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10 Steps For Making A Good First Impression - 9/6/2004 6:28:04 PM   
LadyAngelika


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How a Domme should be contacted seems to be a huge recurring issue in this forum. MaitresseEden and LadyAngelika have put together a little tutorial to help some of you understand what some of us might be looking for.

10 Steps For Making A Good First Impression

Caveat n°1: This approach will not necessarily work for all Dommes but we feel we were open enough in our suggestions that at the very least, the Domme you contact should not accuse you of disrespect or trolling. At the very least, we would hope not. We are hoping other Dommes will contribute to this with their own advice, opinions, needs, etc.

Caveat n°2: The examples we give here should NOT be copied & pasted and used as your own. You should simply find inspiration in them. We hope you will retain the spirit in which these examples are written and personalise them to represent yourself accurately.

Sample introduction letter

Dear Lady,

I have read your profile from beginning to end, not once but twice, to ensure that I didn't overlook anything. I realize that you took the time to write your profile so that others may learn from it.

My first impression of you is that you are a woman deserving respect and only the best. That said I am sincerely hoping that through my interactions, I might show you that I am worthy of your time, affections and dominance.

I would very much like if we could get better acquainted, the how, when, where and pace I leave as your final decision. But if I may humbly propose that whatever is convenient for you, be it, emails, instant messages, chatting, phones calls, meeting for coffee, would be more than satisfactory for me. I understand fully that a lady of your stature does not make rash decisions and that I must prove myself worthy of your time. I understand that things may or may not progress at a pace of your comfort level. I humbly agree to abide by whatever attentions you wish to grant me.

If you will grant me the privilege of meeting you I promise to meet whatever requirements you may have of me. I understand that your safety is of paramount concern and will gladly respect whatever method you deem to be appropriate.


----- The rest boys & girls will vary based on what you are looking for ------

1. Be clear about what you are seeking.

- Do you want a D/s or S&M play relationship?
- Do you want a monogamous relationship and eventually perhaps a lifetime commitment?
- Are you unsure about what you seek, and will leave that to the two of you to determine?

a) If the Domme you are contacting is not looking for applications, respect this! You can write to her and tell her that you realise she isn't looking for applicants but that nonetheless you appreciate her profile and simply wanted to let her know. You can also ask her if she has time to or an interest in entertain a friendship with no strings attached. Do not be pushy! FYI: Dommes do not keep waiting lists of potentials so don't ask to be put on one. However if you are friends first she may take interest at a later date.

b) If the Domme you are contacting has stated what she is looking for and it is not what you are looking for, move to the next profile and don't try and change her mind. Nothing is more insulting then a sub who wants to convince us of something we don't want.

c) If the Domme you are contacting hasn't said what she is looking for, you might want to ask her politely in your letter of introduction. If she doesn't respond to this, you might want to just keep looking. There is no guarantee that because someone states she is a Domme that she has it all together. Use your judgement.

2. State what attracted you particularly about her profile.

This is important. If the profile attracted you, it is important that you say why. Many of us take the time to write good profiles explaining who we are and what it is that we are looking for as well as our views on life and then BDSM dynamics.

The above is critical. Do NOT limit your attraction to solely our photo. That shows that you are superficial and vain. Most Dommes know they are beautiful, but wish to be appreciated for things other than our appearances.

Here are a few examples or what you might write:

a) In reading your profile I was impressed by your comment about "such and such" and found it to raise feelings of understanding and agreement within me. It was as if we were on the same page.

b) I believe that we share a similar view of dominance & submission and I have a feeling that it goes beyond that. It would be a privilege to discuss such issues with you and explore our compatibility.

c) When you stated that you wanted a submissive who held similar non-kinky interests as you I was pleased. I am delighted to see that you share my enthusiasm for "such and such".

You should draw parallels when possible. For example, if she mentions she likes to sail, and you have a sailboat, perhaps a short description of it would be good here.

3. Be truthful about your current status and obligations.

If you are married, have kids, have personal obligations, are willing to or not willing to relocate, have religious or social obligations or have time constraints, put them all on the table from the get go. A reasonable Domme will appreciate your honesty and decide whether or not she can work within potential limitations. If you get a negative response because you tried to communicate this, then just take a deep breath and move along. (You might however want to make sure her profile doesn't say "no married men" or "only local men" or "must be willing to relocate"). Honesty will always be the best policy.

4. Be truthful about your former experience.

Be honest about what you have experienced. Don't sugar coat it. Give a certain amount of detail but don't go overboard. This is an introduction letter. Also, if your experience is limited to Pro's or online experiences say so.

5. State what it is you are willing to offer.

Before you write what you want, write what you want to offer. This isn't a D/s thing. This is simply a courtesy thing. No one wants a selfish sub that lists only his/her desires. When we get a message that starts off with "Hello Mistress, I'm a slave boy into CBT, humiliation, and love being turned into your own private whore with your strap-on" we tend to either click delete or respond with something unpleasant like "go away, do-me sub". You have to woo a Domme. Write it from the heart. List what it is you want and not what it is that you think she wants. This also includes writing about your limits.

Here are a few examples or what you might write:

a) I am happy to offer whatever services you may require in exchange for nothing other than your happiness and the personal satisfaction of knowing that I pleased you in some small way.

b) My pleasure would be to give you pleasure. I find a life of servitude rewarding. I would very much like to learn which ways I would best be able to serve you.

c) I am a masochist who would consider it a privilege to lend my body to such a woman as yourself, for your pleasure and mutual enjoyment. My limits are "such & such".

6. List your skills.

You might want to write something such as "My skills and talents lie in the areas of (cleaning, ironing, chauffeuring, handyman, etc)." You can also list the skills you wish to develop. If your skills are in your profile and you want to be succinct in your initial note, you can say something along the lines of "if it pleases you Miss, please refer to my profile to see my list of skills"

7. List your interests.

It is important that you also put a short paragraph about your vanilla interests. If it is a relationship you are seeking, chances are, you will be spending equal if not much more time outside the kink zone then in it. Deciding whether the ultimate date is going to see the ballet or a ballgame might be something you want to clear up ahead of time. Even if it is not a relationship that you are seeking, for most Dommes, we appreciate knowing that there is more then a piece of flesh to you.

8. Avoid negativity.

The title says it all but here are a few basics to check for:
- Don't put negative comments about other Dommes in your message. You are addressing a Domme you wish to impress and she doesn't particularly care about the other Dommes you've contacted.
- Don't use a jaded tone. An eager (not overly eager) and positive tone is always appreciated.
- Don't complain about how you have such a hard time finding the right Domme.

9. Revise for grammar & spelling.

When you are chatting, things can slip. Even little posts here or there. But when you are trying to put your best foot forward, isn't she worth a few extra minutes of double-checking? A message full of typos gives the impression of negligence and carelessness.

Also, many Dommes have mentioned on these boards and in other forums that they are not fond of chat lingo such as "It wood B so gr8 2 serve U Ma'am". In your first correspondence however, it might be better to assume that she won't appreciate it. If she responds to you using the lingo, then it's a good sign that it's fine. You might even want to ask her early on what her thoughts on it are.

Some Dommes Like "W/we " and online protocol others detest it. A good rule of thumb is look at how their profile is written. If it contains it, use it, if not, don't!

10. Keep your messages short or parse them to avoid them being truncated.

If you have a very heavy message, chances are it might get truncated. You may want to keep the first message relatively short (especially if your profile mentions already a lot about you). But if you feel you have a lot to say, you might want to email a Part I and Part II (note that this might turn some Dommes off). You might also want to add your other email address (yahoo, hotmail, etc) for further correspondences as the messages can run a little longer.

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This advice isn't all encompassing. It's a starting point. All you can do is try your best. Even the best-written letter might not get you what it is that you want. But you can take satisfaction in that you have made a good effort and have faith that your efforts will hopefully eventually pay off.

Yours truly,

Mademoiselle Angelika & Maitresse Eden

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RE: 10 Steps For Making A Good First Impression - 9/6/2004 6:54:24 PM   
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Dear Lady Angelika,

First many thanks to Maîtresse Eden and Your-self for putting this sample together. I think many subs, me included, have a few things to learn from your work.
Please allow me this request for one clarification: A letter covering all the points of discussion would invariably be a relativy long write-up. I, for one, would be worried to appear invasive to a Mistress, or wasting the time of a Mistress who is ,after all, perhaps not even interested in my message. Would it be just appreciated to have a first letter that is similar to the introduction portion but that also requests permission to send a more descriptive letter, would she manifest an interest for the application?

Monsieur42

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RE: 10 Steps For Making A Good First Impression - 9/6/2004 7:08:20 PM   
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Monsieur,

While you are correct that a letter of such could be on incredible length, is not a potential Mistress worth the effort? To avoid the risk of appearing evasive, perhaps start with a brief introduction as mentioned. Then, request permission to write her a more lengthy email immediately upon her request. I for one will always respond to someone who took the time to compose something of great length, provided it is original and specifically tailored to me. In all actuality a letter as we stated above could be done in equal length as to the post above. I for one do not consider that to be lengthy, especially if it is well thought out and well written.

Ms. Eden

< Message edited by MaitresseEden -- 9/6/2004 7:41:19 PM >


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RE: 10 Steps For Making A Good First Impression - 9/6/2004 9:40:32 PM   
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I just thought of something to add to this.

If her profile is long and descriptive, she'll appreciate long and descriptive.

If her profile is short & sweet, she'll most likely appreciate short & sweet more.

- LA

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RE: 10 Steps For Making A Good First Impression - 9/10/2004 9:47:22 AM   
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First of all, I think this is great and I appreciate the work of putting it together and taking what may come for posting it.

My first thought was about the level of over-politeness in the examples. My impression of this sub would be negative. I think it sounds insincere. I would expect his next note to be all about what I can do for him and how he's available to be serviced.

Any sub reading this should not cut and paste the replies and expect they've found the magic potion to get Dommes. Make it personal for yourself and from what you know of her through the profile she wrote. Write in your own style. Maybe you are into the more polite style. But if you aren't don't write some kind of suck up letter expecting it to work. Be yourself as one of the points states.

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RE: 10 Steps For Making A Good First Impression - 9/10/2004 9:54:06 AM   
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Under your experience you should also list (or at least mention) what munches or play parties you have attended. I find this is making a huge difference for me. I'm not that keen on men who have never gone to a munch. I've only gotten to one (so far) but the people there were a different calibre from those in the general run online.

Some Dommes find online experience ok. Others don't really count it and are more interested in what you have really done, offline.

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RE: 10 Steps For Making A Good First Impression - 9/12/2004 11:24:28 AM   
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quote:

My first thought was about the level of over-politeness in the examples. My impression of this sub would be negative. I think it sounds insincere. I would expect his next note to be all about what I can do for him and how he's available to be serviced.


Yes, well consider it overcompensation for all the rudeness we encounter perhaps ;) One of the strongest bits of advice we tried to iterate through the post was to personalise this. Make it your own style, etc.

quote:

Any sub reading this should not cut and paste the replies and expect they've found the magic potion to get Dommes.


Of course no one should cut & paste the replies. That was our Caveat n°2.

This was in response to all the threads where men wondered what they were doing wrong. This isn’t a magic solution, simply a bit of insight from 2 Dommes, now 3’s perspective. I guess I was hoping more would contribute with their perspectives. Ah well, we Dommes can be finicky that way! ;)

- LA

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RE: 10 Steps For Making A Good First Impression - 9/12/2004 12:05:59 PM   
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My question for Laura is.. Why would politeness be viewed as a Negative? In order for that to hold up then rudeness would have to be viewed as a Positive. I am confused as to how one would view respectful and polite behavior as a Negative attribute. As for Sincerity, I would expect the words themselves to convey sincerity, or intent. Yes they should write personal, and from their own heart. I just don't see respect and politiness as sucking up. But of course, that is just my perspective.

Ms.Eden

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RE: 10 Steps For Making A Good First Impression - 9/12/2004 3:49:45 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MaitresseEden

My question for Laura is.. Why would politeness be viewed as a Negative? In order for that to hold up then rudeness would have to be viewed as a Positive.


I didn't say rudeness was a plus any more than I said politeness was not.

For me that overpoliteness is insincere. That's all. If that's the way he really is, if he speaks that way everyday, thats different. But, I doubt it. If anyone approached me with that over polite speech I would be turned off and expect they were only doing it to get something. I would much prefer someone be themselves, and write in the way they usually speak.

Rudeness is never a plus, that also turns me off. If they write with a lot of typos and crude language I am turned off too. I'm not looking for a sissy but I don't want mannerless slob either. Most people are not one extreme or the other, there are shades of grey.

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RE: 10 Steps For Making A Good First Impression - 9/13/2004 11:12:49 PM   
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BRAVA!! DIVAS!!!

Only one thing I would add, that a polite, "No thank you." Is a dismissal. It is not an invitation to ask why, or to whine. Many of Us have stopped writting those because of whys and whinning.

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RE: 10 Steps For Making A Good First Impression - 9/14/2004 5:19:39 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TheLadyAlisad
Only one thing I would add, that a polite, "No thank you." Is a dismissal. It is not an invitation to ask why, or to whine. Many of Us have stopped writting those because of whys and whinning.



Good point.. EXCELLENT POINT.. I hate the Whiners who beg to convince you that they are perfect for you but refuse to tell you how.

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RE: 10 Steps For Making A Good First Impression - 9/14/2004 4:31:55 PM   
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Dommes,
please excuse me for intruding in Your forum. i just wanted to thank You for an excellent thread and advice. i have had male subs ask me how to find a Mistress and i always reference this thread.

jill


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RE: 10 Steps For Making A Good First Impression - 9/14/2004 7:47:12 PM   
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Not an intrusion at all.. Anyone is welcome!


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RE: 10 Steps For Making A Good First Impression - 9/14/2004 9:34:41 PM   
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Wonderful post and suggestion ladies...
Making it a little easy for the subs, but I suppose they need help.
Very nice work though...
Thanks for putting the work in.
Lady in RI

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RE: 10 Steps For Making A Good First Impression - 9/15/2004 5:06:54 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig

Wonderful post and suggestion ladies...
Making it a little easy for the subs, but I suppose they need help.
Very nice work though...
Thanks for putting the work in.
Lady in RI


Thank you for the kind words.

Though, from my perspective, I don't consider this making it easy for them. I consider this in many ways to be setting expectations for them and giving them certain tools to carry out those expectations.

There is still quite a bit of challenge left as they will have to find their own voice and reflect on these points before contact us.

- LA

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RE: 10 Steps For Making A Good First Impression - 9/16/2004 11:55:43 AM   
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This is one of the best "how to's" I have seen. I would like permission to reuse it when new folks join munches I run.
Thanks,
Ana :)

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RE: 10 Steps For Making A Good First Impression - 9/16/2004 8:58:03 PM   
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No argument from me on that .. Pass it on.. the more educated people get the better!

Ms.Eden

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RE: 10 Steps For Making A Good First Impression - 9/19/2004 2:16:19 PM   
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good day,ladies,
Thank you so much for the information,i only wish i could go back now,
with this knowledge and remedy that first bad impression i made on some. :P
looks at madam eden)
ah,well,in time hopefully i will allowed to begin anew.
once again,thank you! You amazing ladies,for sharing helpful hints to some of us who get nervous even on sites speaking with someone we are attracted to,lol..at least i have a better chance now.Thanks.
sub kenny

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RE: 10 Steps For Making A Good First Impression - 9/19/2004 2:37:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: apureoneforyou



good day,ladies,
Thank you so much for the information,i only wish i could go back now,
with this knowledge and remedy that first bad impression i made on some. :P
looks at madam eden)
ah,well,in time hopefully i will allowed to begin anew.
once again,thank you! You amazing ladies,for sharing helpful hints to some of us who get nervous even on sites speaking with someone we are attracted to,lol..at least i have a better chance now.Thanks.
sub kenny



Tis never too late to make a good impression, now that you have the knowledge need to know how. One must always endeavor to persevere!

Ms. Eden

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RE: 10 Steps For Making A Good First Impression - 10/2/2004 2:25:40 AM   
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Another note: Any letter that sounds like a form letter will also usually be deleted. Make it personal and individual. We can spot form letters a mile away.

I may be an odd bird but I when considering personal boys, I don't want to hear word one about his sexual desires/fantasies/skills. I don't know the man yet and could care less what sexual things he brings to the table until I know him better and have expressed interest in knowing about them (and that doesn't happen until an in the flesh meeting, ever). I know he's submissive, he chose me to write in the first place didn't he?

Just a little more food for thought.


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