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ORIGINAL: DocStrange
What I said is the Shingle can have serious complications and provided the medical links to the Mayo Clinic stating those facts.
There is nothing wrong with you saying that.
In fact, that's responsible.
Notice I also provided links and references from the same web site, the recommendations for people older than 60, for example.
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ORIGINAL: DocStrange
And I am not sure how it is irresponsible to get the vaccine to those at risk when it is recommend by the CDC, WHO, most doctors, and the rest of the medical community .
There is where the question of your reading comprehension comes into play.
I assumed people here were recommending the vaccine merely because the disease is dangerous and uncomfortable.
It sure SOUNDED like that.
If they were ... that's irresponsible.
A lot of medical professionals determine the target audience, and both of us quoted the same Mayo Clinic reference which clearly stated the at-risk population being 60 and over.
BTW, since I've studied immunology and virology, I know that this recommendation is only a summary for laypeople.
The real summary is far more complex (but it's not for laypeople since, clearly, laypeople have trouble with the simplest of summaries, as you've so aptly shown).
The reason I know it's just a summary is because people with immune disorders are almost certainly also on that list, as might be at-risk medical professionals, and quite a few others (which is the way it is with almost all vaccines).
But, normally those recommendations DO NOT INCLUDE perfectly healthy people.
They just don't.
You wanna know why?
(HINT: It's not that the insurance company won't pay for it either...).
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I wouldn't recommend a vaccine for a disease you're not gonna die from.
Certainly I wouldn't recommend a vaccine for a disease that is so common that it simply is an annoyance (e.g., like the flu, or shingles).
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ORIGINAL: DocStrange
This is the the ignorant statement I was referring to. Shingles can cause you to lose your eye site, cause permanent nerve damage ect, neurological problems (link previously provided). Very ignorant to say the virus is only a simple annoyance. It just show you were very unaware of the impact Shingles can have. And you are trying to give medical advice to something you did not know about. Very irresponsible of you.
Heh heh ... think about what you just said.
Think hard.
Really hard.
If Shingles was, statistically, so dangerous, and the vaccine statistically relatively safe in comparison, then THE MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS would be the ones recommending the vaccine.
The medical profession weighs and balances medical pros and cons constantly when they make their recommendations.
QUESTION FOR YOU (I realize this is a tough one for you to handle because it entails a modicum of basic logic.):
Do the medical professionals recommend everyone get the vaccine?
Yes No (circle one)
THOUGHT QUESTION:
If the medical professional does NOT recommend EVERYONE get the vaccine, then do you think it's responsible for YOU to recommend everyone get it? (Think about that before you answer.)
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ORIGINAL: DocStrange
While the leading theory for the reactivation of the shingle virus is thought to be immune related it has not be proven yet.
Heh heh .... now you sound so expert that you can cut and paste from a document. Wow. You are smart!
Let me tell you something about the immune system. It's complex. In fact, it's complex as all hell. Then, let me tell you something about the Herpes family of viruses. They're persistent. They're persistent as all hell.
The two battle it out every single day.
The battle starts before you're even born, and it lasts until the day you lose the battle, and they bury you so that you don't infect other people.
Sometimes the virus wins ... sometimes the immune system wins ... where this battle seesaws back and forth every day of your entire life.
For you, it's apparently a novel shock that the virus gets the better of the immune system for a while. For me, it's old hat. Happens all the time.
There's nothing surprising whatsoever in a Herpes virus secondary (or even tertiary) outbreak in any one individual. It's how things work.
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ORIGINAL: DocStrange
And does not explain the 5% of those who get the disease who are not older and have no immune-depression.
Where are you going with this?
Are you, singlehandedly, compiling all the statistics on Herpes Zoster infections on the planet, and then, again singlehandedly, calculating in your head the various pros and cons, and then, again single handedly, you're gonna make a recommendation that flies in the face of common medical wisdom that is taught to every doctor, microbiologist, and immunologist on the planet?
Is that where you're going with this line of reasoning?
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ORIGINAL: DocStrange
If you have solved this issues please let CDC and medical community know.
Heh heh ... do you know how stupid you are?
I didn't solve this conundrum.
It was taught to me four decades ago!
The recommendations haven't changed since I learned them.
You see, I can "read" and, what's more, I can "comprehend" that which I read.
Here it is again, since you don't seem to be able to read, nor comprehend that which you read.
For you to recommend otherwise is simply irresponsible.
< Message edited by crumpets -- 1/27/2016 3:26:17 PM >
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