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RE: o====·.,¸,.-·<ŦHΞ LΞGÂL BΞÂGÂLo====·.... - 5/29/2004 11:09:48 PM   
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Here's a link to an articled related to BDSM and the Law

http://www.io.com/~ambrosio/law/law.html

and, not directly related to your topic, MistressDread, but fascinating nonetheless:

http://www.geocities.com/ambrosio_sa/jovanovic.html - i've never heard of this case, but it's intriguing.

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RE: o====·.,¸,.-·<ŦHΞ LΞGÂL BΞÂGÂLo====·.... - 5/29/2004 11:30:11 PM   
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quote:

Here's a link to an articled related to BDSM and the Law

http://www.io.com/~ambrosio/law/law.html



Interesting article rain, this excerpt caught my attention since i am in WA, and i seldom close my blinds, however we do live in a rural area so i doubt if anyone has seen us. I even get on the treadmill naked at times in front of a window lol.


INDECENT EXPOSURE

In Washington, this is a misdemeanor crime unless you expose yourself to someone under the age of 14, in which case it becomes a felony.

You must expose yourself in an open and obscene manner to have committed this crime. Here it has been held sufficient to charge you with indecent exposure if you are in your own house/apartment and someone can see in to your house/apartment.

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RE: o====·.,¸,.-·<ŦHΞ LΞGÂL BΞÂGÂLo====·.... - 5/29/2004 11:34:38 PM   
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very good start proudsub


I'm still searching MistressDread. So far the only mention of their patrons i have found is that there were eight of them at the party when the child drowned. My conclusion at this point is that noone else was charged (except for the father of the child) or they would of mentioned it in one of the articles.

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RE: o====·.,¸,.-·<ŦHΞ LΞGÂL BΞÂGÂLo====·.... - 5/30/2004 12:05:31 AM   
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proudsub, was the party going on when the child drowned?

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RE: o====·.,¸,.-·<ŦHΞ LΞGÂL BΞÂGÂLo====·.... - 5/30/2004 12:37:48 AM   
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proudsub, was the party going on when the child drowned?


Yes it was a Memorial Day party. The child's father was inside doing PCP. Two children ages 7 and 3 were by the pool and it was determined that the 7 yr old pushed the 3 yr old into the pool. The other adults apparently were inside. The articles i read didn't say if any bdsm activity was going on at the time.

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RE: o====·.,¸,.-·<ŦHΞ LΞGÂL BΞÂGÂLo====·.... - 5/30/2004 1:36:51 AM   
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Lol. Well I guess it was a case of the government harrassing two perfectly innocent people because of their lifestyle. It's amazing how different the real story has become.
A child is dead and I don't recall seeing that in the original post. Seems to me, 2 years probation wasn't nearly enough.

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RE: o====·.,¸,.-·<ŦHΞ LΞGÂL BΞÂGÂLo====·.... - 5/30/2004 5:38:00 AM   
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A child dies while the parent is in another part of the house using an illegal narcotic.

This is not a BDSM related story even if there was a dungeon on the premises. The parents recklessly endangered the life of a child in their care.

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RE: o====·.,¸,.-·<ŦHΞ LΞGÂL BΞÂGÂLo====·.... - 5/30/2004 6:19:34 AM   
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hahah ohhh Estring
with out knowing the
situation You assume
who said it was their
kid? mayybee not and
what of it if the children
live in a home that practices
a lifestyle different from
societys norm? You are
soundin more non lifestyle
then lifestyle Estring are
You sure You practice
Non conformity to society?
hhhahhah. The laws as they
are today do go out to get
people when they are vague
and infringe on constution rights.
so what if I had a dungeon in MY
Home? Ive seen illigal drug producers
to get off lighter having a processing
plant in their basement. I dident make
it sound like anything E as it was not My
words posted but anothers. I simply posted
whats found for others to know what goes
on in Our System with OUR People and
the law.
~smiles~
You seem to take issue that I show things
for what they are. Ive always had dungeons
where I live, do You think I should be busted
and given probation for it E? I dont. My House,
My Lifestyle, My Right by constitution to pursue
My happiness. Now E lets give sub a chance to
do her assignment and get all the details down
befor We argue the reasons for such issues please,
there ISSSS a reason that I sent the supersniffer
on assignment. ~smiles!~ JMO

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RE: o====·.,¸,.-·<ŦHΞ LΞGÂL BΞÂGÂLo====·.... - 5/30/2004 12:07:05 PM   
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Estring and anyone else interested, i am putting together excerpts from all the articles on the case to post here so you get the whole story, just give me a day plz. But i still haven't found out anything about the patrons, the search goes on.

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RE: o====·.,¸,.-·<ŦHΞ LΞGÂL BΞÂGÂLo====·.... - 5/30/2004 12:55:41 PM   
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Dread, my goal in life is not to be a noncomformist. I live by what I believe is right for me. And I understand that society may not agree with all that I do.
But you seem to have conveniently left out the fact that a child died when you first posted this story. As usual, you are promoting an agenda. Truth be damned.
Whether you agree or not, if you break the laws in this society you live in, you will suffer the consequences. And as far as I'm concerned, if a child dies in your custody, if you are negligent, then you should be punished. And two years probation is pretty lenient. Unlike you Dread, I feel children should be protected.

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RE: o====·.,¸,.-·<ŦHΞ LΞGÂL BΞÂGÂLo====·.... - 5/30/2004 1:32:27 PM   
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quote:

And as far as I'm concerned, if a child dies in your custody, if you are negligent, then you should be punished.


I agree with this 100%.

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RE: o====·.,¸,.-·<ŦHΞ LΞGÂL BΞÂGÂLo====·.... - 5/30/2004 5:47:52 PM   
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You are totally missing the story Estring
this is not about a child dieing, if it were
it would of been mentioned in the article
and again dont blast the bringer of the news
I mearly reposted anothers words they are
not Mine. LOL.Who said the child was in the
care of the people whom were busted for a
dungeon? Not I. In fact the words I posted
stated nothing on this fact Estring because
it was not in the final judgement nor was it
a factor in the punishment for those whom
had the dungeon it was only the reason that
it was found out thru what proudsub posted in
her assignment and again I emplore You to
wait till she posts what her findings are befor
You go off the deep end at Me. Again for the
second tiime I will tell You that these are not
My words they are the words of another so
Do not tempt judge Me on sumone elses leaving
out the child scheme on this or on My beliefs
concerning children nor whom might actually
be the one at fault for a childs death. I posted
this discussion concerning people whom are
paying for having a private dungeon
in their House. This punishment was NOT
FOR THE DEATH OF A CHILD. Go to the
article and read it for Your self befor You go
blasting off on what I posted Estring.
GAWDDD. That goes for You as well Sinergy.
LOL OHHHH the life of a reporter............
LOL

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RE: o====·.,¸,.-·<ŦHΞ LΞGÂL BΞÂGÂLo====·.... - 5/30/2004 5:52:26 PM   
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~gets out the sheild and sword and stands
in protection mode in front of where proudsub
will enter so that she has a chance to speak befor
being trampled down by the sooth sayers and
babbling whooptiieee do eerrs whom speak befor
knowing Allll the facts.......0=]]]]===>>>>

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RE: o====·.,¸,.-·<ŦHΞ LΞGÂL BΞÂGÂLo====·.... - 5/30/2004 8:14:49 PM   
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quote:

gets out the sheild and sword and stands
in protection mode in front of where proudsub
will enter so that she has a chance to speak befor
being trampled down by the sooth sayers and
babbling whooptiieee do eerrs whom speak befor
knowing Allll the facts.......0=]]]]===>>>>


AHHHHHH ty MistressDread, i think i will need all the protection i can get. I am still having trouble finding the information you asked for. I have read every article i could find and i can draw my own conclusions but they would be based on deduction not facts. I have emailed a friend in the lifestyle that lives in PA hoping he can help me. Please be patient.

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RE: o====·.,¸,.-·<ŦHΞ LΞGÂL BΞÂGÂLo====·.... - 5/30/2004 9:13:03 PM   
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My point is, the law didn't just break down these people's door looking for D/s lifestylers, which was your presumption and reason for posting the story in the first place Dread. The dungeon was found because of a child abuse investigation. And in my opinion, of course the law will investigate that. And after all that, they got two years probation. So where is the problem?

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RE: o====·.,¸,.-·<ŦHΞ LΞGÂL BΞÂGÂLo====·.... - 5/31/2004 4:21:58 AM   
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proud sub there is one sentance in sum of the articles that cover what you seek but also you can see if PA puts their public records on internet yet and search for the police record as well to gain sum insite if you havent found your answers yet. You can also do a search of Their names and cross referance it in the court cases waiting for supreme court rulings.

No it was not My presumption Estring
When you come to Me to bust Me for
child abuse so be it. Do not throw in
the kitchen sink of sumone elses
which has nothing to do with the
offence being addressed remember it
was a child from next door who killed the
child not the father and they were only going
after him for not keeping a eye on his child.
but the mother whom was not even home then
and others whom were not even present
and had nothing to do with the case were also
charged and with sumthing not even associated
with the case at hand but the dungeon. And yes
in My Opinion this was wrong and I do feel they
will win their case of such in the supreme court. JMO

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RE: o====·.,¸,.-·<ŦHΞ LΞGÂL BΞÂGÂLo====·.... - 6/1/2004 3:48:06 PM   
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I dont mean to change the subject, but I had a girlfriend that had gotten in trouble with domestic violence. While the police were there they discovered a dungeon setup in the basement. They ended up confiscating everything and took her to jail for domestic violence I really dont know why they took her stuff. Mabey because they thought it had something to do with the domestic violence.

I had another girlfriend that had a dungeon, got charged with prostitution and had all her stuff confiscated. I didn't think they could do that until she told me. They wanted to sell all her stuff back to her. Pretty sad.......

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RE: o====·.,¸,.-·<ŦHΞ LΞGÂL BΞÂGÂLo====·.... - 6/1/2004 4:25:07 PM   
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quote:

but the mother whom was not even home then
and others whom were not even present
and had nothing to do with the case were also
charged and with sumthing not even associated
with the case at hand but the dungeon.


I think you just answered what i was looking for MistresDread LOL, but i haven't had time for any more research with 2 days of golf and house guests still here, so sorry.

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RE: o====·.,¸,.-·<ŦHΞ LΞGÂL BΞÂGÂLo====·.... - 6/1/2004 4:46:02 PM   
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Ok here are enough excerpts from newspaper articles to give you a picture of most of what happened. I apologize for not referencing each quote but they are all from either the Philadelphia Inquirer, The CourierPost Online (South Jersey), or the Associated Press.

Cherry Hill couple get probation
Saturday, March 8, 2003
Dominatrix, partner sentenced for promoting prostitution plan to file appeal
By MICHAEL T. BURKHART
Courier-Post Staff
CAMDEN
A Cherry Hill couple, who described themselves as a sex dominatrix and a dungeonmaster in a home-based business, were each sentenced Friday to two years of probation for promoting prostitution.
Dorina Pizio, known as Mistress Christianna, and Martin Hunsinger Jr. had lived quietly in their West Valleybrook Road rancher, near the township's Woodcrest community, until a visiting child died in their swimming pool in 1998.
Police investigating the death found a room filled with sex paraphernalia, including items used for bondage and torture.
Pizio and Hunsinger, who were married within the past year, said they plan to appeal the constitutionality of their sentence. After the proceeding, they said their business involved role playing but no sexual contact.
"I believe I didn't do anything wrong," Pizio, 52, told Superior Court Judge Frank M. Lario Jr. "I hope that my rights will be served and the Constitution upheld."
They pleaded guilty in January to promoting prostitution rather than face possible conviction on that charge along with endangering the welfare of a child - their own granddaughter - and tampering with a witness.
Pizio and Hunsinger were never charged with the drowning of 3-year-old Samantha Wann.
Samantha's body was found fully clothed on May 24, 1998, at the bottom of a 4-foot-deep, above-ground pool at the couple's home.
Michael J. Wann of Camden had left his daughter at the home while he allegedly went to buy drugs. He returned and later found his daughter's body in the pool.


CHERRY HILL, N.J. (AP) -- Authorities first entered the shabby white ranch house to investigate the drowning of a 3-year-old girl in a backyard pool. Inside, they found a sadomasochistic dungeon filled with whips, leather masks, a coffin and a guillotine.
They also found evidence of drug use and child abuse.

Michael Wann, who police said was taking PCP when his daughter drowned, is charged with child endangerment for leaving her unsupervised during the party Sunday. Prosecutors said Friday that the girl had been sexually assaulted before she died. The drowning investigation led to unrelated charges against the self-proclaimed dungeon master and dominatrix who live in the house. Martin Hunsinger, 51, is charged with child endangerment for strapping a 7-year-old girl to a wheel, beating her and showing her a sexually explicit video. Hunsinger's girlfriend, Dorina D. Pizio, 47, was charged with witness tampering for allegedly trying to persuade the 7-year-old not to cooperate with police.

The father of the drowned girl, Michael J. Wann, 38, formerly of Camden, pleaded guilty 2 1/2 years ago to endangering her welfare. His sentencing, for a prison term of up to five years, was delayed pending the outcome of criminal charges against the couple.
The couple's agreement with Assistant Prosecutor Howard Gilfert dismisses charges of endangering their granddaughter's welfare and attempting to influence her testimony.
It is a conditional plea because the couple said they would go to the state appeals court to determine if acts involving sadism and masochism are covered by laws against prostitution.

Martin Hunsinger, 56, and Dorina Pizio Hunsinger, 52, pleaded guilty earlier this year to charges of promoting prostitution. As part of a plea deal, child endangerment charges were dropped.
Superior Court Judge Frank M. Lario Jr. ordered Martin Hunsinger to complete 300 hours of community service and his wife to complete 180 hours.
The father, Michael Wann, 38, pleaded guilty in June 2000 as part of a plea bargain in which he agreed to testify against the Hunsingers.

"The services performed by Dorina Pizio with the defendants' clients included acts of domination and submission, sadistic and masochistic abuse, waxing, cross-dressing and infantilism," said Gilfert, who described her as a "dominatrix."

At least eight adults attended the party at the home of Martin Hunsinger, 51, who also was charged with child endangerment

An autopsy showed evidence that Samantha had been sexually assaulted before her death.
Homicide investigators have determined that Samantha was pushed into the pool by a 7-year-old girl living in Pizio's house. No charges were filed against the 7-year-old, who is being supervised by the state's Division of Youth and Family Services. Authorities have alleged that Hunsinger once strapped the 7-year-old girl to a wheel and hit her with a belt, and allegedly showed her a sexually explicit movie



The following is the complete article of the origianl post by MistressDread:

Court upholds conviction in Cherry Hill dungeon case
Wednesday, May 26, 2004

Courier-Post staff
CAMDEN
The state appellate court has upheld the conviction of a Cherry Hill couple who pleaded guilty to promoting prostitution, admitting they operated a sadomasochistic dungeon in a home.
Dorina Pizio, 53, and Martin Hunsinger, 57, formerly of the 1100 block of West Valleybrook Road in Cherry Hill, pleaded guilty to a third-degree charge of promoting prostitution in October 2000.
They were each sentenced to two years probation. They admitted they charged fees in exchange for providing sadism, masochism, bondage, domination and submission, cross-dressing and infantilism services to patrons who derived sexual pleasure from the activities.
Under the plea agreement, the defendants preserved their right to appeal the constitutionality of the state's Promoting Prostitution statute. In their appeal, they asked the court to find the statute unconstitutionally vague and too broad as it applied to their case, arguing that the statute "does not clearly prohibit the sadomasochistic acts - performed."
The Appellate Division rejected the defendants' claim. "As long as the sadomasochism is performed for sexual pleasure, then it is criminalized under the promoting-prostitution statute, when exchanged for money," the court wrote.

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RE: o====·.,¸,.-·<ŦHΞ LΞGÂL BΞÂGÂLo====·.... - 6/1/2004 10:11:00 PM   
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Now let's see who wants to defend these cretins? My question is how the hell they only got two years probation after all that. It sickens me.

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