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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/27/2011 5:46:04 AM

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I can't say I appreciate a few others above who blatantly ignore that meaning no offense was the first thing I had to say, so thanks especially for being cordial.

You can say you meant no offense in your OP until you are blue in the face, but if your OP is offensive, people are going to call you on it.

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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/27/2011 6:00:49 AM

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Well we're abit tighter and need lubrication but the results are aesthetically pleasing :)
pretty much my point...I can only speak for myself, but it truly wouldn't matter a whit to me if my partner was born male or female

See? It isn't just the hormonal teenager that thinks this! It's quite a few of the people here. Maybe the trans just don't want to put it upfront on their profiles to avoid flame from closed-mined clots who think they shouldn't exist? It's sad, but they ARE out there. Just like the KKK going after blacks, just because of their breed.

Heh. I began to think this decades ago, along with most of my male schoolfriends. When I first discovered that the celebrated model of the Smirnoff ads was born a male, in fact. This is the lady in question - I reckon she'll bring back fond memories:

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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/27/2011 6:06:58 AM

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Fastreply as I am on my way out the door!

Here is the thinking...

"I don't believe these transgendered people are really "women" or "men" as they claim..."

Thereby...

It is okay to exclude them from my gender's public restroom.
It is okay to deny them entrance to my business, restaurant, service.
It is okay to deny them employment, or fire them if I find out that they are transgendered.
It is okay to deny them housing, or evict them if I find out that they are transgendered.
It is okay to deny them basic medical care for their condition, and to not insure for it.

That is the thinking that pervades the mainstream right-wing (mostly religious) opposition today.

Your job, should you choose to accept it, is to find out in how many U.S. states, those basic denials of rights are still quite legal - and issues that transgendered women and men face each and every day.

Then go look up the statistics for targeted transgender murders in 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010...look at the trend...

There is a lot at stake here for other-gendered folk, and it is no surprise thereby, if we are just a bit passionate about it all...

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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/27/2011 6:08:03 AM

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.is a natural vagina any better than a man-made one

Not sure, but if someone has the money, I think it would be a great science experiment. We could each fuck like bunnies and then compare notes.

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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/27/2011 6:41:17 AM

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Fastreply as I am on my way out the door!

Here is the thinking...

"I don't believe these transgendered people are really "women" or "men" as they claim..."

Thereby...

It is okay to exclude them from my gender's public restroom.
It is okay to deny them entrance to my business, restaurant, service.
It is okay to deny them employment, or fire them if I find out that they are transgendered.
It is okay to deny them housing, or evict them if I find out that they are transgendered.
It is okay to deny them basic medical care for their condition, and to not insure for it.

That is the thinking that pervades the mainstream right-wing (mostly religious) opposition today.

Your job, should you choose to accept it, is to find out in how many U.S. states, those basic denials of rights are still quite legal - and issues that transgendered women and men face each and every day.

Then go look up the statistics for targeted transgender murders in 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010...look at the trend...

There is a lot at stake here for other-gendered folk, and it is no surprise thereby, if we are just a bit passionate about it all...

It's a shame you'll be out today, Otters. I have a feeling that this discussion might continue and your input would be very valuable.

What you say in the above is true. In My mind, that is discrimination. However, personal preference in relationships is not something that can be dictated. There is a difference between the two.

In My opinion, the OP presented this thread in a very piss poor fashion. I don't believe for a second that his original complaint is anywhere near what he makes it out to be or that female Dominants are being drowned out by an upsurge of people selecting 'female' rather than 'trans'. The original screamed lack of education and a lot of other things that I could list here.

However, the OP definitely does have a right to his preferences in his own personal relationships. That's a basic human right too.

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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/27/2011 7:23:00 AM

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ORIGINAL: OttersSwim

Fastreply as I am on my way out the door!

Here is the thinking...

"I don't believe these transgendered people are really "women" or "men" as they claim..."

Thereby...

It is okay to exclude them from my gender's public restroom.
It is okay to deny them entrance to my business, restaurant, service.
It is okay to deny them employment, or fire them if I find out that they are transgendered.
It is okay to deny them housing, or evict them if I find out that they are transgendered.
It is okay to deny them basic medical care for their condition, and to not insure for it.

That is the thinking that pervades the mainstream right-wing (mostly religious) opposition today.

Your job, should you choose to accept it, is to find out in how many U.S. states, those basic denials of rights are still quite legal - and issues that transgendered women and men face each and every day.

Then go look up the statistics for targeted transgender murders in 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010...look at the trend...

There is a lot at stake here for other-gendered folk, and it is no surprise thereby, if we are just a bit passionate about it all...

It's a shame you'll be out today, Otters. I have a feeling that this discussion might continue and your input would be very valuable.

What you say in the above is true. In My mind, that is discrimination. However, personal preference in relationships is not something that can be dictated. There is a difference between the two.

In My opinion, the OP presented this thread in a very piss poor fashion. I don't believe for a second that his original complaint is anywhere near what he makes it out to be or that female Dominants are being drowned out by an upsurge of people selecting 'female' rather than 'trans'. The original screamed lack of education and a lot of other things that I could list here.

However, the OP definitely does have a right to his preferences in his own personal relationships. That's a basic human right too.

I support his right to have his preferences. We all have preferences.
But that wasn't how his posts struck me.

What I found personally especially offensive was his statements about how transgendered women were basically defiling the pool and how it would be misogynistic of him if he did not stand up for "double-x" women.

What I found just difficult to buy was the scenario of the generic 'Trans' becoming the predominant part of the CM Dominant Female population.

Simply put, I have not seen an influx of poor distressed "double-x" Damsel-Dommes who needed to be saved.

I offered a video on the experience of some transgendered women.
I offered it because after seeing it, I found I my own knowledge base had been pretty narrow.
I am glad that you found it interesting LP. I thought it was.
I am not surprised that the OP seems uninterested in viewing it.

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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/27/2011 8:28:11 AM

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Other people who've read more papers than I have are handling the biological and sociological arguments well, so I'll leave them.

I just want to address this one point:

The OP has referred several times to what 'XX-women' (and there is something really unpleasant about that term) have to 'endure'. As an 'XX-Domme', I have to say that the fact that some other Dommes have had gender reassignment surgery and list accordingly as the women that they are does not affect me in the least. Not a problem. Not in the slightest. I really can't see why it would.

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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/27/2011 8:29:33 AM

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Not sure, but if someone has the money, I think it would be a great science experiment. We could each fuck like bunnies and then compare notes.

Now that sounds like my kind of science!!!

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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/27/2011 8:56:34 AM

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In my local community ive Noticed A DISTINCT difference between the amount of male subs and Female Dominants where the Female dominants OUTNUMBER the male subs about 2 to 1. In fact I got home from an amazing event where every male sub except for two were active in a scene tonight and i would say close to 12 or more female dominants did not play at the event.... there were about 10 male subs total and about 20 or more female Dominants.....

YOUR opinion that there female Dominants are SO RARE, is completely shattered in the case of the event i attended tonight...and have been attending for the past 6 months...

Quoted for truth. FAD typically has more women than men in attendance; that hasn't changed for years. When a group makes femdoms feel genuinely comfortable, they will almost invariably outnumber the men at a real-time femdom event.

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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/27/2011 9:01:38 AM

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With reference to a comment from one other poster, the research regarding sexual orientation and gender identification has existed well before this century, so I respectfully disagree that research on gender identification is recent.

The "recent" part I was referencing was specific to hormonal cascades during early gestation and what happens when they are interrupted at the wrong time. I read the paper in dead-tree form, some time ago, and I don't have a handy Internet link, nor a currently accessible copy. I could bug my colleague for it again to at least get some names to post for folks to follow up on, but I'm not sure I care enough about a discussion on the Internet to raise that particular question again with vanilla folks.

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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/27/2011 11:56:27 AM

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OP- i think i can solve your problem. How about this:

Instead of expecting transgender women to identify as such in their CM profiles, why don't you just write a brief excerpt in *yours* explaining tactfully (yes, TACTFULLY, not as you've done here) that you aren't interested in TG female dominants. i would avoid use of the terms, "false pretenses", "real vs. fake", "non-women", and "pseudo-women" and respectfully explain that, sexually, you're not interested in those women and request that They not contact you. Write it in bold at the top of your profile. See if that works.

If it doesn't work (it's been mentioned here that, on occasion, people don't read profiles carefully), then perhaps you should bring up the question yourself when you begin talking to Someone. Again, T-A-C-T-F-U-L-L-Y let them know that you aren't interested in TG women, if that should be their case.

If, in spite of all that, TG Dominant women continue to "bombard" you with emails and flat out lie about their biological gender when directly asked, well, i don't know what the site can possibly do about that. Anyone who would lie to you would lie to the site, so i don't think "requiring" people to state their biological gender would work; quite apart from any argument about whether they *should* be required to give their biological gender, their legal gender, or just the gender that they identify with.

This is the internet. Sometimes people lie. (Gasp.) i find it difficult to believe that the problem is as bad as you're representing it, but if it is, a quick note at the top of your profile or in a email should help, and avoids the problem of requiring other people to label themselves in a way that they don't want to.

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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/27/2011 12:24:34 PM

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It's a shame you'll be out today, Otters. I have a feeling that this discussion might continue and your input would be very valuable.

What you say in the above is true. In My mind, that is discrimination. However, personal preference in relationships is not something that can be dictated. There is a difference between the two.

In My opinion, the OP presented this thread in a very piss poor fashion. I don't believe for a second that his original complaint is anywhere near what he makes it out to be or that female Dominants are being drowned out by an upsurge of people selecting 'female' rather than 'trans'. The original screamed lack of education and a lot of other things that I could list here.

However, the OP definitely does have a right to his preferences in his own personal relationships. That's a basic human right too.
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Otters can talk about all the rights he wants. I dont care who pees where and I live in a city where none of that is a problem. LP, you are not looking for a dominant woman so you have great liberty to believe what you will, but your particular category is swamped with people who are or once were physically men. I hear Dommes rightfully bitching about 'fake' subs all the time - but what they mean is the guy doesn't live up to expectations or is too cowardly to meet her. I will not doubt that you know at least a few other Dommes who are pissed about that. How much worse does it make it for those Dommes that the real subs have to sort through a surging mountain of misrepresented chromosomes to find the Dommes who are sick of talking to half-hearted wankers and want the real thing.

Seriously the argument is like saying its okay to call it "misrepresentation" if the male sub is actually the specific genetic gender he claims to be but is a flake, but when it comes to the numbers of TG's/TV's representing themselves as women we're supposed to say "their fantasy is our reality".

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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/27/2011 12:30:42 PM

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Other people who've read more papers than I have are handling the biological and sociological arguments well, so I'll leave them.

I just want to address this one point:

The OP has referred several times to what 'XX-women' (and there is something really unpleasant about that term) have to 'endure'. As an 'XX-Domme', I have to say that the fact that some other Dommes have had gender reassignment surgery and list accordingly as the women that they are does not affect me in the least. Not a problem. Not in the slightest. I really can't see why it would.

You are talking like the school girl you are through the ideology they brand you with. Wait til you are 33 and you are sick of mens' bullshit and you have to wait, look and long for that one true guy who really means what he says, then tell me how much you like completely needless obstacles in your path to find the man you want to spend your life with - the one who is not a loser but is not already taken. What does affect a 21 year old attractive girl in the least? Politics. You can only put it before yourself and your gender for so long before it loses its meaning and value compared to what you want and what you have to go through to get it.

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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/27/2011 12:31:11 PM

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YTD, the horse is dead.

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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/27/2011 12:37:41 PM

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Good lord get the fuck over it. Bottom line, people lie and people exaggerate. Life is no bowl of cherries for anyone if they look at the bull shit that other people do. Refine yourself and don't be lazy or complain on and on about how difficult the challenges are of finding a partner. We all have some sort of issues there and thank the powers that be not everyone is complaining about them and making up factoids to confirm there is a problem. You are talking of many topics within this topic and it became a jumbled up mess. Which amounts to... you think you're special, want someone to make it easier and wish to continue to complain.

We are out there. We are not so hard to find, no matter what. You may be looking in the wrong areas. Check out the dominants on the message boards for an example. Short cut to some pretty easy findings I would think. When you have a problem, do you complain, make up factoids to justify your claims or do you get pro active in solving the problem?

A good dominant wants someone pro active in solution solving as the clueless bunch tend to be worth far less than those that have the wherewithal to do something about things that come up.

So far the complaints I see most from the domina set is not that people flake... but people whine and whine often. It's a big bad world out there, what are you going to do about it that actually would amount to a change in your life and circumstances? Gee... other people have real problems.

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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/27/2011 12:39:58 PM

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If I wasn't a female supremest I'd be insulted by any woman trying to tell me that desiring her is the same as desiring a man.

Are you a female supremacist, YTD? Because if you are, I *really* don't see this discussion going anywhere useful.

It implies a view of entitlements dependent on deserts needs rather than rights, in this case, roughly the OP's 'birth-rights'. The OP seems to believe that a person has a greater entitlement to be called female because she was 'born to it'. Sirsholly is implying that the struggle to achieve female-ness itself confers a level of entitlement.

Going anywhere useful? I don't have to beg for sex OR Domes. I am looking for that one right girl. If as you assert, every last Domme out there is a utopian cleft-asshole socialist I won't have anything to worry about because I won't want them anyway. Luckily for me that has been far from the case.

You dufusses are just one more version of a new moral majority meet the new moral majority same as the old moral majority (on this thread). And here we are in this outlandish lifestyle that we love worrying if we are conforming to your standards? When did good conduct become politically incorrect? But I don't think 'saintliness' is something they surgically implant during the operation. Irony of ironies its supposed to be such an offensive topic yet they insist on not being held to the same standard as any other human being.

There are a lot of Dommes on here who rightly protest a submissive male even having switch tendencies hidden in a misleading way. Why is it all the honest people are the ones who have to pay the price, right?

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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/27/2011 1:01:25 PM

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Going anywhere useful? I don't have to beg for sex OR Domes. I am looking for that one right girl. If as you assert, every last Domme out there is a utopian cleft-asshole socialist I won't have anything to worry about because I won't want them anyway. Luckily for me that has been far from the case.

The femdoms out there aren't all socialists by any means. But people involved in this lifestyle are likely to be quite a bit more liberal than the average with regard to sexual or gender matters, obviously.

Look, YTD - I'd recommend you just go with Gungadin's strategy above. You can be honest about your feelings, you can pick and choose who you want, but you can do it without treading on corns. At the same time, you'll no doubt pick up some tricks as to how to spot the sorts of women who mesh with you.

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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/27/2011 1:04:58 PM

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I can't say I appreciate a few others above who blatantly ignore that meaning no offense was the first thing I had to say, so thanks especially for being cordial.

You can say you meant no offense in your OP until you are blue in the face, but if your OP is offensive, people are going to call you on it.

I fully agree with thishereboi.

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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/27/2011 1:42:13 PM

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I can't say I appreciate a few others above who blatantly ignore that meaning no offense was the first thing I had to say, so thanks especially for being cordial.

You can say you meant no offense in your OP until you are blue in the face, but if your OP is offensive, people are going to call you on it.

I fully agree with thishereboi.

And now, I would like to say that this thread no longer DESERVES to be taken seriously. If the OP is going to continue to act and argue as he has been, all its gonna do is take up space.

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RE: TV's - No offense but please stop showing up as Fem... - 2/27/2011 1:51:37 PM

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And now, I would like to say that this thread no longer DESERVES to be taken seriously.

So speaks the naive mouthpiece of his local teacher's union. Just because you yourself are only useful as an example doesn't mean people don't have legitimate concerns. "Make believe" and honesty are two different things. By all means let the choir that specializes in preaching to itself go sing its Christmas carols somewhere else.

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