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Toilet Timing/Training - 12/7/2007 8:15:43 AM

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Firstly I hope I am not breaking CM protocols here, I wish to reference a blog I stumbled upon tonight, for the concept in there greatly intruiged me and I was wondering if other subs/slaves had been asked to do such a thing, and if so what were your feelings on it.

The author of the blog was given set times at which she could use the bathroom. 6:30, 10:30, 2:30, and 6:30, if she didn't go at those times she either held on until the next allocated time or wet herself. I didn't think much of the idea until I read her blog entry on it, how it made her feel, how she struggled with the command, in her words "Yet, the difficulty of it is really what makes it so lovely."

You can view the full entry here (I dont wish to breach her copyright but cutting and pasting the full article but hope I am not breaking a rule by posting the link)...

http://attimesrestless.blogspot.com/2006/10/discomfort-of-new-kind.html

RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/7/2007 8:29:31 AM

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I am not sure about the practicality and maybe more important the quality of life and being able to serve your owner if you spend too much time trying to control yourself or just having to think about it if you have to go. I am just not sure what it adds might not be as greater as what it takes away. I do though see how this would be a very upfront control thing which I could see being a very positive things as well.

I do not think I would want my Master to do that but without a doubt could see the positive reaction of it being done that the person you referred to mentions.

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/7/2007 8:42:49 AM

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If I had to hold my bladder for 4 hours at a time like that, I'd get an infection for sure. She mentioned in the blog that sometimes she has to go through a bit of effort not to leak... that just doesn't sound very physically healthy.

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/7/2007 9:04:51 AM

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Tha's unhealthy to have someone wait that long and if the blogger 'misses' at time, she has to wait until the next one or use a diaper or go on herself. She is being treated like an animal and horribly at that. Infections are just the tip of the iceberg for complications, serious damage can be done. I hope her partner wakes up to reality before its too late and she ends up in the hospital; that can be considered a crimincal act, even bottom-types are entitled to use the restroom as needed, but at scheduled times, I would LOVE to sit on the jury.

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/7/2007 9:22:29 AM

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quote:

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Tha's unhealthy to have someone wait that long and if the blogger 'misses' at time, she has to wait until the next one or use a diaper or go on herself. She is being treated like an animal and horribly at that. Infections are just the tip of the iceberg for complications, serious damage can be done. I hope her partner wakes up to reality before its too late and she ends up in the hospital; that can be considered a crimincal act, even bottom-types are entitled to use the restroom as needed, but at scheduled times, I would LOVE to sit on the jury.

Let’s have some reality and perspective here.

Four hours is just not that huge of a thing and in fact it could be a sign if a person cannot go that long without needing to go to the bathroom as an indicator of a medical problem. Most people though who cannot wait that long is not so much about their body but by their intake levels. Yes, it is important to drink a significant amount of water but this does not mean to always have water or a caffeine product with you at all times. Part of the control would be when you intake your liquids to time it.

Another thing she does have an option of wetting herself. That maybe not for many or most, but actually there are people into it. It is in the realm of humiliation play not exactly a way out there type thing.

I did not try to read the blog but yeah if there is an actual twelve hour that is dangerous but I am not sure I buy that as a fact or at least this as a theory for other people to explore with times that work for them.

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/7/2007 9:47:37 AM

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I must admit that the concept is very hot! (this coming from a slave with a verrrry small bladder).

In practice, holding your urine in on a regular basis can lead to an increased risk of urinary tract infection because it is the act of urinating that keeps the tract clean. Used in moderation, though, it certainly would serve as a constant reminder of an Owner's control.

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/7/2007 12:08:25 PM

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So instead of the Dom being anal retentive he would be urethra retentive?

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/7/2007 1:11:15 PM

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Thank you all for the replies :)

I don't put much stock in the theory that holding your urine will cause an infection, most people manage to get 8hrs sleep without getting up in the night for a toilet break and live a life quite happily without causing themselves bodily harm, so whilst 12yrs would be quite the stretch, 8hrs is perfectly normal.

It was the concept that interested me, and I thought as one who could use more control over her diet, that perhaps it could be something that would apply equally as effectively to meal routines.

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/7/2007 2:21:46 PM

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It sounds hot in theory, but I hope her kidneys are okay :(

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/7/2007 2:35:29 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LittleWench

Thank you all for the replies :)

I don't put much stock in the theory that holding your urine will cause an infection, most people manage to get 8hrs sleep without getting up in the night for a toilet break and live a life quite happily without causing themselves bodily harm, so whilst 12yrs would be quite the stretch, 8hrs is perfectly normal.

It was the concept that interested me, and I thought as one who could use more control over her diet, that perhaps it could be something that would apply equally as effectively to meal routines.

I agree about the risk being overblown on this particular situation, she has the option of using a diaper if she really has to go, or to wet herself. She is not being forced to hold her urine but she is making the choice of doing that instead of diaper/wetting herself during the 12 hour period. Personally I would have a tough time cutting down my water intake and luckily this is something my dom isn't at all into

but I understand the turn on.The enforced control can be exciting, the actual relief of finally urinating after waiting can be arousing. It sounds like she is enjoying the entire experience.

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ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty

Tha's unhealthy to have someone wait that long and if the blogger 'misses' at time, she has to wait until the next one or use a diaper or go on herself. She is being treated like an animal and horribly at that. Infections are just the tip of the iceberg for complications, serious damage can be done. I hope her partner wakes up to reality before its too late and she ends up in the hospital; that can be considered a crimincal act, even bottom-types are entitled to use the restroom as needed, but at scheduled times, I would LOVE to sit on the jury.

Being treated like an animal can be the turn on. If she practices good hygiene *keeping clean and dry* a diaper is not going to cause serious damage nor is waiting 4 hours to pee unless she already has a medical problem. There are tons of jobs where you can't just get up and go to the bathroom until you reach a 4 hour break, if that caused hospitalizations leading to criminal acts then I'm pretty sure the laws regarding breaks would be changed.Sure waiting to urinate/defacate can lead to problems but if she wets a diaper she is not waiting. There is no mention of her wearing a wet diaper that I noticed, granted I did skim the post but there was no indication that she was ever in pain or physically irritated. One thing that I wondered, if she cannot change her diaper then I sure wouldn't want to be stuck in a long meeting sitting next to her

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/7/2007 3:24:49 PM

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Here in Australia the standard period of time for a work shift is 8hrs, and after 5hrs you must by law have a scheduled lunch break. Some jobs allow for a "tea" break, a short break in the midst of that 5hr shift where you can smoke, drink, go to loo, but some jobs just don't allow that luxury.

Just as a curiosity, a comparison, how many times a day do you each of you need to go pee? I usually go 3 or maybe 4 times a day. I don't limit my fluid intake, I drink a variety of fluids including coffee, water, juice, soda, milk throughout the day.

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/7/2007 3:29:40 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty

Tha's unhealthy to have someone wait that long and if the blogger 'misses' at time, she has to wait until the next one or use a diaper or go on herself. She is being treated like an animal and horribly at that. Infections are just the tip of the iceberg for complications, serious damage can be done. I hope her partner wakes up to reality before its too late and she ends up in the hospital; that can be considered a crimincal act, even bottom-types are entitled to use the restroom as needed, but at scheduled times, I would LOVE to sit on the jury.

So would I...she agrees...without coercion, to act in such a manner. She can indeed wet herself. So if she wants it and does it seems to me she has culpability.
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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/7/2007 3:30:55 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty

Tha's unhealthy to have someone wait that long and if the blogger 'misses' at time, she has to wait until the next one or use a diaper or go on herself. She is being treated like an animal and horribly at that. Infections are just the tip of the iceberg for complications, serious damage can be done. I hope her partner wakes up to reality before its too late and she ends up in the hospital; that can be considered a crimincal act, even bottom-types are entitled to use the restroom as needed, but at scheduled times, I would LOVE to sit on the jury.

Pretty much most of wiitwd can "be considered a criminal act". I honestly doubt there would be a jury in this situation. HER choice to not urinate is her choice, not an act performed upon her. Spanking, whipping, caning etc to the point of marking however, is.

I don't see anything wrong with this type of control as long as she is allowed the diaper or some other form of release. Tempting fate by not going at all could cause bladder issues. However, I don't see her as being "treated like an animal" at all. I see her as being treated like a submissive/slave who agreed to enter into this dynamic. Whether it's something we personally would agree upon or not doesn't make it any more or less cruel or any more or less illegal.

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/7/2007 3:56:53 PM

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The concept is awesome. That twelve hour stretch has potential to do some harm, however.

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/7/2007 4:04:47 PM

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I ask my Owner to go to the bathroom whenever I'm with her. I also ask her for permission when I'm chatting with her online. I have blanket permission when it comes to emergencies. I -sincerely- hope the girl who wrote the blog has an Owner with enough common sense to allow her that. If not...then her Owner is pretty stupid. The humiliation from, and excuse my illustration, the ill effects of violent stomach issues would most certainly not be cute or erotic.

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/7/2007 4:05:06 PM

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I have been thinking about this all day... she has been told if she has to go and its not the allotted time, she can use either a diaper or wet herself... so far as I can see there's nothing that says she can't get undressed stand in the shower cubicle, have the much needed release and then wash immediately afterwards. Cheating?

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/7/2007 4:27:46 PM

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quote:

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I have been thinking about this all day... she has been told if she has to go and its not the allotted time, she can use either a diaper or wet herself... so far as I can see there's nothing that says she can't get undressed stand in the shower cubicle, have the much needed release and then wash immediately afterwards. Cheating?

I love this scenario!

Hmmmmm....if it were my scenario I would say that wetting yourself/soiling the diaper is a choice made because she can't hold it as instructed by her Dom. Therefore, having to deal with the wet diaper until she is allowed to visit the bathroom again would be appropriate. At that time, cleaning up (so that she doesn't stink up the office) certainly makes sense.

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/7/2007 5:03:27 PM

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Maybe its just me, but I dont see much of a problem here. When I work, I have often had to wait 4-5 hour at a time to use the restroom. It hasnt killed me yet.
The one thing I might wonder is if the Master would be flexible in the case of an emergency (a case of a really bad stomach, or something else that the girl cant control... the runs perhaps) that necessitates her using the bathroom far more frequently. Controlling someone well includes knowing when to bend your own rules to keep them healthy and able to continue thier service.

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/7/2007 5:36:57 PM

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Where's Rrafe? He would love a thread that includes diapers.

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RE: Toilet Timing/Training - 12/7/2007 6:07:17 PM

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I dont see the problem with this either. Four hours is not a long time to wait, and if she is smart and times it right, even the 12 hour stretch should not be much of a problem, afterall, she is sleeping most of that time. I find it very amusing to watch a slave struggle with the need to piss, in fact this can be very exciting at times. However, for Myself, this is limited to only urine. If I am with one of Mine, I expect that they will ask before getting up to use the restroom, and they can not always expect I will say yes.

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