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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/12/2007 9:16:13 PM

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this is the oldest and most experienced school dealing with self defense in existence

Utterly ridiculous statement, Julia. I love the way you come running to defend him though. Perhaps you could narrow the scope a bit?

If I've followed the accounts accurately, Sinergy is the mock assailant, NOT the class instructor. If his instructions are to push the trainees buttons hard, then I'd say that taking a little pleasure in his work is a good thing, the training is that much more realistic.

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/12/2007 9:53:01 PM

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Turning every thread into a political debate

Am I the only one who finds it darkly amusing that this thread has upended its title by turning into a nonpolitical debate?

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/13/2007 12:00:11 AM

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Turning every thread into a political debate

Am I the only one who finds it darkly amusing that this thread has upended its title by turning into a nonpolitical debate?

Nope. Noticed it too.

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/13/2007 12:28:55 AM

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Concerning the criticism that has been heaped on the methods Sinergy has described

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All I can say is that this thread has indeed shown how small minded people are when their personal opinions come face to face with facts.

How many "critics" believe for instance that a 14 yo girl can bring down a grown man.
This claim has implicitly been presented as a "fact" several times by MrS

Also MrS has totally failed to respond to legitimate critical opinion and in some cases has "ducked and dived", as for instance when responding to those who pointed out that by his own admission the verbal abuse he ladles out does not typically occur during male assaults on young girls.

.Funnily enough I would be inclined to believe that some form of verbal denigration may well be quite frequently employed.

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/13/2007 12:31:05 AM

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Political or BBW

Take your pick.

Hmmmm... maybe there is a thread there!

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/13/2007 5:30:41 AM

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Turning every thread into a political debate

Am I the only one who finds it darkly amusing that this thread has upended its title by turning into a nonpolitical debate?

I was waiting for somebody to be upset with me for turning this into a non-political debate about 6 pages ago.

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/13/2007 5:57:18 AM

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this is the oldest and most experienced school dealing with self defense in existence

Utterly ridiculous statement, Julia. I love the way you come running to defend him though. Perhaps you could narrow the scope a bit?

If I've followed the accounts accurately, Sinergy is the mock assailant, NOT the class instructor. If his instructions are to push the trainees buttons hard, then I'd say that taking a little pleasure in his work is a good thing, the training is that much more realistic.

The longer I post here the more I realize people love to expound on that which they have no training nor knowledge about.

And the personal turn of all of this is nothing new. There are certain people that take a lot of dark delight in being assholes, I would not say my Daddy is one of them.

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/13/2007 6:06:50 AM

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this is the oldest and most experienced school dealing with self defense in existence

Utterly ridiculous statement, Julia. I love the way you come running to defend him though. Perhaps you could narrow the scope a bit?

If I've followed the accounts accurately, Sinergy is the mock assailant, NOT the class instructor. If his instructions are to push the trainees buttons hard, then I'd say that taking a little pleasure in his work is a good thing, the training is that much more realistic.

The longer I post here the more I realize people love to expound on that which they have no training nor knowledge about.

And the personal turn of all of this is nothing new. There are certain people that take a lot of dark delight in being assholes, I would not say my Daddy is one of them.

Whether you think people here are assholes because they do not agree with you is of course your opinion and you are entitled to it, as in everyone else here.

My opinion is that a grown man making clearly sexual comments to a 14 year old CHILD is unacceptable under ANY circumstances.

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/13/2007 6:26:08 AM

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"My opinion is that a grown man making clearly sexual comments to a 14 year old CHILD is unacceptable under ANY circumstances."

At 14 a person is, according to some religious traditions, old enough to handle the responsibilities of an adult.

That said, ensuring adequate conditions in self-defense training is only responsible, if you want that training to be useful in other contexts.

I feel at 14, a girl should be packing heat, if she and her parents feel comfortable with the notion.

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/13/2007 6:32:38 AM

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The longer I post here the more I realize people love to expound on that which they have no training nor knowledge about.

And the personal turn of all of this is nothing new. There are certain people that take a lot of dark delight in being assholes, I would not say my Daddy is one of them.

And there are certain people who seem to delight in slinging personal insults in the general direction of the opposing opinion crowd and seem to think that so long as they are not specifically identifying the target of those insults that it makes it ok. I wonder what that makes them?

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/13/2007 6:43:25 AM

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Hmmm, wonders where anyone got the idea I was calling them an asshole? I was simply saying my Daddy is not one...

Now I do not care if you agree with me or not. My life goes on swimmingly no matter what your personal opinion is. I would suggest that you not sign up for such classes. I plan on having my son take the class myself, which is my perogative as a parent, just as other parents exercise their perogative....I would not give my child a gun for example, lots of people do things with their children I do not agree with, but you know, I think that each parent should do what they like. I used to take my son to R rated movies for nudity when he was 9 years old... lots of people thought that was wrong too, and I cared as much about their opinion as I care about yours.

I care about what people I love think, and marginally what people that can impact my income think.

You know when I was 13 my mom would have me read these true crime mags about girls being raped and murdered and tortured. It was deeply disturbing for me, but it might have kept me alive to know there are some very evil people that do very evil things. I do not know if you have ever read one of these mags, but the pictures in them with the descriptions are disgustingly sick. In my opinion reading about these heinous acts is at least as disturbing as having a grown man tell me he wants to do me in the ass.

When I was 13 I went on an air force base with my brother (he is a vet). I was waiting for him when this big drunk airman came up to me and made all sorts of inappropriate comments to me, making comments about my "tits" and "ass" how he wanted to "fuck me"... you know I wish I had some sort of training to deal with that, all I could do was look around for someone to help me, and there was no one. I am sure I am not the only 14 year old that has had to deal with inappropriate language from an adult male. In fact some 14 year olds look much older than their years (like me, I have been 5 foot 10 and a D cup since I was 13... this is why my mom made sure I read those mags at that age)

Now your opinion is yours. I will note it is not founded in having attended the class, on any sort of material about how to train teens in self defense, or on any sort of psychological impact study. My opinion is based upon reading and on seeing this work in action and seeing how it is done.

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/13/2007 6:48:48 AM

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Hmmm, wonders where anyone got the idea I was calling them an asshole? I was simply saying my Daddy is not one...

Of course that is all you were saying. How could anyone have gotten an impression otherwise?

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/13/2007 6:52:13 AM

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Heh.

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/13/2007 7:01:30 AM

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(This is fast reply - and not directed to you julia)

"Won't some one please - remember the children!"

*place hand to forehead and act dramatically...

I am never - ever ceased to be amazed by peoples complete inability to understand how to actually talk to a teenager these days.

Lets all wrap them up in cotton wool and never ever let them know that bad people exist - let alone how to handle a bad person.

I am amazed that people believe that when parents take their children along to see these type of self defense classes and participate - they don't actually inform their children what is involved.

Just because you let your child watch a film/tv/book (and yep - thats anything from jaq wilson to britneys sister or the OC - ) that can contain scenes of love, sexual inuendo and violence without explaining why these things happen, let alone how they don't have to participate if they happen to come across such, does not mean that responsible parents don't.

You see a few words written on a screen and start making sideways accusations and 'omgosh-how-shocking' noises.

Lets forget for a moment that teenagers come across these things on a regular basis.

Lets forget for a moment that classes like these help empower teenagers to say no and say how inappropriate such words are.

Lets forget for a moment that most teenagers aren't even aware how a person can be infected, abused or made pregnant - all for the sake of 'protecting the children'.

People - adults - YOU - are naive.

Don't place such a burden on your teenagers too.

Peace

P.S Hey Erin, how about non political debate hijaking too?

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/13/2007 7:08:58 AM

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Hmmm, wonders where anyone got the idea I was calling them an asshole? I was simply saying my Daddy is not one...

Of course that is all you were saying. How could anyone have gotten an impression otherwise?

Ever had a man make an inappropriate comment to you when you were between 13 and 18? I grew up in Leave it to Beaverville, and I certainly had a few

Or perhaps you just want to post barbed comments and not deal with the substance of my post? I am becoming fairly used to that here

FB made a good point, many girls are married around the world at 14, and as soon as they have passed into puberty they can become targets of a sexual predator. High school students have more freedom, they will sneak out, they are often sexually active, they experiment with drugs and alcohol and can have the feeling they know more than they do... now we can treat them as though they have never heard these words strung together before, but the fact of the matter is that they have. My son told me that in junior high they have competition among the girls to see who can give out the most BJs, so if you think that by 14 they do not know what is going on out there, well I am sorry, you are mistaken. I will reiterate, I would rather my kid know how to protect themselves than to pretend that the world is a different place than it is.

Now go on and continue with the jabs pointed at me, I am definitely not going to respond in kind, or you could address my points.

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/13/2007 7:33:36 AM

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Yes, julia, of course it is *I* who has that barbed comment market cornered.

I have addressed the points you make julia...my opinion is not so much based upon the age of the class attendee but on my belief that such tactics are not effective because a play/pretend class environment can not fully prepare one for such a reality. I think I've been pretty clear on where I stand. MY opinion is based on MY own personal experiences with such classes, MY own observations as both a participant and a witness to such classes, MY own personal experience with violent assaults, MY own extensive experience with victims of such assaults and MY own training in regards to working with such victims. My opinion is not exclusive to a specific age.

I believe that I covered those points fairly well in previous postings on this thread and my recent responses were to the personal potshots you were seemingly taking at those who don't agree. It was difficult to understand that you really were not really implying that anyone here is simple minded or an asshole and you were only really expressing that your Daddy isn't an asshole so I am glad you cleared that up for us all.

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/13/2007 7:37:26 AM

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[. There are certain people that take a lot of dark delight in being assholes.

What??? Sadists??? HERE??? I'm shocked to hear that one would find such people on a BDSM message board. SHOCKED I say!

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/13/2007 7:40:28 AM

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Ever had a man make an inappropriate comment to you when you were between 13 and 18? I grew up in Leave it to Beaverville, and I certainly had a few

And they are subject to arrest for them if the person has the integrity to do so.

Similar words are used as evidence to protect the same age children. A website reports these words, said by an adult to a child, to the police. The police monitor further IM's and arrest the adult. A TV show called 'Dateline' reports these arrests with cameras on the perpetrators as they read the IM content.

Then there is the dojo. Butt Fuck and reference to Brazilian waxing are used by adults on 14 year olds. The rationalization is that its necessary to raise the adrenaline level; suggesting there is no other way. Yet, the way used has been reported, in a first hand account, as not representative in the majority of attacks. Backing up that position, a report cited says that the defensive courses may or may not be effective; it also stated that 75% of the attacks were made by people known to the victim.

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/13/2007 7:56:09 AM

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Actually my comment was not based upon THIS thread at all, but you know we can all assume whatever we like. I really do not care...

Edited to add, have you ever encountered a verbal sexual assault Erin?

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RE: Turning every thread into a political debate - 5/13/2007 8:02:23 AM

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It was difficult to understand that you really were not really implying that anyone here is simple minded or an asshole and you were only really expressing that your Daddy isn't an asshole so I am glad you cleared that up for us all.

Erin,
Other than the quotes of the words addressed to 14 year olds in the course; this was the first use of any terms in the nature of name calling a person "asshole". A name calling reference to people in opposition in lieu of argument against the points?

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