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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/27/2017 12:53:25 PM

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Christianity compared to Islam.

Er....Compared on what basis?

"All Christianity" (ever) to all Islam (ever)? Not possible.

Just the loudest, most violent or objectionable of each? Now? Ever? Hardly possible.

Which book is worse? When so many fundies weasel out of many, but not all, by throwing the OT under the bus? Worse by numbers of "kill those guys" references? By word count? Body count? Grossness?

How many "kill the men" is equivalent to one "kill the babies"?

Islam is, what
..1400 years old? So maybe compare how barbarous Islamas it is practised now...To Christianity as it was practised circa 1400 AD? That might approach an apples to apples comparison.

Around the time of the Crusades...The start of the Inquisition (which lasted for centuries).

Face it. Both books were written by bronze age goatherders. Both are bloody in the extreme. Is the Qran bloodier? Sure. But the Christian Bible isn't far behind. We've just had 600 more yrs...And the whole enlightenment...And more books to read than they've, generally, been allowed to...Etc... To modify and soften the parts we need, how seriously we take it, the parts we ignore, disavow, don't teach, claim are allegorical, poetic, of a different time, canceled by the New Flippin Covenant or whatever.

Christianity has been exported farther, and for longer. So, by its effect, has contributed to more subjugation, torture and death of more people in more countries for more centuries. From Roman Empire to the modern European Powers.

What part does "fueled the Feudal system" play, for instance. Is it not violent just because the agony inflicted on the sets wasn't...Always...Specifically with a sword?

How about "justified slavery", so slower the end of that. No, not just in the US. Remember...Other countries exist. Other times existed.

When Christianity had more power, it did more damage.

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/27/2017 1:04:58 PM

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66% of all Dems... What percent of Dems are Muslim? Near zero? What percent are Christian (or Jewish. Or at least grew up with the Bible as cultural background foundation? Not 100%, but close. So, big surprise. 2/3 of a group says "Them" is worse than "Us".

Well it's a helluva surprise to me. Here I was thinking that "66% of Dems think Christianity is as violent as Islam" meant that 2/3 of them think it's "us" that's as bad as "them".

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/27/2017 7:22:03 PM

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Yes. One would think that such basic truths would be obvious to one and all. But ideological blinkers are powerful censors, and they can blind people to the obvious.
Exactly. Which is why you support the genocidal activities of the Palestinians.

If we're talking genocide, how do the death tolls on both sides compare since Israel expanded its borders in '67? Are you sure that the Palestinians have a better claim to attempted genocide than the Israelis? Can you demonstrate which side is winning the genocide-off?

The Israelis have a military machine which is the envy of many nations and they do the best to avoid killing Palestinians.

The Palestinians openly state their aim is to fulfill the promise of their religion and engage in complete genocide of the Jews.

Are you fucking retarded or what?

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/27/2017 7:49:08 PM

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The Palestinians openly state their aim is to fulfill the promise of their religion and engage in complete genocide of the Jews.

If that were true why were there so many million jews left in spain for the christians to murder, after the moooslems left? After all the mooslims were there for about 700 years.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/27/2017 7:52:54 PM

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The Israelis have a military machine which is the envy of many nations

Paid for and trained by amerikan taxpayers.

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/27/2017 7:54:34 PM

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Well it's a helluva surprise to me. Here I was thinking that "66% of Dems think Christianity is as violent as Islam" meant that 2/3 of them think it's "us" that's as bad as "them".

K.

What is the percentage of republicrats who feel the same?

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/28/2017 2:38:51 AM

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Yes. One would think that such basic truths would be obvious to one and all. But ideological blinkers are powerful censors, and they can blind people to the obvious.
Exactly. Which is why you support the genocidal activities of the Palestinians.

If we're talking genocide, how do the death tolls on both sides compare since Israel expanded its borders in '67? Are you sure that the Palestinians have a better claim to attempted genocide than the Israelis? Can you demonstrate which side is winning the genocide-off?

Apologists for Israel really shouldn't accuse others of genocide. Such a charge returns to haunt apologists for Israel when one examines the numbers.

The numbers of fatalities indicate strongly that many many more Palestinians are killed by Israelis and the IDF than Israelis are killed by Palestinians.

For example, for the period 19 January 2009 - 31 December 2016. 3088 Palestinians, of which 699 were minors and 331 were women, were killed by the IDF or Israeli citizens, while 73 Israeli civilians and 80 IDF personnel were killed by Palestinians. That works out to roughly 20 Palestinian fatalities for every Israel fatality.

Or, since 2000 the IDF has killed over 1,500 Palestinian children. Perhaps a score of Israeli children have died in the same period. The death of any child on either side is indefensible. But the numbers are unambiguous - again Palestinian children are dying in far greater numbers than their Israeli counterparts.
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If we are talking genocide, then very obviously the Palestinians are most clearly not guilty of it while the only possible charge of genocide would be one against the IDF.

Complete figures are available here: http://www.btselem.org/statistics

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/28/2017 4:43:14 AM

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Yes. One would think that such basic truths would be obvious to one and all. But ideological blinkers are powerful censors, and they can blind people to the obvious.
Exactly. Which is why you support the genocidal activities of the Palestinians.

If we're talking genocide, how do the death tolls on both sides compare since Israel expanded its borders in '67? Are you sure that the Palestinians have a better claim to attempted genocide than the Israelis? Can you demonstrate which side is winning the genocide-off?

The Israelis have a military machine which is the envy of many nations and they do the best to avoid killing Palestinians.

The Palestinians openly state their aim is to fulfill the promise of their religion and engage in complete genocide of the Jews.

Are you fucking retarded or what?

Nope. You're the one going the full retard in this conversation. Demonstrate that the genocidal Palestinians have killed more Israelis than the Israelis have killed Palestinians. Demonstrate that there aren't as many Israelis calling for every man woman and child in the occupied territories to be killed as there are Palestinians (rather than Iranians or Syrians) calling for Israel to be wiped off the map.

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 3/1/2017 11:16:31 PM

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A'ness has had 2 days now to produce some evidence to back up his wild claims. He is either unable or unwilling to do so.

He has a very real problem finding any evidence to support his claim of Palestinian genocide against Israelis. The reason is that no such evidence exists. The evidence, as I pointed out in my previous post above, all points in the other direction, contradicting A'ness' claim and suggesting that, if there is a party to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict that is committing genocide, the numbers tells us that it can only be the Israeli side.

The IDF is a brutal killing machine responsible for the deaths of thousands of Palestinian civilians.

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 3/2/2017 9:56:17 AM

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Apologists for Israel really shouldn't accuse others of genocide. Such a charge returns to haunt apologists for Israel when one examines the numbers.

Nobody needs to act as an apologist for Israel - their actions are easy to understand. "Examining the numbers" is merely a feint designed to distract from the real issues. Moral justification based on "who manages to more effectively suicide their people" is morally repugnant to any thinking individual.

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The numbers of fatalities indicate strongly that many many more Palestinians are killed by Israelis and the IDF than Israelis are killed by Palestinians.

No, the numbers of fatalities demonstrate that Palestinians are more willing to sacrifice lives to murder Israelis. Including the lives of their children.

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For example, for the period 19 January 2009 - 31 December 2016. 3088 Palestinians, of which 699 were minors and 331 were women, were killed by the IDF or Israeli citizens, while 73 Israeli civilians and 80 IDF personnel were killed by Palestinians. That works out to roughly 20 Palestinian fatalities for every Israel fatality.

Yes, the Israelis are remarkably good at defending their people while the Palestinians are willing to burn lives to murder Jews. That's an obsessive level of Jew hatred there.

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Or, since 2000 the IDF has killed over 1,500 Palestinian children. Perhaps a score of Israeli children have died in the same period. The death of any child on either side is indefensible. But the numbers are unambiguous - again Palestinian children are dying in far greater numbers than their Israeli counterparts.
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If the deaths of children are indefensible, then kindly explain why the Palestinians use their own children as human shields. The use of human shields in direct (firing your weapon from the shoulder of your child) and indirect (firing rockets from occupied schools) warfare upon Israelis is the primary reason why so many Palestinian children die. Because their murderous religious creed would rather murder Jews and use the deaths of their own children as propaganda.

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If we are talking genocide, then very obviously the Palestinians are most clearly not guilty of it while the only possible charge of genocide would be one against the IDF.

No, the Palestinians are not fucking EFFECTIVE at it - but they have openly stated it as their aim for fucking decades.

In contrast, if Israel wanted to commit genocide, there wouldn't be a single "Palestinian" alive today. (Leaving aside the notion that you can't genocide the Palestinians because there's no such people - they're just Arabs.)

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 3/2/2017 10:01:49 AM

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Nope. You're the one going the full retard in this conversation.

It's really boring watching you show up to a gunfight with your pocket-knife level intelligence. Education time.

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Demonstrate that the genocidal Palestinians have killed more Israelis than the Israelis have killed Palestinians.

Why? Are we supposed to excuse the Palestinians for their genocidal desires AND their incompetence? Google "cause and effect", there's a good girl.

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Demonstrate that there aren't as many Israelis calling for every man woman and child in the occupied territories to be killed as there are Palestinians (rather than Iranians or Syrians) calling for Israel to be wiped off the map.

I'm afraid you don't understand the basics of propositional logic. You can't ask someone else to demonstrate a negative for a claim you're making. Just the same way you can't prove you're not a lunatic logging in from an asylum for the Chronically Stupid and Socially Retarded. Instead, YOU have to demonstrate that Israelis ARE calling for the genocide of the Palestinians.

Yes. You really are that bad at this. Your intelligence is pitiful.

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 3/2/2017 10:06:59 AM

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You stated that Israelis are making an effort to avoid killing Palestinians, and that the Palestinians are committing genocide against the Israelis.
If you can't substantiate your claims, don't make them in the first place.

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 3/2/2017 10:08:33 AM

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A'ness has had 2 days now to produce some evidence to back up his wild claims. He is either unable or unwilling to do so.

He has a very real problem finding any evidence to support his claim of Palestinian genocide against Israelis. The reason is that no such evidence exists. The evidence, as I pointed out in my previous post above, all points in the other direction, contradicting A'ness' claim and suggesting that, if there is a party to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict that is committing genocide, the numbers tells us that it can only be the Israeli side.

The IDF is a brutal killing machine responsible for the deaths of thousands of Palestinian civilians.

Oh, don't be stupid. I don't owe you a response on a time scale, you fucking lunatic.

Second. Straw man. The Palestinians want to commit genocide of the Jews (as do all Muslims - it's written right into their creed). That's what I said. And their own words have proved that over decades, however much you might want to pretend otherwise.

Third, you have a problem understanding the word genocide. It means the complete erasure of a people. Given that "Palestinians" are just Arabs who happen to live in Israel and Jordan, the idea that Israelis are attempting to genocide the Arab people (or indeed the "Palestinian" subset of that people) is laughable.

This is the kind of deceptive legerdemain apologists for Islamic terrorism constantly engage in. All Islamic terrorism is justified as a consequence of outside forces. Islamic terrorists are never responsible for their own actions, it's that they've been downtrodden by white men which justifies any evil thing they do.

Which is exactly why feminists align with Islamic terrorism - because it's exactly the same set of arguments they use for themselves.

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 3/2/2017 10:11:42 AM

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You stated that Israelis are making an effort to avoid killing Palestinians, and that the Palestinians are committing genocide against the Israelis.
If you can't substantiate your claims, don't make them in the first place.

You can see what I wrote ON THIS PAGE you mental deficient:

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The Palestinians openly state their aim is to fulfill the promise of their religion and engage in complete genocide of the Jews.

The words are RIGHT THERE BEFORE YOU and you still manage to have trouble reading them.

If you can't handle the task of reading and comprehending sentences, then I'm afraid morally complex arguments are WAY beyond you.

Stick to counting on your fingers.

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 3/2/2017 10:14:22 AM

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So the genocidal moslems in Palestine are openly stating their intention to wipe out all of the poor oppressed Israelis, but you can't provide any evidence to substantiate that, then?
Cute.

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 3/2/2017 10:18:32 AM

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So the genocidal moslems in Palestine are openly stating their intention to wipe out all of the poor oppressed Israelis, but you can't provide any evidence to substantiate that, then?
Cute.

You mean you don't know where that evidence is?

How amusing. You really don't have the faintest fucking idea what you're talking about.

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 3/2/2017 10:20:40 AM

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So the genocidal moslems in Palestine are openly stating their intention to wipe out all of the poor oppressed Israelis, but you can't provide any evidence to substantiate that, then?
Cute.

You mean you don't know where that evidence is?

How amusing. You really don't have the faintest fucking idea what you're talking about.

You're the one making the claims, you provide the evidence.

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 3/2/2017 10:23:55 AM

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So the genocidal moslems in Palestine are openly stating their intention to wipe out all of the poor oppressed Israelis, but you can't provide any evidence to substantiate that, then?
Cute.

You mean you don't know where that evidence is?

How amusing. You really don't have the faintest fucking idea what you're talking about.

You're the one making the claims, you provide the evidence.

It's not a claim. It's an established fact which needs to be accepted as an axiom if you're attempting to discuss the Middle East.

I'm not here to teach you. Go away and learn something about this conflict because you're just too basically ignorant to do anything other than demonstrate that ignorance.

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 3/2/2017 10:28:02 AM

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It's not a claim. It's an established fact which needs to be accepted as an axiom if you're attempting to discuss the Middle East.

Your claims to possess a vast intellect would be a lot more convincing if you were capable of distinguishing between established facts and your own opinions.

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 3/2/2017 10:39:55 AM

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Which is exactly why feminists align with Islamic terrorism - because it's exactly the same set of arguments they use for themselves.

Jesus Christ, A. How do you keep getting past those orderlies?!

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