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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/23/2013 4:04:45 AM

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Are you claiming Auschwitz was a holiday destination? I have had the opportunity to meet and speak with two holocaust survivors (as part of a group) and hear firsthand their experience. The swimming pools didn't come up.

Ive already debunked his swimming pool claims, using his own link this time.

Re post 119. I have to admit to being unfamiliar with the contents and will try and enlighten myself.

Just a quick comment on revisionism, I was meaning more of lumping the history into one event and not seeing the timeline as it related to current events of the times. I constantly try and stress on here to understand history in full, you need to understand the seperate parts for what they were.

IE, the Suez crisis may have seemed like colonialism, but given France built the ccanal and owned the majority of the shares and that Britain had brought the rest, both legally. Is colonialism a fair charge, or was it not just protecting commerce, two entirely different things in my view.

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/23/2013 4:18:40 AM

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thezeppo- realone has been obsessed about the swimming pool in Auschwitz for years, and semiregularly brings it up on the boards to prove that the Halacaust isn't really as bad as is said. He is somewhat nutty about the subject. Its better to ignore and go around him.

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/23/2013 5:05:50 AM

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Ah, fair enough then on revisionism. I misread what you were saying, a lot of people seem to use revisionism as an insult to suggest someone is deliberately blocking the truth. I take your point regarding what I am saying, I think I could provide a fuller argument to back it up somewhat, but it would take me around 5000-6000 words to justify, and I've got other work to be doing in the mean time.

As regards Suez particularly, here I would recommend:

Suez Reconsidered: Anthony Eden's Orientalism and the Suez Crisis Lindsay Braun.

It offers a perspective of Eden's actions that is based around his education and experience in Arabic studies.

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/23/2013 5:14:45 AM

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thezeppo- realone has been obsessed about the swimming pool in Auschwitz for years, and semiregularly brings it up on the boards to prove that the Halacaust isn't really as bad as is said. He is somewhat nutty about the subject. Its better to ignore and go around him.

Fair enough, thanks for the tip! I read another one at the start of this thread, about it being disease that was the ultimate killer of people in concentration camps. I would have actually ROFL'ed (that's a thing right?) if it hadn't been for the seriousness of the events it was trivialising.

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/23/2013 6:33:45 AM

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To me, Britain is portrayed in an inconsistent way during the mandate period. Herbert Samuel was good enough at his job to become High Commissioner of Palestine yet is still viewed as weak. Britain formed an alliance with Zionists as well as betraying the Balfour agreement. Britain usually supported Zionism except for when it didn't, and that was due to antisemitic officers. Does it not sound more logical to say Britain said one thing sometimes, and another thing at different times, with the intention of maintaining her own interests?

Self interests as in the Opium Wars, the slave trade, the Raj, the Boer Wars, terra nullius Jeffrey Amherst, Cromwell and so on, and so on, and so on, just like any other empire.

The thing is that in the Middle East, the fingers are still very much in the pie, and David Irving's ideas still befoul any attempt to have rational discussion about solutions.

It is in modern Britain's (among others) self interests to keep the pit-fight between the W.O.G.s going.

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/23/2013 6:46:39 AM

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It's hardly just in Britain's interests, or even just in western government's interests to have a zionist state as a distraction for the jihadists. How long do you think the more sane States in the middle east would last if Israel wasn't there to keep the nutcases in Syria and Egypt busy? They're probably the only reason the Saudis haven't invaded Qatar and told them to stop talking about giving women the vote, come to that...

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/23/2013 7:17:19 AM

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Are you claiming Auschwitz was a holiday destination? I have had the opportunity to meet and speak with two holocaust survivors (as part of a group) and hear firsthand their experience. The swimming pools didn't come up.

Ive already debunked his swimming pool claims, using his own link this time.

Re post 119. I have to admit to being unfamiliar with the contents and will try and enlighten myself.

Just a quick comment on revisionism, I was meaning more of lumping the history into one event and not seeing the timeline as it related to current events of the times. I constantly try and stress on here to understand history in full, you need to understand the seperate parts for what they were.

IE, the Suez crisis may have seemed like colonialism, but given France built the ccanal and owned the majority of the shares and that Britain had brought the rest, both legally. Is colonialism a fair charge, or was it not just protecting commerce, two entirely different things in my view.

you debunked no such thing at any time ever never ever LOL

simply getting the proof cited pulled off the board is not equivalent to debunking by any stretch of the imagination in the real world.

its the same way america was and continues to be polluted, through commercial interests, ultimately people lose virtually all rights through the crime of conversion that brits are so infamous, by that process as I have shown in other threads.

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/23/2013 7:34:28 AM

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Are you claiming Auschwitz was a holiday destination? I have had the opportunity to meet and speak with two holocaust survivors (as part of a group) and hear firsthand their experience. The swimming pools didn't come up.

aw too bad.

I would bet you had no idea the pools were there and therefore didnt ask the "RIGHT" questions.

Polite and his ilk would like to run people like myself completely off of this board because I bring EXTREMELY inconvenient facts that are over the top painful to the apologists status quo.

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Having being taught not to question anything relating to the Official story of the ‘Holocaust’ I was always weary of going near such a sensitive subject but when you start researching the subject you begin to realize the official story learnt from school onwards contains many flaws. Such as in this video.

http://mariofinkbiner.com/the-holocaust-testimonies-you-didnt-hear-9535/

The question is "what went wrong"?

How can the testimony in these interviews is 180 degrees in opposition to what has been taught?

In the above video they talk about life in the camp which includes the soccer teams, plays, canteena, orchestra, and I think one woman talks about jumping into the pool for a swim, If not I will find the one that does.

I have actual bw footage taken in the camps showing all this to be true.

Oh yeh, and the americans had ddt and powdered themselves with it and that killed the lice that carried typhus.

Typhus in europe was the end of most wars, and in fact took out most of napoleans army.

The germans did not have ddt. The only thing they had was zyklon and was the only way they could disinfect against the lice because they are so hearty so they made disinfection chambers.

Well into the late 60's IN AMERICA it was SOP for children in schools that had lice to have their heads shaved and clothing thrown away or completely disinfected.

Other videos available they talk about how they were so badly infested they were literally crawling with lice in the camps it was so much of a problem not only for prisoners but for the everyone there.

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/23/2013 7:50:37 AM

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I don't claim this as a unique preserve of the British Empire, Orientalism is a discourse present in the entire perception of the East from the West. In this particular situation though, it was British interest that polluted the situation.

If you are interested in reading a theory of how Orientalism has impacted Jewish identity, try to find 'The Great Chain of Orientalism: Jewish Identity, Stigma Management, and Ethnic Exclusion in Israel' by Aziza Khazzoom.

I know this might not seem relevant to everybody, but the very first post in this thread gave an overview of the situation that began at 1948. That hurts both sides - the Israelis become usurpers and the Palestinians an "invented" people, existing only in relation to the formation of the Israeli state. I have argued at probably far too much length that this is not the case, on both sides of the argument, suggested a more suitable starting point and explained why I think 1948 is usually given as the starting point in this debate. I will stop now, as much as I hate to admit it, I know not everyone is as fascinated by cultural history as I am.

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/23/2013 7:52:55 AM

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yep Christ claimed to be of the order of Melchizedek.

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/23/2013 8:06:09 AM

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ORIGINAL: thezeppo

Are you claiming Auschwitz was a holiday destination? I have had the opportunity to meet and speak with two holocaust survivors (as part of a group) and hear firsthand their experience. The swimming pools didn't come up.

aw too bad.

I would bet you had no idea the pools were there and therefore didnt ask the "RIGHT" questions.

Polite and his ilk would like to run people like myself completely off of this board because I bring EXTREMELY inconvenient facts that are over the top painful to the apologists status quo.

quote:

Having being taught not to question anything relating to the Official story of the ‘Holocaust’ I was always weary of going near such a sensitive subject but when you start researching the subject you begin to realize the official story learnt from school onwards contains many flaws. Such as in this video.

http://mariofinkbiner.com/the-holocaust-testimonies-you-didnt-hear-9535/

The question is "what went wrong"?

How can the testimony in these interviews is 180 degrees in opposition to what has been taught?

In the above video they talk about life in the camp which includes the soccer teams, plays, canteena, orchestra, and I think one woman talks about jumping into the pool for a swim, If not I will find the one that does.

I have actual bw footage taken in the camps showing all this to be true.

Oh yeh, and the americans had ddt and powdered themselves with it and that killed the lice that carried typhus.

Typhus in europe was the end of most wars, and in fact took out most of napoleans army.

The germans did not have ddt. The only thing they had was zyklon and was the only way they could disinfect against the lice because they are so hearty so they made disinfection chambers.

Other videos available they talk about how they were so badly infested they were literally crawling with lice in the camps it was so much of a problem not only for prisoners but for the everyone there.

Oh no, I can't resist!

Questions such as 'how were the pools?' you mean? One of the first sentences in the introduction to that video was 'Somewhere in 50,000 video interviews, there must be some Jews willing to tell some semblance of truth' you don't need much analytical ability to know that means 'somewhere in 50,000 video interviews, there must be someone that agrees with what I am about to say'

I would say that I don't care whether or not there were pools, I would rather you explained what they were doing in the camps in the first place. But to be honest I would rather you didn't answer at all.

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/23/2013 8:11:32 AM

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yep Christ claimed to be of the order of Melchizedek.

Obvious lie.

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/23/2013 8:16:10 AM

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yep Christ claimed to be of the order of Melchizedek.

Obvious lie.

So the <insert insulting remark about realone here> is claiming bullshit as stated by the Morman church now?

To bad blatant stupidity, ignorance, antisemitism and fucked up religious statements are not against the TOS, then we would not have to deal with him.

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/23/2013 8:21:31 AM

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Oh no, I can't resist!

Questions such as 'how were the pools?' you mean? One of the first sentences in the introduction to that video was 'Somewhere in 50,000 video interviews, there must be some Jews willing to tell some semblance of truth' you don't need much analytical ability to know that means 'somewhere in 50,000 video interviews, there must be someone that agrees with what I am about to say'

I would say that I don't care whether or not there were pools, I would rather you explained what they were doing in the camps in the first place. But to be honest I would rather you didn't answer at all.

sure these people making these videos are pissed to no end after finding out they had been lied to. That was some rebuttal to propaganda film spielberg made.

I am not going to edit and sugar coat the video to cram it down your throat.

Now if you have a hard on in the other direction you wont watch it beyond that point and write it off without even knowing the content. Presto your ears will be saved from the actual words of reality!

If you dont have the stomach to get past that you dont have the stomach to accept any truth that would come from it either. simple as that.

Fine. Do you really want to hear yessa massa whatever you say massa?

Is that the nature of discussion? I can do that too, just go along to get along no matter how deep and stanky the bullshit gets.

The photo below shows what the swimming pool looked like in 1996 before preservation work began. The high diving board is at the far end in the background of the photo. The diving board itself is now gone.

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When I visited Auschwitz in 1998, I asked to see the swimming pool, but I was told that it was not on the tour. My tour guide told me that there were two swimming pools, one for the prisoners and one for the SS men, but she would not show me either pool. When I returned in 2005, the swimming pool for the prisoners was still not included on the tour, but I found it myself as I wandered around on my own in the early morning.

This sounds like the cole tour, a nice isreali kid that took the "special" tour, no wait correction.....I am pretty sure cole went in 2006 I think, this is from someone else because cole paid extra for the guide to show it to him and other stuff that is not on the regular tour.

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/23/2013 8:25:24 AM

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I read another one at the start of this thread, about it being disease that was the ultimate killer of people in concentration camps. I would have actually ROFL'ed (that's a thing right?) if it hadn't been for the seriousness of the events it was trivialising.

That would be unjustified. The people that were targeted for death were murdered in various ways, and indications are that biological warfare was one of the methods used. And the trail leads back to the USA, which is notorious for its history of biological warfare against the native populations...

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/23/2013 8:25:53 AM

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yep Christ claimed to be of the order of Melchizedek.

Obvious lie.

So the <insert insulting remark about realone here> is claiming bullshit as stated by the Morman church now?

To bad blatant stupidity, ignorance, antisemitism and fucked up religious statements are not against the TOS, then we would not have to deal with him.

you can find that in the douahy rheims bible or in the works directly preceding it I forget which

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douay%E2%80%93Rheims_Bible

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/23/2013 8:29:14 AM

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No you can't. It is a whole cloth lie.

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/23/2013 8:31:29 AM

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of course....whatever you say ron

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/23/2013 8:33:34 AM

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you should be able to drum up the actual quote. with citation, but you cannot.

I am only speaking the facts here. This is just one of the many areas you are unknowlegeable in, and only add to tinfoil.

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RE: Antisemiticism on the collarme boards. - 1/23/2013 8:35:25 AM

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It's more that I know the thread will be closed if I engage on this. Would be fun though!

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