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RE: "Boxing's Last Great Fight" - 5/5/2007 7:29:44 PM   
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minnetar, if I had to guess, it'd be Mayweather. But I'm hoping Oscar will make magic.


Ditto.....sure hope Oscar wins....but Mayweater is one FAST mf'r.....should be a good one!!!!!

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RE: "Boxing's Last Great Fight" - 5/5/2007 7:37:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		If the fight is as good as the first one of the evening, I'm not going to care too much who wins.  Bautista-Medina was a great Junior Featherweight matchup.

For the main event, I'm leaning towards Mayweather. 

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RE: "Boxing's Last Great Fight" - 5/5/2007 7:43:00 PM   
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Another point crosses my mind, many fights today are, to coin a phrase <as bent as a two bob watch>
I remember watching a film of Sugar Ray Leonard and someone I cant recall and they were at it hammer and tongs for 15 rounds. At the end both fighters were totally unmarked.

Both of Ali's fights with Liston were more than a bit iffy too.


Surely not Leonard vs Thomas Hearns? One of the greatest fights ever! Here's a link to one of the rounds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN26fJqvoRQ

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RE: "Boxing's Last Great Fight" - 5/5/2007 7:48:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's another, from the Hagler/Hearns bout. What a great time for boxing....... Leonard, Hearns, Hagler, Duran......
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYHSHd1xfpY

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RE: "Boxing's Last Great Fight" - 5/5/2007 8:28:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, that second fight was a snoozefest.  Bring on the main event!

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RE: "Boxing's Last Great Fight" - 5/5/2007 9:32:49 PM   
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Can't remember the actual fight opponent but I know it made him rethink defense as a whole and work on it. Didn't he beat a Mayweather in the early 90's? Dad?Uncle? Cousin of Floyd's?


Maybe you're thinking of Floyd Mayweather Sr.... He's a journeyman fighter that never a won title. He was tough though. But what he's actually famous for, is he's one of finest trainers and tacticians in the history of boxing. The other thing he's famous for is that he's been De La Hoya's trainer since 2000 until De la Hoya recently let him go because it didn't seem right having him as his trainer when he was gonna fight his son.

Now Roger Mayweather { Floyd Jr's uncle and Floyd Sr's brother}, is Floyd Jr's trainer and also the former WBC super featherweight and super lightweight champion. He's a great fighter with very quick hands and a similar elusiveness to Pernell Whitaker.

The ''fight within the fight'' is the fact that the De La Hoya camp is mad at Floyd Sr. because after De La Hoya cut him loose for this fight, the rumor was he went back to his son's camp to share secrets with his brother Roger about De La Hoya.

I got to meet Roger Mayweather behind the curtain when I traveled down to Mexico city back in 1999 as a part of friend of mines entourage when he fought a Mayweather fighter and got dropped in the fifth round.




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RE: "Boxing's Last Great Fight" - 5/5/2007 11:28:47 PM   
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Can't remember the actual fight opponent but I know it made him rethink defense as a whole and work on it. Didn't he beat a Mayweather in the early 90's? Dad?Uncle? Cousin of Floyd's?


Maybe you're thinking of Floyd Mayweather Sr....

He may have been, but it was one-time IBO super featherweight title holder "Jazzy Jeff" Mayweather, Roger and Floyd Sr.'s brother, who was beaten by DLH in '93.

As for the main event this evening, I don't know what fight Tommy Kaczmarek was watching, but I think he needs his eyes checked.

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RE: "Boxing's Last Great Fight" - 5/6/2007 3:28:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		LAS VEGAS (AP) - Floyd Mayweather Jr. couldn't win over the crowd, or even his own father. All he could win was the only thing that really counted Saturday night, his fight against Oscar De La Hoya. 
Boxing's bad boy beat the Golden Boy in one of the richest fights ever, using his superb defensive skills and superior speed to take a 12-round split decision and win the WBC 154-pound title in his first fight at that weight.

http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/6774744?MSNHPHMA

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RE: "Boxing's Last Great Fight" - 5/6/2007 3:29:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Stef & everyone, was it worth watching? Was it a good fight?
 
From the article:
 
"I thought Oscar won the fight on points, threw more punches and was more aggressive," said the senior Mayweather, who munched popcorn as he watched the fight from a $2,000 ringside seat given to him by De La Hoya. "My son had good defense and caught a lot of his punches, but I still thought Oscar pressed enough to win the fight."

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RE: "Boxing's Last Great Fight" - 5/6/2007 7:15:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		According to reports over here, there wasn't much to choose between them 'til the 8th round. De la Hoya boxed himself to a halt, and then Mayweather took control. In the earlier rounds, De La Hoya was on the front foot and more aggressive, but he was missing with more than he was connecting, while Mayweather was throwing the crisper, cleaner shots. Once De La Hoya ran out of steam in the 8th, Mayweather took control from there on in. Sounds like Mayweather out-thought him, and out-boxed him. It should be on the internet somewhere by now.

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RE: "Boxing's Last Great Fight" - 5/6/2007 10:00:52 AM   
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Stef & everyone, was it worth watching? Was it a good fight?

It was a good fight.  I don't know if itlived up to the hype that the media generated, but it was ok.
 
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"I thought Oscar won the fight on points, threw more punches and was more aggressive," said the senior Mayweather, who munched popcorn as he watched the fight from a $2,000 ringside seat given to him by De La Hoya. "My son had good defense and caught a lot of his punches, but I still thought Oscar pressed enough to win the fight."

Sounds like someone who wants his old job back.  Freddie Roach was only brought in for this one fight so if DLH doesn't retire, he's going to need a "new" trainer.  Floyd Sr. is right that DLH threw more punches, but he still landed far fewer than Mayweather.  DLH tried to steal rounds with final second flurries, but it wasn't nearly enough to get the job done.

The CompuBox numbers:

           Mayweather         De La Hoya
           thrown/landed      thrown/landed
Punches    481/207 (43%)      587/122 (21%)
 
Power
Punches    138                82

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RE: "Boxing's Last Great Fight" - 5/6/2007 10:38:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wow, those are significant differences in the punches thrown. And yep, I got to wonder if Dad wants back with Oscar lol, especially after he was treated to those seats.

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RE: "Boxing's Last Great Fight" - 5/7/2007 4:06:24 AM   
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Stef & everyone, was it worth watching? Was it a good fight?

It was a good fight.  I don't know if itlived up to the hype that the media generated, but it was ok.
 
quote:

"I thought Oscar won the fight on points, threw more punches and was more aggressive," said the senior Mayweather, who munched popcorn as he watched the fight from a $2,000 ringside seat given to him by De La Hoya. "My son had good defense and caught a lot of his punches, but I still thought Oscar pressed enough to win the fight."

Sounds like someone who wants his old job back.  Freddie Roach was only brought in for this one fight so if DLH doesn't retire, he's going to need a "new" trainer.  Floyd Sr. is right that DLH threw more punches, but he still landed far fewer than Mayweather.  DLH tried to steal rounds with final second flurries, but it wasn't nearly enough to get the job done.

The CompuBox numbers:

           Mayweather         De La Hoya
           thrown/landed      thrown/landed
Punches    481/207 (43%)      587/122 (21%)
 
Power
Punches    138                82

~stef


Having watched the fight last night, I'll go back on what I said in an earlier post.

I don't think there was much to choose between them. Mayweather seemed to be throwing the crisper, cleaner shots, but in a close fight it's normally awarded to the lad going forward - and that was definitely De La Hoya.

I'd put De La Hoya 2 rounds ahead with 3 left. Mayweather won the next two, and the last one was nip and tuck. If was a judge, I'd have given it to De La Hoya by virtue of there being nothing it and he being the one taking the fight to the other lad.

He definitely deserves another crack at it. Considering Mayweather is supposed to be the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world, I thought he was poor throughout and was bullied by De La Hoya.

Either way, another nail in the boxing coffin as it was stale. I can't remember many decent fights since Benn/McClellan - Hatton/Tzu springs to mind. If Taylor stops swerving Calzaghe then that'll be some fight - Taylor's a class act and Calazghe can box/brawl/bully opponents, he demolished your lad Lacy who was highly rated. That would be a fight worth paying to see. Hatton/Cotto would be another one. I don't know how much you've seen of Hatton over there, but he's as game as you'll ever see - heart of a lion, has a rock solid chin and can brawl with the best of them - in his weight, he's unbeatable as he'll bully opponents like he did Tzu - there's talk of him stepping up a division to fight Mayweather, but he's too big for him and if he has any sense he'll swerve him, which is a shame because if they were naturally the same weight, it would have been some fight of contrasting styles.

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RE: "Boxing's Last Great Fight" - 5/7/2007 3:29:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Anyone wanna bet on wether or not there will be a rematch?

Also, do you suppose Goldenboy recruited the two from the first fight?


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RE: "Boxing's Last Great Fight" - 5/7/2007 3:40:34 PM   
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RE: "Boxing's Last Great Fight" - 5/7/2007 3:47:13 PM   
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RE: "Boxing's Last Great Fight" - 5/7/2007 4:29:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mayweather 'll fancy it with De La Hoya being such a big draw/purse. De La Hoya has nothing left to prove - he comes away from that fight with a lot of credit - past his best and bullies the top man for 12 rounds. De La Hoya has nothing left to prove as far as I can see, and more money than he could ever know what to do with, so I reckon he'll call it a day and spend the next few years giving that woman in the crowd a right old bangin'. Alright weren't she. 



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RE: "Boxing's Last Great Fight" - 5/7/2007 5:16:41 PM   
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Maybe you're thinking of Floyd Mayweather Sr.... He's a journeyman fighter that never a won title. He was tough though. But what he's actually famous for, is he's one of finest trainers and tacticians in the history of boxing. The other thing he's famous for is that he's been De La Hoya's trainer since 2000 until De la Hoya recently let him go because it didn't seem right having him as his trainer when he was gonna fight his son.


Actually it was his uncle "Jazzy" Jeff Mayweather. He was one of Oscar's first big card fights in perhaps 93 or so.  


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RE: "Boxing's Last Great Fight" - 5/7/2007 5:18:21 PM   
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He may have been, but it was one-time IBO super featherweight title holder "Jazzy Jeff" Mayweather, Roger and Floyd Sr.'s brother, who was beaten by DLH in '93.


Had I read a bit farther I would have found the answer to what year. Good info stef. Thanks.


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RE: "Boxing's Last Great Fight" - 5/7/2007 5:35:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Floyd Mayweather Jr said he was retiring from boxing after beating Oscar De La Hoya on a split decision on Sunday.

"I still plan on retiring," he said after winning the World Boxing Council super welterweight title. "I have nothing left to prove. I want to spend more time with my children.

"As of right now, Floyd Mayweather Jr is officially retired from the sport of boxing."

http://www.abc.net.au/sport/content/200705/s1915580.htm

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