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RE: Do you feel responsible? - 6/12/2011 1:29:45 PM   
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RE: Do you feel responsible? - 6/12/2011 1:33:52 PM   
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http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/WWscalping.htm

The removal of the skin covering the top of a person head during or after a battle dates back to the Scythians (c. 400 BC). The Visigoths also took scalps during the wars with the Anglo-Saxons in the 9th century. When the Europeans first visited America they observed that the Huron, Chichimec, Iroquoi and Muskhogean tribes scalped enemy warriors. The Spanish administrator of Mexico, Francisco de Garay, reported in 1520 of seeing the "cutting of the skin off the entire head and face, with hair and beard". However, there is no evidence that the majority of Native American tribes at this time were involved in scalping.

In 1688, the French-Canadians began paying for every enemy scalp. This encouraged the emergence of groups trying to make a business out of scalping settlers. The British responded in 1693 by announcing that they would pay money for the scalps of Frenchmen and their Indian allies. As much as £100 was obtained for an important scalp.

In 1777, Jane McCrea, the fiancée of a soldier serving with General Burgoyne's army, was captured by Indians allied to the British. Then during a dispute between two warriors, Jane was scalped. General Burgoyne did not punish the guilty men for fear of breaking the alliance with that tribe. This decision enraged local Americans and many men now joined in the struggle against the British. It was later claimed that the death of Jane McCrea greatly aided the rebel cause and contributed to the defeat of Burgoyne's army at Saratoga. The incident continued to be used as propaganda against the English and the story was immortalized by John Vanderlyn's painting, The Death of Jane McCrea, in 1804.

This policy of scalping spread to the Americans during the 19th century and they paid bounties for the scalps of troublesome tribes such as the Apache. The idea of scalping as an act of revenge was adopted by the Plains tribes during the Indian Wars.

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RE: Do you feel responsible? - 6/12/2011 3:29:39 PM   
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Ayeeeyah. I'd rather chew my own nuts off.
video please.

as to the guilt? fuck no. i'm scottish, what do we have to be guilty about other than bagpipes.

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RE: Do you feel responsible? - 6/12/2011 3:55:55 PM   
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RE: Do you feel responsible? - 6/12/2011 3:56:34 PM   
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Ayeeeyah. I'd rather chew my own nuts off.
video please.

as to the guilt? fuck no. i'm scottish, what do we have to be guilty about other than bagpipes.

hannah lynn


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RE: Do you feel responsible? - 6/12/2011 3:57:34 PM   
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RE: Do you feel responsible? - 6/12/2011 9:32:51 PM   
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One name, "Kennedy."
How many times over the last 30 years have I said to myself; "why couldn't they be from Russia?"
It was one scandal after another and it never ended.
They just perpetuated the stereotype of the Irish drunk. Do many Irish or people of Irish descent drink, yes but most don't drink anywhere near as much as that family!
Most are hard working family people. I heard once that Ted Kennedy could knock down 16! rum and cokes in an hour and a half.
And with all his hundreds of millions Ted Kennedy was famous for stiffing waitresses and bartenders.
In my travels if anyone asked if I was from "Boston" I'd say "no" and tell them I was from N.H. just to avoid getting into arguments.
So yes Steven, to a certain extent it is embarrassing when people of your ethnic heritage behave very badly in public. The Kennedy's just magnified that with so many incidents one after another over decades.

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RE: Do you feel responsible? - 6/13/2011 3:50:47 AM   
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Ayeeeyah. I'd rather chew my own nuts off.
video please.

as to the guilt? fuck no. i'm scottish, what do we have to be guilty about other than bagpipes.

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RE: Do you feel responsible? - 6/13/2011 4:11:59 AM   
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It's too late to say "golf" then?
Okay, white pudding, the Proclaimers and Robbie Burns...

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RE: Do you feel responsible? - 6/13/2011 5:42:04 AM   
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as to the guilt? fuck no. i'm scottish, what do we have to be guilty about other than bagpipes.

hannah lynn


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RE: Do you feel responsible? - 6/13/2011 4:03:13 PM   
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no and don't understand people who do


The problem, more accurately, is the fear within the communities that outsiders will judge the ethnicity, not the person.

Hence the sensitivity to "one of their one" perpetrating a crime.



That's a very good point.

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