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RE: Chastity tips for femdoms and subs: "It's just... - 10/26/2009 7:54:34 PM   
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Boys can not be trusted by being able to let themselves out of chastity for a selfish release and reinstalling the device to pretend he has been good, but in case of an emergency he needs to be able to get out. The Owner can put the key in an envelope, seal it, kiss it to leave lip prints, and sign it. The slave can get out if it really is an emergency but if he uses it with not explanation he should be punished very very hard or let go because that would be unforgivable.

slavey


Speak for yourself here, slavey, but don't speak for the rest of us.  i have been kept chaste both wearing and not wearing a device.  While i preferred to wear the device for the feeling of security, the constant reminder of my position and the instant punishment of unauthorized erections, i was able to keep my hands off while wearing nothing.  It's a matter of a sense of honor. A slave without a sense of honor is no slave at all.


HarryVanWinkle,
i agree with you on this one.  i have been kept in chastity both with and without a device.  i have found that Dommes usually prefer the device because of the assurance that it provides.  But personally, i prefer to be kept chaste without a device.  To me, that is a truer test of my submission and obedience. 

i once had a Domme who didn't trust me to restrain myself if i wasn't kept in a device.  i was really disappointed to hear Her say that.  To me, it showed me that She didn't understand who i truly was, nor did She understand the level of my devotion to Her. 

As it turned out, She kept me locked up for 6 weeks on that particular occasion.  But i wish i could have proven to Her that i would have gladly made the same sacrifice without the device.  In some ways, i feel like it was Her loss.

As you said, "a slave without a sense of honor is no slave at all".  IMO, being obedient because i am forced to is not a true test.  A better test is whether i can remain obedient when i have the option to disobey.

There is no greater sacrifice that i can think of than giving up sexual release of one's own free will as an act of devotion to a Mistress.  i think some Dommes miss that point.  But of course, i do understand that not all subs would be as honorable as you and i.

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RE: Chastity tips for femdoms and subs: "It's just... - 10/27/2009 2:46:32 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009

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ORIGINAL: HarryVanWinkle

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ORIGINAL: slaveyslave

Boys can not be trusted by being able to let themselves out of chastity for a selfish release and reinstalling the device to pretend he has been good, but in case of an emergency he needs to be able to get out. The Owner can put the key in an envelope, seal it, kiss it to leave lip prints, and sign it. The slave can get out if it really is an emergency but if he uses it with not explanation he should be punished very very hard or let go because that would be unforgivable.

slavey


Speak for yourself here, slavey, but don't speak for the rest of us.  i have been kept chaste both wearing and not wearing a device.  While i preferred to wear the device for the feeling of security, the constant reminder of my position and the instant punishment of unauthorized erections, i was able to keep my hands off while wearing nothing.  It's a matter of a sense of honor. A slave without a sense of honor is no slave at all.


HarryVanWinkle,
i agree with you on this one.  i have been kept in chastity both with and without a device.  i have found that Dommes usually prefer the device because of the assurance that it provides.  But personally, i prefer to be kept chaste without a device.  To me, that is a truer test of my submission and obedience. 

i once had a Domme who didn't trust me to restrain myself if i wasn't kept in a device.  i was really disappointed to hear Her say that.  To me, it showed me that She didn't understand who i truly was, nor did She understand the level of my devotion to Her. 

As it turned out, She kept me locked up for 6 weeks on that particular occasion.  But i wish i could have proven to Her that i would have gladly made the same sacrifice without the device.  In some ways, i feel like it was Her loss.

As you said, "a slave without a sense of honor is no slave at all".  IMO, being obedient because i am forced to is not a true test.  A better test is whether i can remain obedient when i have the option to disobey.

There is no greater sacrifice that i can think of than giving up sexual release of one's own free will as an act of devotion to a Mistress.  i think some Dommes miss that point.  But of course, i do understand that not all subs would be as honorable as you and i.




I would worry about both of you misplacing thoughts and values toward your chastity.

It seems both of you are taking too much value in one aspect of life to judge yourselves better then others and this can be very troubling and in some way you are objectifying a female dominants with your beliefs.

There are plenty of honorable male submissives that show incredible devotion to their mistress and the dynamic they live without some male submissive competition version of how big your penis is by how long I can go and with or without a device. I know I for one it would be a red flag in terms of a man so much wanting such long term chastity.

Chastity can be a very powerful sign of devotion but it is not the only one or must be in a relationship in order to show powerful devotion or some test of submission. Relationships are two people being something to each other and not some test to pass or rank yourself with.




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RE: Chastity tips for femdoms and subs: "It's just... - 10/27/2009 5:45:12 PM   
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Kccuckoldmist,
i definitely understand Your perspective.  i actually don't think that O/our ideas are mutually exclusive. 

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RE: Chastity tips for femdoms and subs: "It's just... - 10/27/2009 8:14:43 PM   
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Okay, this is beginning to bother me. Is it not 'chasten' ? I've seen it written as 'chastise' twice now. Regarding chastity or restraint in any form, the definition is archaic. It has been 'chasten' since, as far as I'm aware.

Or has the chastity-play community decided upon 'chastise' to be inordinately confusing? Heh.


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RE: Chastity tips for femdoms and subs: "It's just... - 10/27/2009 9:05:11 PM   
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I wholeheartedly agree.

In fact, I've never used a device before. Every now and again, I fall into a more devious mindset where the power of holding the actual key to his cock is really thrilling, but I enjoy not using a device, and having his honour be the true assurance of his obedience. Honestly, out of everyone I've ever known, period, he's the one I can trust, completely, with his word. It is his bond. His honour is far more valuable to me than the occasional want of a device.

Other dommes, and even subs, have asked me: how do I enforce his chastity? What do I do to ensure that he stays chaste? I don't do anything. I tell him I want to do a chastity scene, and he isn't to have release until I say so, and that's that. If there's a real, pragmatic reason for delaying it at that point, we'll discuss that, but it's been rare. Most of the time, he just agrees outright, and there isn't anything more to it. From that point on, he's chaste. I can do as much tease and denial; he can beg, plead, and cajole all he wants, but it's all part of the experience we're sharing together.

And it is two to tango here, even if the dominant is the one calling the shots. Hence the whole 'together' part. Can't just leave the sub out in the cold. My own has had negative experiences in the past with former dommes who were too self-centred and neglectful; he often felt abandoned during the times it was most intense. And not in a happy or erotic way. Which means I have to be a bit more careful than perhaps I might usually be, so as to not aggravate old wounds.

I have to stress that, actually. If any male subs here have had experiences of abandonment, or other type of abuse where they felt their domme was less than respectful of their needs, or outright neglectful, please, don't hesitate to tell your domme so that she won't accidentally traipse upon territory which may only serve to reignite old fears; triggers that only bring about psychological pain and distress -- and, again, not in a 'hot-denial' sort of way. That's not fun for anybody.

So. Back to the device versus honour thing. While I'm intrigued by the implementation of a device every now and again, it's usually satiated by the satisfaction we both receive from the scenes the way we do them now. (Which, in case anyone's curious, we're keeping an active chastity journal on my website for the purpose of recording everything. It's pretty interesting so far. He'll be writing about the scene we did for his final release soon. I can't wait ... )

M Roulette Chatelaine


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RE: Chastity tips for femdoms and subs: "It's just... - 10/30/2009 3:45:57 AM   
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Mistress Roulette,
Thank You so much for Your thoughtful reply.  i truly appreciate it, and i enjoyed reading Your perspective.

You captured the sentiment that i had in mind when i replied to KCCuckoldmist that our ideas were not mutually exclusive.  While i understood Her perspective, i didn't feel that She acknowledged that there was a valid point that the gentleman and i were trying to share.  You captured that point very well.

i have engaged in forced chastity both with a device and without.  Both types of chastity have their place, and they entail very different dynamics.  Neither is better (ImO), they are just different.

The point that i was trying to make is that when i am in chastity without a device, it requires a much greater act of submission on my part.  It's kind of like the difference between telling someone "don't look in that closet", and then placing a big lock on the door, or giving them the same instruction and then leaving the door ajar.  The second scenario actually requires far more obedience than the first.  That was the only point that i was trying to make.

Of course, devices have their place too.  The intrusiveness of a physical device brings a dynamic all it's own.  The discomfort during sleep (if one can sleep at all) is a constant reminder of the Mistress' control during the period of confinement. 

i enjoy both forms of forced chastity, but as i tried to say initially, chastity without a device forces me to subordinate my own wants and desires to those of my Mistress.  It is a constant struggle of "need for release" versus "need to obey".  The experience is very profound (ImHO).  Chastity WITH a device gets the same ultimate result, but it eliminates the personal struggle to place Her desires above my own.

Perhaps my desire for that struggle is selfish, but if so, it is a selfish attempt to be selfless.  :-)

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RE: Chastity tips for femdoms and subs: "It's just... - 11/18/2009 8:37:05 AM   
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Re: sleeping comfortably in chastity

The Chastity Steel belt is very comfortable to sleep in. It is well designed and adjustable, so much so I was hardly aware of it being on unless I slept on my stomach. The tube can swivel on the locking stud of the belt so rolling over does not cause pinching or pressure. Because the ball ring does not get tighter when erect, it is actually pleasant although unsatisfying to get hard inside the tube. The adjustable waist band makes it a good choice for a long-term purchase.

Unfortunately the big tube makes a bulge in work pants and I feel security would be better with a way to hook a piercing inside the tube. But of the many devices I've worn the CS has been the most comfortable for sleeping.

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RE: Chastity tips for femdoms and subs: "It's just... - 11/18/2009 9:33:51 AM   
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I like this a lot except for the last thing. Nothing is all about one person and that is certainly true when you are discussing a powerful drive like sex and a human being.


I echo this.

I'd also like to add that I'm more into mental chastity. I like that a boy doesn't have to wear a device and still remain chaste until he is called upon to serve me. Oh it demands so much more will power but in the end, the sacrifice is sweeter, for me anyways.

Then again, I'm the wicked woman who makes paper handcuffs and raw quail egg gags. Ripping the cuffs or cracking the egg has dire consequences!

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RE: Chastity tips for femdoms and subs: "It's just... - 11/18/2009 10:01:37 AM   
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I don't have significant experience with chastity, but I have read that being kept in one *too* long diminishes the effect -- well, depending on what effect you're going for, of course.  If the idea is to keep the man frustrated, then (I'm told) it's better to let him climax, say, once every couple of weeks.  Keeping it suppressed for months at a time will result in a lessening of desire on his part.

(There's also the question of prostate health -- I believe I've read that to avoid problems, he should ejaculate at least once a month.  However, that could be handled with milking.)

My own fantasy in this regard would be combining chastity with long-term feminization play.  I'd be locked in the device, and would only be released when I was bound and blindfolded, so that I would never see or touch my own cock or balls again.  That would mean that the Lady involved would have to take care of the hygenic aspects of course (or have another sub do it for her), but you can see the appeal...

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RE: Chastity tips for femdoms and subs: "It's just... - 11/18/2009 10:27:53 AM   
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Oh.  Just did some googling.  They seem to work mostly with padlocks.  Those can be done easily and safely with bolt-cutters.  Bolt-cutters aren't cheap, though . . .


Some of the better ones have integrated locks, or a design which covers the shackle so it can't be cut off with bolt cutters.


These are tools that are also much more expensive. IN THEORY the person using a device with that kind of perminancy would have more experience...they would already know about emergency envelopes, would be dealing with a key-holder ethical enough to return the key in the event of break up, and/or would have an alternate exit strategy for emergencies.

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  Why couldn't you use chastity as a way to learn how to handle your own life rather than jerk off to feel better?

It sounds too much like a fat girl with a tub of ice cream drowning her sorrows

Difference is you give a fat girl sugar and she's likely to become more docile and happy. Take away a mans sexual outlet and there are ones that honestly do go a bit insane. It's not like you can throw vagina and run away to cure Pissy Man Syndrome like you can chocolate with female PMS.

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RE: Chastity tips for femdoms and subs: "It's just... - 11/18/2009 10:52:41 AM   
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quote:

Difference is you give a fat girl sugar and she's likely to become more docile and happy. Take away a mans sexual outlet and there are ones that honestly do go a bit insane. It's not like you can throw vagina and run away to cure Pissy Man Syndrome like you can chocolate with female PMS.


Umm... not sure what you are trying to say here but I'd be really curious to know how one throws a vagina! ;-)

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RE: Chastity tips for femdoms and subs: "It's just... - 11/19/2009 6:51:28 AM   
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Hi All,

i had to comment on this very informative and well written thread on male chastity.

i am an experienced chastity sub whose longest lock up was 6 months. Have always worn a variety of devices and know that i couldn't do chastity on the honour system alone.

ImHO, the wearing of a device adds to the overall submission as it is a constant reminder of my submission. Yes, there issues with comfort, showing under street clothing, participating in various activities, and especially, hygeine issues.

Its my belief that the sacrifice of chastity is the ultimate form of submission that a sub can give to a Key Holder.

In my case, chastity enables me to focus and concentrate on various tasks that must be completed w/out the distractions that would be present were i not wearing a chastity device. Of course, in addition to various tasks, pleasing my KH becomes utmost in my mind. 

i am currently wearing a chastity device that is locked and have secured the key where it is very difficult to access, but really prefer to have a KH. Not sure how long i shall stay in lockup but would really have a KH to determine the term.

lg

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RE: Chastity tips for femdoms and subs: "It's just... - 11/20/2009 9:06:58 AM   
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RE: Chastity tips for femdoms and subs: "It's just... - 11/20/2009 11:29:47 AM   
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Maybe it is a male thing, but when I was forbidden to cum, I didn't become desperate. In fact the longer I went, the less it really mattered. I never felt my orgasms were tied in any way to serving women and have never become stressed because I wasn't allowed to cum or masturbate.

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RE: Chastity tips for femdoms and subs: "It's just... - 12/13/2009 5:20:54 PM   
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I can not agree with you more with everything you wrote here.
for me Chastity makes me more submissive. when I am unlocked I get into a very strong work mode and being Mistress's slave is on the bottom of my list. when Locked I am a lot more focused on Mistress and keeping her happy. Also being locked is comforting to me as well as frustrating. the comforting part is that Mistress cares enough about me to take the control of me that I truly need.

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RE: Chastity tips for femdoms and subs: "It's just... - 12/13/2009 6:14:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

I compiled some general suggestions about the reality of 24/7 chastity (with device) and thought I'd share.  Of course, these are my personal observations, so YMMV.

Chastity Tips for Subs and Slaves

Show her how helpless you are – surrender and desperation are HOT!
I can’t speak for all femdoms, but I know that reactions are a huge thing for me. I like to be aware of how my dominance is affecting a man.  I know chastity has a BIG effect, so  I expect to see it in his eyes, receive a lot more attention in the way of communication (journals, letters), and see evidence of his increased willingness to serve and desperation to cum.

Instead of thinking about how it used to be when you could touch yourself and cum at will, use this time to ratchet up your physical devotion – you WILL be expected to still perform sexually in many cases, so without the use of your cock this means a lot of oral worship, enduring face sitting, giving long massages or sessions of foot worship, and other acts your lady may enjoy.

Channel your frustrations into service
So what do you do with all that unused sexual energy and built up stress?  Instead of sulking or whining, channel your energy into service (how can you make your lady’s day better right now, today, this moment?), devotion, attentiveness and action.  If you are unable to serve as much as you need to burn off that energy, turn to exercise, meditation or yoga.  Whatever you do, don’t let it go to waste. 

Your hygiene is your private business
Sure, she owns your cock, but that doesn’t mean she is responsible for the care, cleaning and hygiene of that property she so proudly owns..
  We ladies have never personally owned a cock (well, besides our lovely latex strapon friends), and we are not intimately familiar with your plumbing and other idiosyncrasies,  There are a lot of issues related to cleaning, comfort, avoiding of chaffing, and daily comfort to be addressed.

I’m not saying that your keyholder shouldn’t take a vested interest in your well being.  However, you should be the one to take initiative and do the research.  Read what other men write in their blogs about their experiences and peruse some of the sites that give tips on hygiene and comfort. The best place you can get advice on this issue is from other men who have been through the same scenario and know what you are feeling.

While we ladies DO love hearing about the discomfort related to denial, we’re not so keen on hearing about discomfort related to improper wear or poor hygiene.  Get this stuff taken care of so we can focus on the uncomfortable parts of your chastity that make us wet – namely, the heaviness in your balls related to the desperate need to cum!

Whimpering, not whining!
Clearly one of the huge turns ons for a keyholder is how desperate her chastity victim is.  But subs need to be keenly aware of the difference between whining/complaining and other forms of begging – namely, whimpering.  I can pretty safely say that no femdom is a fan of whining while most are very excited by various forms or pleading or desperation.

What is whining?  It’s the act of just asking pathetically like a child for release from something you probably begged for deliciously at the onset.    Best way to know you are going down this path?  She tells you, ”Stop whining!” or just ignores your behavior.

Don’t sulk
I think many men become withdrawn, confused and even go through emotional swings similar to grieving,  After all, it is a form of grieving, if think about it. Subs in chastity are grieving the loss of control over their own sexuality and pleasure, and the comforting, pleasurable and routine ritual of masturbation.  Some men use masturbation not only for sexual jollies, but for stress relieving, sleep aid and relaxation.  So not only are you having a sexual pleasure removed, in some cases you are losing a coping mechanism.

As you go through these emotions, don’t sulk.  Even if you feel like sulking.  Once again, realize that while your keyholder is interested in the sexy and taste impacts your denial is having on your sexuality and attitude she is not interested in your pouting and feeling sorry for yourself.  Channel these emotions into journaling or meditation.  Recognize and accept these feelings of loss, but don’t let them turn into the wet blanket over your chastity experience.

Focus on the big picture, even when it’s not “fun” any more
I think most subs go through a moment in chastity when they realize it isn’t “fun” like they thought it would be. For some subs, this is about 10 minutes after the lock is in place.  For other subs, it’s a few days later.  In fantasy, when you imagined chastity, it was just the good stuff.  You didn’t think about the daily drain of the device wearing, the discomfort, the sleepless nights, and the feeling like you aren’t getting enough attention or the right kind of attention.

When you are going through moods of fleeting desperation, hopelessness and frustration, know that these are momentary moods that do pass and that the greater process – your surrender and devotion – are more important than the feeling of the current moment.  Use this time to bond with your keyholder by sharing your thoughts about it and what it is doing to you emotionally.

Have a safety net
Figure out in advance what your safety net is, in case you have to remove your device either because you can’t handle it or because you have a safety issue.  Regardless of your safety net, know that honesty is most important; if you have to end your chastity, do so with honesty and integrity.  It’s only through trust that real chastity works, even when you DO have a device keeping you honest (most of the time).  If you run into trouble because of the gym, have to go do the doctor, or honestly cannot sleep and it’s impacting your state of mind and ultimately your job or relationships, some balance must be struck.  It’s not failure to have to rethink your chastity plan; it’s failure if you lie about it. 

Realize that all men are different
You may “last” 1 day or you may last 100 days.  You may require milking or other types of relief, or you may just breeze by in between moments of temporary horny insanity.  The moments of desperation may be short and intense followed by serenity, or may be non stop insanity.  All men react differently, with some men able to adapt quickly to chastity after a tough few days, while others do fine at the start then melt down a few days into it.  There’s no hard and fast rule, but recognize that you will probably go through a large range of emotions, from resentment to anger to sadness to peacefulness – just not at a predictable time.   There’s no set standard you need to follow – other than honesty and transparency with your keyholder.

At the end of the day, it’s about PLEASURE and FUN.  Well, HERS anyway…
Chastity isn’t about you (even though it makes it impossible to not think about your sexual needs).  In your fantasies, it was all about you and your cock and the impact of the denial. In real life, it’s about her, and what your chastity does for her and how it makes her feel.  If you are selfish, the chastity experiment will fail.  If you are ready to really surrender, it can be an intense and exciting ride.  But remember, most of all, it’s not about you anymore.  Your cock is no longer yours.


Akasha



lol. This is the one that always gets me...If I TRULY own something, then I am responsible for cleaning/maintaining it. I guess the ownership is a bit figurative...lol.

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RE: Chastity tips for femdoms and subs: "It's just... - 12/14/2009 7:59:59 AM   
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quote:

If I TRULY own something, then I am responsible for cleaning/maintaining it.


Ownership of something doesn't preclude having someone else (employee, servant, sub, slave) take care of it for you.

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RE: Chastity tips for femdoms and subs: "It's just... - 12/14/2009 2:40:34 PM   
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I'm suspicious that women who make guys wear chastity belts do it to avoid sex. I stopped begging my wife for sex a long time ago since we both know that's not going to happen. My advice to men is to not beg for sex, especially if you wife has been surfing the web for chastity devices. Basically women are always in charge when it comes to sex so begging is just a waste of time.

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RE: Chastity tips for femdoms and subs: "It's just... - 12/14/2009 3:33:19 PM   
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Well, it really depends on the individuals, doesn't it? Some women like to have their men begging them for sex. Some don't. I think you have to go in the direction she wants.

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RE: Chastity tips for femdoms and subs: "It's just... - 12/14/2009 5:33:26 PM   
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I'm suspicious that women who make guys wear chastity belts do it to avoid sex. I stopped begging my wife for sex a long time ago since we both know that's not going to happen.


Hmmmmm, that's odd.  Your wife is always very accommodating whenever I ask her for sex. 

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