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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/26/2011 4:50:38 PM   
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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/26/2011 4:57:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rick1283

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ORIGINAL: YourToDeny
Not at all. I am using your unique status as an example to illustrate another point. Respectfully, just relax and try to see what I am saying.


The only person this whole thing is a problem for, is you. So, learn to deal with it like any normal person deals with problems they have no way of fixing.



Not really. Its easy to throw stones when you're in the majority as a 'dominant' male. Dominant women are a minority - they are greatly outnumbered by submissive men but we are also in the minority.

As a submissive male I can't even get away with posting a photo of anything less than my own personal face without having it removed by administrators for being 'misrepresentative' - why the double standard, Collarme.com?

I'm forced to go with no picture at all or a very plain depiction of myself that anybody I know could recognize. They won't even let me 'blur' it without eventually having a moderator flag and delete it.

But I go searching for Dommes and all forms of misrepresentation are rampant.

To VideoAdminTheta - what are the chances CollarMe will add an XX and XY to the gender options category? If not, why not? It is certainly specific.


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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/26/2011 5:00:33 PM   
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Oh, this is going to be good. Look here, cupcake.  When I stop laughing and find a way to be civil in My response, I'll be back.

Yeah, it is kind of one of those, "Gosh, where to start???" sort of posts.


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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/26/2011 5:01:27 PM   
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For many here, you are not come to the forums and complain. To say that you want your dominant women to actually be born a woman...then profile it and make it clear in all of your correspondence. Tell them if you meet and 'she' was not born a woman and still similarly equipped, you might make them one.

Despite those who suggest otherwise, life on the internet IS...life on the internet. One can treat it as the beauty it is or pick a few fights with it.

In real life, if a guy tells me grabbing his 55 inch waistline...'the women love it' I let him believe it. If a guy tells me his 600 HP car gets 40 MPG, I tell him...not without serious gearing i,e., you are going to find bullshitters...everywhere.

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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/26/2011 5:02:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: YourToDeny


Not really. Its easy to throw stones when you're in the majority as a 'dominant' male. Dominant women are a minority - they are greatly outnumbered by submissive men but we are also in the minority.

As a submissive male I can't even get away with posting a photo of anything less than my own personal face without having it removed by administrators for being 'misrepresentative' - why the double standard, Collarme.com?

I'm forced to go with no picture at all or a very plain depiction of myself that anybody I know could recognize. They won't even let me 'blur' it without eventually having a moderator flag and delete it.

But I go searching for Dommes and all forms of misrepresentation are rampant.

To VideoAdminTheta - what are the chances CollarMe will add an XX and XY to the gender options category? If not, why not? It is certainly specific.





I wouldn't be the person you need to speak with about these things. You can direct your comments and concerns to Support.

It's not my job!

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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/26/2011 5:04:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: YourToDeny
As a submissive male I can't even get away with posting a photo of anything less than my own personal face without having it removed by administrators for being 'misrepresentative' - why the double standard, Collarme.com?

But I go searching for Dommes and all forms of misrepresentation are rampant.


Who said I was strictly Dom? I genuinely enjoy being dommed if it is by a person I respect enough.
Male, female or trans. But those people are few and far between, so there was no reason for me so put myself up as a "switch."

Back to the main point of the thread:
Its a free site, as stated earlier.

Beggars can't be choosers.


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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/26/2011 5:07:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: YourToDeny

TV's, post-ops, no offense! But do you have any idea how hard it is to find a female dominant even when all of the matches are women?


It has nothing to do with gender or orientation, actually, but mutual compatibility and that can be tough to find no matter what your orientation or gender may be. I'm a female, submissive and it took me damn near 15 years before finding the right relationship for me. It can happen but if anyone promised you an easy fix, they lied. There ain't no such animal.



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1. For every dominant woman there are about 25 submissive men


Opinions are not facts.

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2a. Women unlike men have much less a need to advertise their single-ness


Cite your source, please because unless I actually do advertise that I'm single no one is going to know and less are going to care since single or married doesn't seem to be a deal breaker for a lot of people. How do you know the women to whom you write are single? Don't they have some sort of information in their profile or search criteria as to what they are seeking? Isn't such a form of advertising? If you read my profile. you will see it clearly specifies that I am not looking, not single but if I were, you can be damn sure that I'm going to state such to increase my chance of finding a potential match if I am so inclined.

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2b. What this means is that if we have non-women posting themselves as women, we get a disproportionate amount of men in the search - I have hidden at least a hundred men from the search (every time I see a wrongly classified page I hide it) and they are still overwhelming the submissive male's search for a dominant female. This hampers the effectiveness of the website.


You have a winning strategy. You hide the profiles which do not work for you. That's great. Things are probably not going to be changed just to make your searching easier so you will be better served to save your energy for your search instead of putting so much effort into complaining about your search.

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2c. The reason TV's are drowning out the dominant females is that basic difference between a woman and a man - I am not telling you how to define yourself (and never will) and I say as respectfully as possible, TV's advertising as females are starting to outnumber the women on this site.


Not even close to true. Stick to facts. Twisting and spinning to make things seem worse than they are to gain sympathy only damages your credibility.

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The true dominant woman is a rare breed and she is rarely available. It is not fair to the submissive males to drown her out.


Dominant women are not bred and if you are worried about life being fair, your parents did you a grave injustice by not pointing out to you while you were still in grammar school that life is not fair.

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The difference between a pseudo-female and a female is that pseudos still have that male desperation to be selected (something women don't have to worry about)


I can only surmise from this little tidbit that you haven't had much experience with females. Geeze.. they even have a TV show about desperation and the female gender. It's called Desparate Housewives.


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so if you put your profile in that category you are putting a practical barrier between two groups of people who work hard to find each other to live the life they feel they need.


It's not at all a practical barrier. You hide the profile and move on. You already knew that though.

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3. Moral grounds: it seems wrong for a TV to post as a dominant female and assume a position of power under false pretenses to try to manipulate submissive males who are looking for what they truly want.


Your morals perhaps, but not everyone has the same morals nor makes the gross assumption that false pretenses are even in play. That's *your* notion, not a fact in evidence.

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4. There is a category for TV's and if submissive males are looking for them, they should know where to find them.


And you are not in that catagory so take the 5 seconds to hide those with whom you are not compatible and your little problem is well solved.


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Again I make this protest with the utmost respect for those involved in this practice, and I mean no offense, but in this lifestyle the right Woman and the right man have a hard enough time finding each other without all the biological females being drowned out unfairly and blocked by a group that should technically be in another category.

YTD


There's that fair word again. Life ain't fair. You really need to get used to things not being handed to you on a silver platter and even if something does get handed to you like that, rest assured you will still have to take plenty of elbow grease to keep things from getting tarnished.

As an aside.. LadyP did not come back and write because she is female or dominant. Female dominants are not some mythical beasts whose word is always good based on their gender or orientation. LadyP posted because she happens to be a *person* who is true to her word.

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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/26/2011 5:09:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OttersSwim

So let's see here...you are pissed off because you keep encountering "other-gendered" Dominant folk listed as female Dominants and that is making you actually have to read their profiles to see if they are cis-gendered or not?

And you don't consider them women...

All of the offensive stuff you have said aside, it is part of the process to read prospective profiles and make a determination of whether that person would be compatible for you or not.  If you carry with you a bias against someone who is other-gendered, then that is your responsibility to weed those folks out of your search. 

Welcome to the free BDSM dating site - CollarMe.com.

No one owes you anything here...

Read Stella's posts twice and realize that the people who you are claiming are not women...are women...regardless of what plumbing they were born with... 


No I am not 'pissed off'. I mention it because it is a growing concern. As a longtime CM user and one of the few sub males to post here I can tell you in the last year there has been a huge surge of TG's in the Double-X Domme category.

Be offended if you choose to but i am not trying to offend you.

I like Stellas post but I can read it a million times and Stella is nice but she's also not posting her profile in the Domme category.

As far as that goes, what makes you think you get to define femininity more than any of the other people? Don't discount the possibility that your definition is just as oppressive to those of the Double-X persuasion as the macho XY definition has been for centuries. Some highly political Dommes may be glad to put politics first but that doesn't mean they speak for all women.

I am not here to debate your identity but to bring to the attention of the community the surge in misrepresentative - or at the least 'insufficiently specific' - profiles. They are drowning out the minority, that rarest of rarities, the dominant woman with the double-x chromes. In a way it is misogynistic to allow it to continue without in the very least being discouraged.

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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/26/2011 5:15:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

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ORIGINAL: stellauk

There's a lot of ignorance and discrimination, because a number of people think the transgendered are trying to be someone they're not. Actually the reverse is true,

Re-quoted for truth



Re-re-quoted for truth. ;-)

From what I've come to understand, the transgendered are those for whom all their most basic feelings about themselves aren't matched by the flesh with which they were born surrounded. So, for such people, to be honest and true, that flesh may need to get changed - and that ain't easy.

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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/26/2011 5:16:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: YourToDeny
Not really. Its easy to throw stones when you're in the majority as a 'dominant' male. Dominant women are a minority - they are greatly outnumbered by submissive men but we are also in the minority.

I'm not exactly sure what you are referring to as the 'minority'.  I'll be the first to agree that there are fewer Dominant women than submissive males.  Depending on how you look at it, all kinky people are in the 'minority' compared to vanilla folks, so I'm not really sure what your point is here.

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As a submissive male I can't even get away with posting a photo of anything less than my own personal face without having it removed by administrators for being 'misrepresentative' - why the double standard, Collarme.com?

Now you're confusing Me even more.  Your thread is about folks misrepresenting themselves in your opinion.  If you want to post pictures that aren't of you, wouldn't that be kind of the same thing?

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I'm forced to go with no picture at all or a very plain depiction of myself that anybody I know could recognize. They won't even let me 'blur' it without eventually having a moderator flag and delete it.

There are some really good past threads about how to be creative with your primary pic.  A very good example on this thread is peonforher.  I would name others but I don't want to put anyone's name into this thread who hasn't made a comment.

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But I go searching for Dommes and all forms of misrepresentation are rampant.

Some people do that, yes, but the particular group of folks that you're trying to pin this on isn't the greatest section of people doing that.

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To VideoAdminTheta - what are the chances CollarMe will add an XX and XY to the gender options category? If not, why not? It is certainly specific.

I'm not Theta, of course, but I wanted to mention something here.  If someone is post-op and legally female, I'm not sure that would really be fair.  Would I want them to tell Me?  Yes, I would.  That's the way that I want to deal with people.  Can I understand why they might want to put their prior life as a male behind them?  Yes, I can.


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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/26/2011 5:17:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: YourToDeny
that rarest of rarities


Is this starting to sound like Avatar to anyone else?
Sounds to me that they are like unobtanium, and don't exist on the vast majority of the planet Earth,


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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/26/2011 5:25:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: YourToDeny
Not really. Its easy to throw stones when you're in the majority as a 'dominant' male. Dominant women are a minority - they are greatly outnumbered by submissive men but we are also in the minority.

I'm not exactly sure what you are referring to as the 'minority'.  I'll be the first to agree that there are fewer Dominant women than submissive males.  Depending on how you look at it, all kinky people are in the 'minority' compared to vanilla folks, so I'm not really sure what your point is here.

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As a submissive male I can't even get away with posting a photo of anything less than my own personal face without having it removed by administrators for being 'misrepresentative' - why the double standard, Collarme.com?

Now you're confusing Me even more.  Your thread is about folks misrepresenting themselves in your opinion.  If you want to post pictures that aren't of you, wouldn't that be kind of the same thing?



I don't want to post a picture of someone else but it would be nice to post a picture of something other than my face. I have tried just using my eyes and still had the moderator delete it. Now that you know what I mean, yes it is a double standard.

You are in the minority because most of the women in the BDSM community are submissives or switches. Submissive males are outnumbered by those men who fancy themselves as dominant as well. So the traditional fem-sub and male-dom can throw all the stones they want but they don't have to worry about limited options. Dommes and male subs are like Pandas - they go extinct because there are few of them whoever find suitable mates.

A "Dominant Female XY" and "Dominant Female XX" category would be fair because dominant women wouldn't have to be drown out and submissive men could search for who they want to meet.

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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/26/2011 5:26:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

If someone is post-op and legally female, I'm not sure that would really be fair.  Would I want them to tell Me?  Yes, I would.  That's the way that I want to deal with people.  Can I understand why they might want to put their prior life as a male behind them?  Yes, I can.




No, it would not be fair. If someone's now a woman, she's a woman, and that's that. There are people born women who have unusually deep voices, scars, who can't reproduce, and so on and so on . . . these are things that will come to light with partners who trust each other. It shouldn't be an issue. Christ, if a woman's tasty to me, I wouldn't give a toss. Life is much, much too short.

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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/26/2011 5:27:32 PM   
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The Essential Point repeated, condensed:

As far as that goes, what makes you think you get to define femininity more than any of the other people? Don't discount the possibility that your definition is just as oppressive to those of the Double-X persuasion as the macho XY definition has been for centuries. Some highly political Dommes may be glad to put politics first but that doesn't mean they speak for all women.

I am not here to debate your identity but to bring to the attention of the community the surge in misrepresentative - or at the least 'insufficiently specific' - profiles. They are drowning out the minority, that rarest of rarities, the dominant woman with the double-x chromes. In a way it is misogynistic to allow it to continue without in the very least being discouraged.

< Message edited by YourToDeny -- 2/26/2011 5:29:17 PM >

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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/26/2011 5:31:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: YourToDeny

Dommes and male subs are like Pandas


I have called this principle, by which each slight variation, if useful, is preserved, by the term of Natural Selection.
Charles Darwin
In other words, if its gonna happen, its gonna happen.

But you want to know something? It doesn't work like that.



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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/26/2011 5:38:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: YourToDeny

Some highly political Dommes may be glad to put politics first but that doesn't mean they speak for all women.


YTD - you, yourself, are putting politics first. Conservatives everywhere think that they're being 'non-political' in their views, but they're not. They're retailing the political views of others - the established majority before them - that's all. Whether you like it or not, you absolutely *have* made your political-ideological views clear in this thread.

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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/26/2011 5:39:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rick1283

Please stop paying attention to me because I am highly reactionary and can't distinguish the difference between 'consensus' and 'correct'.


Okay no problem l'il Einstein. You were only useful as an example that was over your head anyway. And you keep pushing the borders of polite discourse. Ta ta.

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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/26/2011 5:41:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: YourToDeny

Some highly political Dommes may be glad to put politics first but that doesn't mean they speak for all women.


YTD - you, yourself, are putting politics first. Conservatives everywhere think that they're being 'non-political' in their views, but they're not. They're retailing the political views of others - the established majority before them - that's all. Whether you like it or not, you absolutely *have* made your political-ideological views clear in this thread.

Nothing is more insulting than trying to tell someone what they think. You want to talk politics and I will break out my list of awesome reasons for loving the fact that Gordon Brown got his ass handed to him - but how about we just stick to the subject?

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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/26/2011 5:44:17 PM   
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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/26/2011 5:50:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: YourToDeny
I don't want to post a picture of someone else but it would be nice to post a picture of something other than my face. I have tried just using my eyes and still had the moderator delete it. Now that you know what I mean, yes it is a double standard.

You are in the minority because most of the women in the BDSM community are submissives or switches. Submissive males are outnumbered by those men who fancy themselves as dominant as well. So the traditional fem-sub and male-dom can throw all the stones they want but they don't have to worry about limited options. Dommes and male subs are like Pandas - they go extinct because there are few of them whoever find suitable mates.

A "Dominant Female XY" and "Dominant Female XX" category would be fair because dominant women wouldn't have to be drown out and submissive men could search for who they want to meet.

Dude, that highlighted above is just silly.  I can promise you that Dominant women are not dying out for lack of partners.  Go to your local munch and tell Me that you see more trans Dominants than female Dominants.

I honestly don't look through the profiles of Dominant women.  I don't really know what's out there.  I do have trouble believing that the issue is as bad as you say.  If it is, shut off the computer and get involved in your local BDSM community.


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