hepatitus exposures without consent - 4/19/2007 6:15:20 PM   
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Hep A is transmitted via oral contact with contaminated feces/sewage.
Hep B is transmitted via sharing of bodily fluids.
Hep C is transmitted by blood-to-blood contact only.


Then why when a restaurant worker is diagnosed with hepitits everyone who ate there is told to go get a shot?

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RE: hepatitus exposures without consent - 4/19/2007 6:23:42 PM   
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Because restaurant outbreaks are usually caused by some infected worker going to the bathroom, not washing their hands properly and exposing their co-workers/patrons.  Just like with e.coli.

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RE: hepatitus exposures without consent - 4/19/2007 6:49:49 PM   
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Onestandingstill:

stef said it best. Probably less than 1% chance of it survivng in chlorinated water.

This is my personal experience, maybe it will relieve you a bit. My brother has Hep C. I have taken a bite of his sandwich, been in the same hot tub as him, taken a sip of his drink and all the other normal stuff people do with no ill effects. I do wear gloves if he cuts himself and needs a bandage or wound cleaning. I don't let him help out with food products if he has a cut or sore. His wife has had far more frequent and intimate contact with him and she doesn't wear gloves when she cleans up a cut or sore and is negative for Hep C.. They have been together 11 years and he has had it the whole time.
A friend of mine and my brother and sister in law vacation together at the same resort every year, every year others come with us, we try and get a group of 10. Some he knows, some are friends of a friend. He has never warned anyone about his Hep C status when we all get in the hot tub. It never occured to me and I am sure not to him , since he is very good about telling people who may come in contact with his blood.

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RE: hepatitus exposures without consent - 4/19/2007 7:51:28 PM   
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I personally would be worried, I suggest you contact your MD and explain what has happened.  I would also ask him the risks considering your health status to being in a public/private hot tub that is shared by others that you may not know as well as you could.

Personally I never use hot tubs unless it is my own at home and I am in control of the occupants and chemicals. 

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RE: hepatitus exposures without consent - 4/19/2007 8:00:29 PM   
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First off, Stef's information is absolutely correct...so there is not reason for alarm, again, unless you were engaging in some sort of risky behavior with that person and then that depends of the type of Hep...

But frankly, I am more concerned with this woman's personal medical information being leaked throughout the community. I find it deplorable that someone would divulge such personal information. If the woman in question had wanted you to know her status, I'm quite sure she would've shared the info with you. Additionally, whoever informed you of her Hep status could, in fact, be mistaken.

Just something to think about.

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RE: hepatitus exposures without consent - 4/19/2007 8:18:06 PM   
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I personally would be worried, I suggest you contact your MD and explain what has happened.  I would also ask him the risks considering your health status to being in a public/private hot tub that is shared by others that you may not know as well as you could.

Personally I never use hot tubs unless it is my own at home and I am in control of the occupants and chemicals. 

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scroll down to Page 8.. It addresses Hepatitis and blood born pathogens and the non existance of risk in water.
http://www.kdheks.gov/bch/download/RWI_Guidelines.pdf

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RE: hepatitus exposures without consent - 4/20/2007 2:20:03 AM   
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quote:

But frankly, I am more concerned with this woman's personal medical information being leaked throughout the community. I find it deplorable that someone would divulge such personal information. If the woman in question had wanted you to know her status, I'm quite sure she would've shared the info with you.
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Ordinarily, I would agree w/ a right to privacy.  However, if there is someone out there knowingly putting people at risk, then that person has lost their right to privacy, in my strong opinion.   I just learned of someone in my community who has Hep C, but is not telling anyone and still engaging in blood and needle play with a wide variety of people.  I am very alarmed as I have several chronic illnesses, and if I were to be exposed to Hepatitis, I would not survive.   I do not want to spread rumors, however I doubt that the individual in question is likely to give me an honest answer should I ask them directly.  I fully believe the person who told me.  This is a quandry....any suggestions?

  








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RE: hepatitus exposures without consent - 4/20/2007 6:54:08 AM   
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Hello All,
I actually have a Doctors appointment tomorrow at 11:30 as I was really distressed.
Thank you for all your responses.
Your support of my dilemma is definitely having a peaceful tonic effect & calming me down bunches.
This girl also is engaging in needle play in our PUBLIC DUNGEONS here.
She does have the courtesy of telling the Doms she does this with. 
I found out as a good friend of mine opted out of playing with her & I was fussing at him for disappointing my friend and backing out of their date.
I still think she should NOT be doing anything that exposes her blood or fluids in the public dungeons without having full plastic around and under her at minimum.
Just like you sandy, I don't know quite how to deal with this in the public community.
It's like I feel I don't want to be her accomplice, but at the same time I don't condone tattle tailing nor grapevine discussions as it's such a daunting thing already in the community I dislike immensely.

I'm so very offended I've not spoken to her yet as I need to get a firm grip on my indignance and anger before I approach her.
I have no idea as to what even to say to her.
Again thanks for calming my fears & I'll let you know what my Doc says Monday,
suzanne

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RE: hepatitis exposures without consent - 4/20/2007 7:16:49 AM   
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I also agree with stef, the chances of you contacting any thing in a hot tub is slim to none however the lady thats a carrier should be open about her condition..

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RE: hepatitus exposures without consent - 4/20/2007 7:49:14 AM   
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I used to work for the community mental health system, in adult foster  care  and day programs  for the developementally disabled, and many of our clients  were afflicted with hepatitis.    Steph, mbmbn, and Mistressnoname are correct.    I was once bitten by a client with HepC the skin was broken...etc....and was not contaminated.  As a precaution of course, i was given a vaccination, but my training in the handling of such is consistant with what the posters i mentioned have said.
Our clients swam in the local lake, and the local community swimming pool. I'm confident, that if this were "risky" behaviour then it would not have been permitted.
I'm also  concerned about this persons  condition is being talked about in such a manner.  aside from wearing gloves when dealing with body fluids, we also used a bleach and water solution to sanitize any areas that came into contact with body fluids.  This is an osha approved method for sanitizing surfaces.  

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RE: hepatitus exposures without consent - 4/20/2007 9:19:01 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sandylioness

quote:

But frankly, I am more concerned with this woman's personal medical information being leaked throughout the community. I find it deplorable that someone would divulge such personal information. If the woman in question had wanted you to know her status, I'm quite sure she would've shared the info with you.
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ORIGINAL: MistressNoName

Ordinarily, I would agree w/ a right to privacy. However, if there is someone out there knowingly putting people at risk, then that person has lost their right to privacy, in my strong opinion. I just learned of someone in my community who has Hep C, but is not telling anyone and still engaging in blood and needle play with a wide variety of people. I am very alarmed as I have several chronic illnesses, and if I were to be exposed to Hepatitis, I would not survive. I do not want to spread rumors, however I doubt that the individual in question is likely to give me an honest answer should I ask them directly. I fully believe the person who told me. This is a quandry....any suggestions?




Yes, I do have some suggestions...1) Observe universal precautions during play to protect yourself and your partners, 2) maintain "fluid-bound" relationships, 3) know who you are playing with by asking direct questions, 4) practice good scene negotiating skills 5) respect the privacy of others.

Now, I think it's pretty safe to say that there are some people within our community who may be carrying any assortment of potentially communicable diseases. If this person does in fact have Hep C, (and this is still unconfirmed) what makes you believe that this person has not discussed this with her/his play partners and that they are not fully aware of the risks before they engaged in play with this individual? It sounds like you do not know this for sure because you have not had a direct conversation with the individual to find out. So, here is another suggestion, if this issue concerns you, consider trying to educate people in your local community by offering a universal precautions workshop which focuses on the importance of self-protection and the reasons for this (ie, the fact that some ppl may not fully disclose their health status to everyone they play with).

And another suggestion, talk to this individual about your concerns. He/she may not be receptive at first, but an attempt made out of genuine concern is often better-received than finding out about rumors being spread like wildfire. And, bottomline, if all else fails, there is always your local dept of health where you can anonymously report any concerns over the spread of disease in your community.

Be well, play safe,

MNN

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RE: hepatitus exposures without consent - 4/20/2007 9:21:37 AM   
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Sorry, I have no idea how to "unquote" my previous post...

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RE: hepatitus exposures without consent - 4/20/2007 11:25:59 PM   
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I'm so very offended I've not spoken to her yet as I need to get a firm grip on my indignance and anger before I approach her.
I have no idea as to what even to say to her.
Again thanks for calming my fears & I'll let you know what my Doc says Monday,
suzanne


I am really trying to understand your anger at this person. If she has been told that she is not a health risk and it is ok for her to go into a hot tub with her condition, and your own doctor tells you the same, are you still going to be angry with this person? That sounds kinda irrational to me.

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RE: hepatitus exposures without consent - 4/21/2007 12:31:43 AM   
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Recently at work I heard something about Hep B antigen? (I think it was called) About it not bring contagious, but maybe?
What the heck is that about?

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RE: hepatitus exposures without consent - 4/21/2007 4:31:05 AM   
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Hepatitis virusses are very ugly monsters. In general I am opposed to vaccinations, but I am quite willing to make an exception for the hepatitis virusses. A woman that I know was infected and is now also schizophrenic and has stones in her pancreas. In my investigation of the cause of diabetes I also found a link with hepatitis C.

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