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RE: "I disagree" "Shut up, slave" - 7/14/2007 4:14:25 PM

Grlwithboy

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Just hope your Dom doesn't train you not to disagree by using an electric shock obedience collar on you. My slave wears one. She agrees much more often than she used to. Well, unless you want to find out how good you are at agreeing that is.
Oh Good Lord!

Are you really surprised?

No I guess not given what I have read so far. And I think the word I would use now is worried rather than surprised and I am sure I am not the only one!

The only thing I'm worried about is the electric shock collar. Those are really tricky to get right. Even the companies that make them for law enforcement (yes, they have been used in prisons and trials) have trouble making them safe. The number of accidental discharges have been equal to the number of intentional discharges so far. And the main manufacturer went out of business due to problems with their products.

An electric shock collar must be designed for the right species, have proper I/V limiting with fail-open defaults, and even then you will risk triggering a vasovagal reaction. Most cases of vasovagal reactions will just lead to a 30% drop in BP and/or heart rate, IIRC. But some people do not have a functioning limiter there, causing it to drop to nil. Quite simply, it isn't particularly safe.

That said, it doesn't have to be.

If both parties have agreed to that level of risk, it's all good.

Personally, I was thinking more along the lines of a stun bracelet, the kind you wear on the upper arm. Those can range from an "odd sensation" to being outright incapacitating with pain, and will be miles safer than a collar, at any setting.

That said, I'd not use it to stifle disagreements.

As others have pointed out, it's how one disagrees that matters, not whether one disagrees. At least for me. Getting into a shouting match just messes up everyone's day, and shutting it down until people have cooled off will usually help things in the long run. Doing it when presented with a respectful disagreement will usually be negative.

Without regard to the subjective opinion on this that I may have, I have seen and have reason to believe that one can reduce risk and still deliver a good negative stimulus to a healthy and average individual by placing said collar around their thigh. I hope if they're not playing with it in that manner at present they're at least open to that adjustment. It's a risk I didn't want to take on people I've felt pretty dispassionate about - I don't especially have a fetish for dominant chicks with criminal records and small enclosed cages, if you catch my drift.

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RE: "I disagree" "Shut up, slave" - 7/14/2007 4:41:05 PM

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I have seen and have reason to believe that one can reduce risk and still deliver a good negative stimulus to a healthy and average individual by placing said collar around their thigh.

That makes sense, depending on the electrode placement and the strength of the shock. I don't think you'd want to risk the current running through the inside (medial side) of the thigh, given the placement of the femoral artery etc. With sufficient current to the anterior side, you could also end up contracting the quadriceps, which may lead to some "interesting" injuries, but that's probably less likely. I'm no doc, though, so I can't say.

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I hope if they're not playing with it in that manner at present they're at least open to that adjustment.

For all I care, they can use a chainsaw for discipline, if that's their thing. But they should at least be aware of the risk, and decide whether it is acceptable to them or not. With a collar around the thigh, you should get plenty response, but some may be willing to risk it around the neck.

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I don't especially have a fetish for dominant chicks with criminal records and small enclosed cages, if you catch my drift.

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I don't mind a criminal record, but if I were to bottom for someone, I wouldn't want the item on it to be murder as a sex crime (explaining the distinction between D/s and sex to an average vanilla jury is probably one step easier than climbing Mt. Everest, I imagine). And I wouldn't let my nephandi play with such a person, either.

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RE: "I disagree" "Shut up, slave" - 7/16/2007 11:37:29 AM

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Yes as my Master stated he bought and has me wear a shock obedience collar (which I love) however he never tells me to shut up and im always allowed to voice my opinion and reasons for said opinion, what im not allowed to do is be disrespectful or go on rants that is when the collar gets used. Every Master is different but just make sure to always be respectful and more than likely they will let you voice your opinion, but it doesnt mean they wont tell you it's wrong.

My shock collar is not horrible although I was very scared of it at first, I asked Master to try it on me way before he ever needed to use it on me and its not bad. He uses the lowest settig for the most part but I have had higher. It's not really strong just a tiny zap it doesnthurt near as much as being flogged or caned or paddled. It is there as a reminder and it works. He doesnt have to use it very often at all, and I have actually found that a lot of people use them.
P.S. The collar I have as Master has pointed out to me and other is meant for toy dogs not big dogs, and it doesnt leave any marks or anything.

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RE: "I disagree" "Shut up, slave" - 7/16/2007 3:03:19 PM

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The idea of a shock collar isn't horrible in the slightest, provided he looked into it and didn't just stick one on you without regard to the animal it was intended for. Dogs, for example, can have very thick fur and their skin is much tougher then ours. They can handle volts you, regardless of training, won't ever be able to.

I believe it was more the idea of "How dare you disagree with me, now you get zapped" that people questioned. Which he did say he did when he said "Just hope your Dom doesn't train you not to disagree by using an electric shock obedience collar on you." We took him at his word, which is different then the picture you present.

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RE: "I disagree" "Shut up, slave" - 7/16/2007 6:23:47 PM

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We talk about things. I do not have restrictions on speech. I am allowed to express my opinions in a respectful way. We discuss things and work them out. Master is very fair. He listens to my side and if he agrees he will make a decision on that.

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