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Need help..restless leg syndrom - 4/24/2007 11:19:11 AM   
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It has recently been discovered I now suffer from this thing...Like I need more problems....anyways....I don't like taking drugs, have a bad history with drug abuse....smoking helps to relieve it some, but being asthmatic....I don't want to keep smoking either. Does anyone know of something natural that I can do to help keep my legs from trying to run away on me?
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RE: Need help..restless leg syndrom - 4/24/2007 11:29:57 AM   
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Exhaust yourself so much during the day that you don't notice when you sleep?

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RE: Need help..restless leg syndrom - 4/24/2007 11:43:31 AM   
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Things aside from pharmaceuticals that have been shown to be effective for some people are:

Cutting out caffeine from their diets
Regular exercise
Warm Baths
Tens units
Magnesium Supplements
Quitting Smoking
Eliminating alcohol consumption
Acupuncture
Developing regular sleep schedule

You may also wish to search for homeopathic treatments and remedies as there are many.


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RE: Need help..restless leg syndrom - 4/24/2007 12:26:47 PM   
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Exhaust yourself so much during the day that you don't notice when you sleep?


Easier said than done on that hun...I don't sleep very much. And it happens even when i'm not trying to sleep. Tell ya, it gets verying annoying during playtime. Kinda hard to do one thing and your legs are trying to go in a different direction.
 
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Cutting out caffeine from their diets
Regular exercise
Warm Baths
Tens units
Magnesium Supplements
Quitting Smoking
Eliminating alcohol consumption
Acupuncture
Developing regular sleep schedule


Most what I drink is juices, diet soda, decaf coffee and water.I excersise daily (trying to loose weight and get healthy again). Unfortunately, still too big for a standard tub...be looking forwards to that again, I love warm baths. Have no clue what Tens Units are. Will check local drugs store for the Magnesium Suplements. Right now, smoking is the only thing that even calms it, even just a tad. Haven't had any alchohol since the first of the year. Acupuncture sounds painfull..could be fun. Regular sleep schedule?? That would be nice.
 
Thank you both for the help. Will do a search as well.
 
 

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RE: Need help..restless leg syndrom - 4/24/2007 12:37:49 PM   
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Get your thryroid levels checked.  Although not common, an underactive thryroid can cause severe leg cramping.  It did to me.  Once I got that under control my night time/restless leg cramping stopped.  One other thing is to make sure your calcium intake is adequate.  Calcium depletion can also cause leg cramping.

Another area to check is to make sure your legs are not positioned in such a way that you are cutting off circulation during sleep.  Try a pillow between your knees if you are a side sleeper or under your lower legs if a back sleeper.  Don't wear any bedclothes that restrict circulation from the waist down either.  Lastly, some people use a soft brace to keep their ankles and feet in position of function (no foot drop or toes pointing down) since this can cause cramps too.

Hope you get some relief soon.  These kinds of things can be miserable to deal with.

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Aspartame is POISON - 4/24/2007 12:38:26 PM   
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Diet sodas... aspartame is NOT your friend!!! I would encourage you to research this.

For the restless legs, what worked for me was: POTASSIUM supplements.

Any health food store will sell these. I would take one at bedtime or if wakened by the discomfort.

Think about it: we are so SALT (Sodium) heavy in our typical diet... yet our body's electrolyte system requires a balance between Sodium and Potassium to be healthy. Raw vegetables and fruits (especially celery and bananas) are high in Potassium... and such would in more primitive times have been more prevalent in a natural diet.

Worth a try.

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RE: Need help..restless leg syndrom - 4/24/2007 12:45:00 PM   
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Read this: http://www.soberrecovery.com/forums/anxiety-disorders/51603-restless-leg-syndrom.html

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RE: Need help..restless leg syndrom - 4/24/2007 12:45:20 PM   
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I'm surprised that smoking calms it for you. Smoking has been proven to increase the sensations. One thing you may want to do is have your iron levels checked...there has been some links between RLS and iron deficiency.

Leg cramps are a completely different thing and have completely different causes. You have been clinically diagnosed with RLS correct?

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RE: Need help..restless leg syndrom - 4/24/2007 1:52:51 PM   
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fast reply, as RLS is frequently a symptom of something else, you might try identifying the source and going from there [for example i had mild RLS from PTSD as do most RLS sufferers.]

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RE: Need help..restless leg syndrom - 4/24/2007 2:43:38 PM   
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Get more exercise.

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RE: Need help..restless leg syndrom - 4/24/2007 3:18:58 PM   
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First if the RLS is so bad that it is interfering with your sleep then consider pharmaceutical agents.  There are many medications used that are not in the least addictive or dependency provoking.  The usual agents shown to be effective are also used to treat Parkinsonism such as levodopa and the new Requip.  As far as non pharmaceutical interventions the best is moderate exercise such as walking about one hour before bed.  TENS units are electrical stimulators with pads that attach at various points and stimulate the nerves and muscles.

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RE: Need help..restless leg syndrom - 4/24/2007 3:47:34 PM   
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I've RLS and truly the medications for it are not the type of medications that are 'addictive'. Along with all the other suggestions, the quitting smoking is a vital one. If you are going to load up on supplements it is always a good idea to run it by your doctor especially if you've other ailments going on.
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RE: Need help..restless leg syndrom - 4/24/2007 4:03:23 PM   
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As opposed to try to respond to everything here...I will say I have read everything and have copied all into notepad for reference and am also checking things further online.

Rapheal....I excersise daily, or did you not see that statement? A person can only do so much excerise.

Sweetbobbie.....I actually have one of those things. Just didn't remember what it's called. Got it years ago after a car accident left me with back problems.

I have to see my doc again next month and will be discussing this problem further and will run everything said here by him and see what he says. Thank you all for the advice and help.

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RE: Need help..restless leg syndrom - 4/26/2007 12:07:09 AM   
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I had an ex who used to suffer from RLS.  It always seemed to be worse at night.  Massaging his legs used to help him to get back to sleep or to ease the symptoms when they were particularly annoying.

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RE: Need help..restless leg syndrom - 4/28/2007 7:54:09 AM   
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I tend to agree with most of the excellent advice above and would like to add a few remarks inspired by my own experiences and those of my patients.
RLS can be caused by a number of things: e.g. PTSD, nutritive deficiencies, hidden food allergies (or other immunological problems) and dehydration.

With your citing of a car accident and back problems, PTSD is a very probable factor. That's for a neurologist or traumatologist, not for a forum, I'm afraid. It's best trying to take away other possible aggravating factors.

Mineral deficiencies, as already stated, are a very common cause. In the order I see it in my practice: magnesium, potassium and calcium. You might start suppletion in that order and experiment, so you don't take supplements you don't need. There tends to be a large deficit in magnesium and potassium in the modern diet, as compared to the optimal "stone age" diet, for which we were designed. Calcium is not so much a problem as widely advertised, most of the time it is more an uptake than an intake thing and calcium is used by the body to neutralise over-acidic situations, caused by our western diet.

Thyroid levels: the thyroid is not always the culprit. Insufficient conversion of inactive T4 into the active T3 form is dependent on Selenium. A moderate suppletion with an organic form of selenium like seleno-methionin could be considered.

"Aspartame is not your friend": well said! Try and see what quitting products containing aspartame does for you. Not everyone is sensitive; just quit for a few weeks and then re-introduce again to see if complaints go and return. Especially the diluted form of aspartame (soda drinks stored in warm environments) seems to give more complaints because of harmful metabolites.

Subclinical food-allergies could play a role, as most affected joints are rich in lymph-nodes, that could react to immunological agents circulating in the blood (chemokines, cytokines). Tissue dehydration might just make the difference in the biochemistry going on there, so try to drink a large glass of water when the RLS pops up and see what happens in about 20 minutes. This is the one thing that does the trick for me every night! The gain of sleep outweighs the possible extra visits to the bathroom during the night!
Extensive food intolerance essays can reveal hidden food intolerances, at a considerable cost though. It is not looked upon favourably by mainstream medicine and it is not covered by health insurance. Google a combination of "York allergy food test" for more information. This could be the thing for you if you have lots of vague unexplained complaints like malaise, problems with weight loss, regularly occurring infections, allergies, fatigue etc. 

Warm showers (not too hot!) on the affected joints might help by increasing the blood flow. I do not understand how smoking helps you, because it rather tends to reduce blood flow. Quitting smoking is one of the things you can do against RLS, as stated above!

Excercise should be of the light kind, improving circulation around the joints by flexing and stretching them, rather than the kind that adds muscle and burns calories. It's good for the veins too, as an impaired venal return flow can add to the problem.

In my view, the suggested pharmaceuticals would be an option only as a means of last resort. They do have adverse side effects. I won't name them here, as one can find them in a few seconds on the internet. Because it influences sleeping behaviour, I would not recommend this to the OP as a remedy of first choice.
Ropinirol (tradename Requip) is marketed in Europe as Requip for Parkinson only and as Adartrel for RLS, but this could be different in the USA. Inform yourself on this drug too, as it is not free of adverse effects, including sometimes worsening of RLS and sleep attacks during daytime activities.

This is meant as information only and is no substitute for a consultation with your own medical professional of choice.

Hope any of this may help you. Please let me know if it does; the extra information may help other patients!

K/R

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RE: Need help..restless leg syndrom - 4/28/2007 9:54:31 AM   
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Thank you for this info kazinja. Was an interesting read. I see my doc again in just a little over a week and will be discussing everything suggested here and his own idea and see what we can come up with.

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RE: Need help..restless leg syndrom - 4/28/2007 10:08:57 AM   
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hello, i noticed that you were working on loosing wieght also. family introduced me to a "diet" that is used by a very prominent hospital in washington state where i live. it's used by them for weight loss in their heart patients. maybe it would help you as it has been helping me and others i know. i like to share it because it has made many i know happier with themselves. me included. :) lady
 
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RE: Need help..restless leg syndrom - 4/28/2007 10:15:56 AM   
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Interesting diet....just might try it. Only problem I see in it is the milk. I'm allergic to milk, although I do drink it once in a while as I like milk....but I sure do pay for it after.  Thanks teachme, will definately keep this in mind.

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RE: Need help..restless leg syndrom - 4/28/2007 10:16:36 AM   
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quote:

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It has recently been discovered I now suffer from this thing...Like I need more problems....anyways....I don't like taking drugs, have a bad history with drug abuse....smoking helps to relieve it some, but being asthmatic....I don't want to keep smoking either. Does anyone know of something natural that I can do to help keep my legs from trying to run away on me?

Quinine.

YOu can find it in tonic water. Mix it with some orange juice or something flavorable and have a glass every day. Once you start using it though, it is the k ind  of drug that if you stop, the symptoms will come back twice as bad.

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RE: Need help..restless leg syndrom - 4/28/2007 11:53:11 AM   
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in my family some of the members have the same same problem with milk. they found that if they used acidophilous milk they had fewer problems with the same milk qualities. and you are very welcome. :) have a pleasant day A/all.

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