thezeppo
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I rarely use MarioFinkbiner.com by the way ;-) I'm going to move past the swimming pools now Real One, so brace yourself. The Wannsee conference was held on January 20th 1942. It was chaired by Reynhard Heydrich and was called to discuss the final solution. I will just give you some quotes from the document itself: "Approximately 11 million Jews will be involved in the final solution of the European Jewish question" That's not just political prisoners, that's every Jewish person in Europe "Under proper guidance, in the course of the final solution the Jews are to be allocated for appropriate labor in the East. Able-bodied Jews, separated according to sex, will be taken in large work columns to these areas for work on roads, in the course of which action doubtless a large portion will be eliminated by natural causes. The possible final remnant will, since it will undoubtedly consist of the most resistant portion, have to be treated accordingly, because it is the product of natural selection and would, if released, act as a the seed of a new Jewish revival (see the experience of history.)" This is important because it debunks one of the claims holocaust deniers who aren't obsessed with swimming pools usually make, that the gas chambers could not possibly have intended to kill that many. As shown here, they weren't. Forced labour was to be the thing that killed the majority. "In the course of the final solution plans, the Nuremberg Laws should provide a certain foundation, in which a prerequisite for the absolute solution of the problem is also the solution to the problem of mixed marriages and persons of mixed blood." I included this because of your political prisoners point before. Someone isn't a political prisoner based on much 'Jewishness' is in their blood. "State Secretary Dr. Bühler stated that the General Government would welcome it if the final solution of this problem could be begun in the General Government, since on the one hand transportation does not play such a large role here nor would problems of labor supply hamper this action. Jews must be removed from the territory of the General Government as quickly as possible, since it is especially here that the Jew as an epidemic carrier represents an extreme danger" "SS-Gruppenführer Hofmann advocates the opinion that sterilization will have to be widely used, since the person of mixed blood who is given the choice whether he will be evacuated or sterilized would rather undergo sterilization. State Secretary Dr. Stuckart maintains that carrying out in practice of the just mentioned possibilities for solving the problem of mixed marriages and persons of mixed blood will create endless administrative work. In the second place, as the biological facts cannot be disregarded in any case, State Secretary Dr. Stuckart proposed proceeding to forced sterilization." Adolf Eichmann's testimony; "In June, I think, the war began, June or July, let us say the beginning of the war was in July. And I suppose two months later, possibly it was three months, at any rate it was towards the end of summer...I shall tell you presently why I know this - that it was towards the end of summer - at the time when Heydrich ordered me to come to him. I presented myself and he said to me: "The Fuehrer..." for this was a matter of emigration etc. etc., accompanied by a short introductory speech..."the Fuehrer has given orders for the physical destruction of the Jews." " He describes worse than that, but I won't quote it here because I think that really will get the thread closed. Here is some more though that I think is relevant: "I do not know any more who gave the order about those...about those things...gave the order...yes, gave the order...yes, of course the Chief of the Security Police and the SD gave the order - it was he who gave the order for this - this is absolutely clear. But even he was obliged to receive an instruction from the Reichsfuehrer-SS - namely Himmler - he could never have done such a thing on his own. And Himmler too, must have had his detailed orders from Hitler otherwise, unless Hitler had ordered this, he would have been fired out of hand." Shows the general nature of Nazi governance; Chaotic, disorganised. This is the reason holocaust deniers can gain any traction, there has always been a debate about the nature of Nazi government. See the Intentionalist vs Structuralist debate. Personally I would go along with Kershaw on cumulative radicalisation and working towards the fuhrer "the Conference of Wannsee was very important, for here Heydrich received his authority as the person in charge of the solution, or the final solution of the Jewish question." On the question of sterilisation, the 1939 T4 program extended the sterilisation program to allow doctors to take the lives of those that were found to be undesirable when breeding. Therefore both 'Evacuation to the East' and 'Sterilisation' can be considered to mean genocide. I got this information from the learning resources I made for my A level class. There is plentiful online information regarding the T4 program, the Wannsee conference, and Eichmann's testimony. I have told you where the information is, now you show us how much you care about the truth. Or are we going straight back to swimming pools?
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