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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/27/2017 12:46:21 AM

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Similarly, there's not a Muslim contingent trying to take over America and institute Sharia Law, conservative hysteria not withstanding.

You are misinformed. The document linked below was entered as evidence in the 2008 Holyland Terror Funding Trial and outlines the Muslim Brotherhood's strategic goals for North America. These include:

Enablement of Islam in North America, meaning: establishing an effective and a stable Islamic Movement led by the Muslim Brotherhood which adopts Muslims’ causes domestically and globally, and which works to expand the observant Muslim base, aims at unifying and directing Muslims’ efforts, presents Islam as a civilization alternative, and supports the global Islamic State wherever it is. (page 4)

The process of settlement is a "Civilization-Jihadist Process" with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions. (page 7)

Page 18 provides a list of their organizations and friends, naming CAIR, ISNA, ICNA and others.

http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/20.pdf

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/27/2017 1:10:57 AM

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/27/2017 1:14:44 AM

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Is nutsuckerism toiletlicking retardation, or cretinous felchgobbling?

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/27/2017 1:16:08 AM

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Is nutsuckerism toiletlicking retardation, or cretinous felchgobbling?

Both.

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/27/2017 4:00:57 AM

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This article is written by Kristina Keneally, an American by birth and Australian by adoption, who happens to be both a former Premier of NSW and a leading Catholic with a degree in theology. It contrasts the demands made upon Muslims with our reaction to the damage caused by paedophile priests and the Church that sheltered and enabled them.

"It seems that every Australian Muslim who pokes their head up in public is expected to own, explain and condemn any terrorist act carried out by any extremist Muslim anywhere in the world. The outrage machine demands it, and then that same machine judges if the words are sufficient.

Why isn’t this same outrage applied to Australian Catholics? If we are going on a body count the Catholic clergy has done more harm to more Australians than extremist Muslims. More than 4,000 reports of sexual abuse at the hands of Catholic clergy made to the royal commission. God knows how many more are unreported. Innocent Australian children and young people are the victims. Lives have been ruined: suicides and mental illness, broken families, grotesque physical injury.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/27/catholicism-has-done-more-harm-to-australia-than-islam-wheres-the-outrage

The full piece is well worth a read if you're interested in this issue.

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/27/2017 4:24:59 AM

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And there, in a nutshell, is the pointless of trying to reason with today's conservatives.

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/27/2017 4:31:51 AM

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Even the phrasing of the OP's title makes no sense. Neither Christianity nor Islam is 'violent'. Some or many of the followers of each are violent, or have been in the past. Religions get moulded to do for people what people want from them. What makes a given group of people - including a nation of people - violent, is a combination of things, of which the majority religion of the group in question is just one. This is why, for instance, though he and I were both raised as white, western Christians, I don't have the same outlook on life as Dylann Roof.

It's a simple point. Uncontroversial, I'd have thought, too. But every time one of these threads kicks off, it seems to disappear.

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/27/2017 5:29:39 AM

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Yes. One would think that such basic truths would be obvious to one and all. But ideological blinkers are powerful censors, and they can blind people to the obvious.

Consider the claim that extremist Islamist terrorism is "mandated" by the religion and the Quran, and contrast that to the actual situation in Iraq and Syria where the war against IS and the "Caliphate" is being led, conducted and won by Muslim armies with Western militaries playing a supporting role. The "Caliphate" and IS are on their last legs and a devastating total military defeat seems just a matter of time. If the claim that IS-type ideology and terrorism is mandated by the Quran had any currency, then those Muslim nations would not be sending their armies against IS, taking casualties and deaths in order to defeat IS. Instead they would be supporting IS.

But of course they're not supporting IS, they are doing their best to destroy it. That ought to make it obvious to even the ideologically blinkered that the claim that extremist Islamist terrorism is "mandated" by the religion and the Quran is bunkum. But as this thread and others demonstrate clearly the lessons are not getting through to our resident Islamophobes. They insist on clinging to their paranoid delusions as though their lives depended upon it. One wonders if any message from the reality that the rest of us experience ever will get through to them ...

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/27/2017 7:00:58 AM

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Even the phrasing of the OP's title makes no sense. Neither Christianity nor Islam is 'violent'.

Wrong. You just have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Literally. Only an idiot or someone horribly ignorant could make such a statement.

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/27/2017 7:14:18 AM

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Pew poll: Between 63 million and 287 million ISIS supporters in just 11 countries

Muslims have slaughtered between 250 million and 700 million people over time

95% of the violent conflicts around the world involve Muslims

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/27/2017 7:17:11 AM

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Yes. One would think that such basic truths would be obvious to one and all. But ideological blinkers are powerful censors, and they can blind people to the obvious.

Exactly. Which is why you support the genocidal activities of the Palestinians.

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Consider the claim that extremist Islamist terrorism is "mandated" by the religion and the Quran, and contrast that to the actual situation in Iraq and Syria where the war against IS and the "Caliphate" is being led, conducted and won by Muslim armies with Western militaries playing a supporting role.

Anyone who actually understood what they were talking about would know that ISIL are fighting against Hezbollah and Hamas for the right to kill all Jews. This is more of the internecine internal Islamic warfare which has gone on for over a millenium.

So let this sink in for a moment. Groups of Muslims are fighting amongst themselves about who has the right to commit genocide.

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The "Caliphate" and IS are on their last legs and a devastating total military defeat seems just a matter of time. If the claim that IS-type ideology and terrorism is mandated by the Quran had any currency, then those Muslim nations would not be sending their armies against IS, taking casualties and deaths in order to defeat IS. Instead they would be supporting IS.

It's a turf war you fucking idiot. Their philosophies of genocide and proselytization of the Islamic faith are remarkably similar. And they're not Muslim nations, they're Islamic terrorist organisations for fuck's sake.

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But of course they're not supporting IS, they are doing their best to destroy it. That ought to make it obvious to even the ideologically blinkered that the claim that extremist Islamist terrorism is "mandated" by the religion and the Quran is bunkum. But as this thread and others demonstrate clearly the lessons are not getting through to our resident Islamophobes. They insist on clinging to their paranoid delusions as though their lives depended upon it. One wonders if any message from the reality that the rest of us experience ever will get through to them ...

You're an idiot who not only doesn't understand the first fucking thing about Islamic imperalism, you actively don't WANT to understand it. Because it will completely undermine your anti-Semitic Jew hatred.

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/27/2017 7:32:36 AM

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I took a look at your links. They were laughable trash. If you find such trash persuasive you really are stupider than your posts suggest you are - and that is saying something!

I note that you made no attempt to explain why Muslims are fighting and destroying IS in Syria and Iraq when according to you Muslims have a religious duty to support Islamist extremists, and the Quran instructs them to subjugate and convert non-Muslims as IS has been doing in areas it controls.

If your claims were correct, this simply would not happen. It is very clear from their actions that Muslims do not support extremist Islamists. It is very clear from the way Muslims are behaving in Syria and Iraq that they don't feel any religious duty to support extremists. On the contrary they are actively and successfully engaged in destroying those Islamist factions such as IS and AQ.

It is very clear that Muslims, by their actions in Syria and Iraq, give the lie to your bigoted accusations. The only possible explanation for the reality of Syria and Iraq is that your claims about Islam are woefully mistaken and driven by ideology and hate.

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/27/2017 7:37:08 AM

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Two books that should be read by everyone who is having trouble understanding Israel/Palestine:

James Michener's The Source. Takes all the 'side' out of the issues of Israel and just points out that it's the most religiously contested piece of land in the history of the world, and the birthplace of three major religions.

James Carter's Palestine: Peace Not Palestine: Peace Not ApartheidApartheid. The former president points out the actual facts of why there's been no effective peace in the West Bank in 40 years.

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/27/2017 7:56:33 AM

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I took a look at your links. They were laughable trash. If you find such trash persuasive you really are stupider than your posts suggest you are - and that is saying something!

I note that you made no attempt to explain why Muslims are fighting and destroying IS in Syria and Iraq when according to you Muslims have a religious duty to support Islamist extremists, and the Quran instructs them to subjugate and convert non-Muslims as IS has been doing in areas it controls.

If your claims were correct, this simply would not happen. It is very clear from their actions that Muslims do not support extremist Islamists. It is very clear from the way Muslims are behaving in Syria and Iraq that they don't feel any religious duty to support extremists. On the contrary they are actively and successfully engaged in destroying those Islamist factions such as IS and AQ.

It is very clear that Muslims, by their actions in Syria and Iraq, give the lie to your bigoted accusations. The only possible explanation for the reality of Syria and Iraq is that your claims about Islam are woefully mistaken and driven by ideology and hate.

Syria - 90% Muslim. The rest who used to live there before Muslims invaded - gone.

Same with Iraq, which is 96% Muslim. All the rest, gone.

What did the Muslims do with them

Islam has been around only 1400 years, how is it that so many countries have had their populations mostly if not completely replaced by Muslims

Face it, the prospect of living under the harsh whip of the Islamic cult isn't attractive so...

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/27/2017 7:57:43 AM

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Two books that should be read by everyone who is having trouble understanding Israel/Palestine:

James Michener's The Source. Takes all the 'side' out of the issues of Israel and just points out that it's the most religiously contested piece of land in the history of the world, and the birthplace of three major religions.

James Carter's Palestine: Peace Not Palestine: Peace Not ApartheidApartheid. The former president points out the actual facts of why there's been no effective peace in the West Bank in 40 years.

With A'ness the best place to start his education about the Palestine/Israel conflict would be to teach him where Palestine and Israel are using an atlas or map.

Another essential text for understanding the conflict is 'The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" by Israeli historian Ilan Pappe. But that is way above A'ness' pay grade and well beyond his comprehension limits

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/27/2017 8:34:11 AM

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You're an idiot who not only doesn't understand the first fucking thing about Islamic imperalism, you actively don't WANT to understand it. Because it will completely undermine your anti-Semitic Jew hatred.

Ahh . . there you have it, the ultimate ad hom smear. Expectations of the dirt bag A'ness fulfilled. He never leaves us wanting in the promise of ugliness. Ug'ness then.

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/27/2017 8:46:32 AM

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Yes. One would think that such basic truths would be obvious to one and all. But ideological blinkers are powerful censors, and they can blind people to the obvious.

Consider the claim that extremist Islamist terrorism is "mandated" by the religion and the Quran, and contrast that to the actual situation in Iraq and Syria where the war against IS and the "Caliphate" is being led, conducted and won by Muslim armies with Western militaries playing a supporting role. The "Caliphate" and IS are on their last legs and a devastating total military defeat seems just a matter of time. If the claim that IS-type ideology and terrorism is mandated by the Quran had any currency, then those Muslim nations would not be sending their armies against IS, taking casualties and deaths in order to defeat IS. Instead they would be supporting IS.

But of course they're not supporting IS, they are doing their best to destroy it. That ought to make it obvious to even the ideologically blinkered that the claim that extremist Islamist terrorism is "mandated" by the religion and the Quran is bunkum. But as this thread and others demonstrate clearly the lessons are not getting through to our resident Islamophobes. They insist on clinging to their paranoid delusions as though their lives depended upon it. One wonders if any message from the reality that the rest of us experience ever will get through to them ...

What really has me baffled is the apparent assumption, so widely and deeply held, that while the average western Christian-raised person needs a multiplicity of ways of understanding him, the average Muslim needs just one - what it says in the Koran. If you want to understand a Westerner who was brought up as a Christian, who do you ask? You might ask a psychologist, a sociologist, an economist, an anthropologist or a historian. But to understand a Muslim ... well, just go on the net and read some excerpts from the Koran. That's it. That's all that's required. (Don't make the mistake of asking a theologian, though ... it's rare that an expert in theology will put his name to the view that 'the Koran determines all for any given Muslim anywhere, ever'. This is for the excellent reason that an expert in *any* subject is extremely unlikely to be that bloody stupid.) The reductionism behind it is just breathtaking.

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/27/2017 10:17:29 AM

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Yes. One would think that such basic truths would be obvious to one and all. But ideological blinkers are powerful censors, and they can blind people to the obvious.
Exactly. Which is why you support the genocidal activities of the Palestinians.

If we're talking genocide, how do the death tolls on both sides compare since Israel expanded its borders in '67? Are you sure that the Palestinians have a better claim to attempted genocide than the Israelis? Can you demonstrate which side is winning the genocide-off?

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/27/2017 10:53:27 AM

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Why can't we all just get along?

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/27/2017 11:00:40 AM

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It'd be great if we could, but that doesn't seem to work for some reason.

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