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ORIGINAL: rick1283

I think I see what the OP was saying, but he REALLY needs to work on his vocabulary and usage, especially if he wants a positive response.
Other than that, I'll be damned if I'm going to defend him.

I want to know, where is the line between a "fake" woman and a "real" woman?

As far as I can tell, the only things he doesn't like are the facts that:
1. They weren't born with a pussy, and he doesn't have the mental capacity of a male dog sniffing a bitch in heat.
2. He must have a Y-chromosome fetish or something (so look out ladies, he'll only like you for your cells.), and he can't get excited unless they are there.
3. Not every one wants to be upfront about their change, probably because of idiots like him who will go out of their way to insult them and degrade them for who they are, and then turn around and say something like, "Oh! Whats wrong? I'd love to know. I can't have been what I said. could it? Nah, I didn't MEAN to be offensive."

Seriously. If you don't like it, just skip over them. I do it if they don't tickle my fancy, and so does everyone else on the site.
I may be the youngest person to post on this thread, but I have some advice for you: Grow up. Neither the world nor its people revolve around you, and none of them are going to conform to your idea of perfection.

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ORIGINAL: stellauk

I'd just like to come back to add - just in case the OP thinks I'm being hostile or insulting - I'm not. I understand the situation, that a very few, a small minority of men (these people are not transgendered by any means) get off by presenting themselves as women or transsexuals and deceiving men.

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ORIGINAL: YourToDeny

This is not a post against trans-gendered people its a post about playing impostor instead of being upfront. Its not political and I don't mean to be 'offensive' - some people will be offended no matter what but that still doesn't make a dominant woman and a dominant transgendered individual the same thing. I would think the dominant woman who have a hard time finding a quality reliable submissive would appreciate the help as well. I never used the word "fake" but using the word "same" would be equally disingenuous.

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ORIGINAL: YourToDeny

But is it right for the TG individual to impose their definition of sex-identity upon the community as a whole? I think its an open question.

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ORIGINAL: YourToDeny


Silly man-dom. Vocabulary isn't a rule. Meaning no offense and saying so should be enough for decent society, or even ours. I am doing a comprehensive search.

For the bunch of you to insist on the one hand that sexual identity is a conceptual matter - fine I can agree with that. But for all the presupposition that you are looking into it so much more 'deeply' than other people, I call you short sighted if you think the identity of a woman is limited to what any man can emulate. To say there is nothing distinctly and uniquely female about a woman with two X chromosomes is highly disingenuous.

And your final sentence in point #3 reveals the volatility of the hormonal teenager - a compliment! Think about how many people in their late 20's pretend to be 19. They may feel like they're 19 but there's that undeniable difference.

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ORIGINAL: stellauk

Thing is, this is really a non-issue for most people.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
To the OP: I should think everyone using this site has a corn or two that can be stepped on. Be careful of those of others, eh? Also, I know full well that being a submale can be a grind. But it's not usually in the same league of grind as being transgendered. Best to throw your mind as open as you can when you call in at these CM forums.

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ORIGINAL: YourToDeny

Women unlike men have much less a need to advertise their single-ness

i think you're referring to the fact that men outnumber women on this site, and especially, male submissives outnumber female Dominants.

What this means is that if we have non-women posting themselves as women, we get a disproportionate amount of men in the search - I have hidden at least a hundred men from the search (every time I see a wrongly classified page I hide it) and they are still overwhelming the submissive male's search for a dominant female. This hampers the effectiveness of the website.

As far as i am concerned, you're welcome to discard anyone from your search, for any reason. i don't think the term *bigotry* applies to romance or sex. What gets you hot gets you hot, and what doesn't, doesn't. i don't think the same concepts of "fairness" apply here as would apply if you were hiring someone for a job, for example. If you aren't interested in transvestites or transgender individuals, or *anyone*, you are free to pass them by.

Having said that... i find it REAL hard to believe that biologically female Dominants are literally being "drowned out" by all the lying TV and TG Dominants out to deceive poor, unsuspecting male submissives. The reason you're having difficulty finding Someone is because, as you said yourself, submissive males far outnumber Dominant females. That's not anybody's fault, it's just a fact.

Technically, the number of TVs or TGs identifying as women does not affect the number of submissive men on the site, but rather the number of Dominant women. What that means is that you may have to screen potential cantidates to make sure that they are biologically female, if what you are searching for is a biological female. i can understand your frustration if they're downright *lying* about it. But this is the internet, and people sometimes lie. That problem is experienced by everyone, not just you. Incidently, it's a free website, and you get what you pay for.

Moral grounds: it seems wrong for a TV to post as a dominant female and assume a position of power under false pretenses to try to manipulate submissive males who are looking for what they truly want.

Seriously: how many TV or TG dominants have approached you, (or you approached them) and *flat out* claimed that they were biologically female, only to have you find later that it wasn't true? What are these "false pretenses" you're talking about?

Come closer... i have a secret to tell you. It may shock you to hear it. You pass by people every day whose biological gender is not obvious at a glance. Gasp. Yes, it's true. And yet, as a society we don't require people to wear labels for easy indentification. In real life, you have to ask.

i'll grant you this: it would be easier for you if all TVs and TGs identified themselves as such. If i were TV or TG i would explicitly state it in my profile, to avoid any misunderstandings or resentment. Surely you aren't the only person on this site for whom *biological gender* makes a difference. However, please try to see things from the opposite point of view. If you feel put upon as a male submissive trying to find a match, think of how much more disadvantaged TVs and TGs must feel. And i can understand not wanting to walk around the site (so to speak) while "wearing" that label. After all, in real life, it's probably *not* immediately obvious. It might be unfair to expect it to be here.

Again I make this protest with the utmost respect for those involved in this practice, and I mean no offense...

In that case, perhaps it would be better not to refer to people as non-women, pseudo women, or to make statements like females have less of a need to advertise their singleness (singleness?), or males have a desperation to be selected and females don't.

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ORIGINAL: stellauk

There's a lot of ignorance and discrimination, because a number of people think the transgendered are trying to be someone they're not. Actually the reverse is true,

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ORIGINAL: YourToDeny
Not at all. I am using your unique status as an example to illustrate another point. Respectfully, just relax and try to see what I am saying.