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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/25/2017 6:10:15 PM   
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You can't even get into Canada if you have a DUI on your record.

So Canada is stricter than US on vetting?

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/25/2017 6:11:30 PM   
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Would that also include the the Adulterer's 3rd wife? The first lady is alleged to have violated the terms of her US tourist visa by illegally working as a model


But then she went through proper channels and became a legal citizen now.
Remember during campaign period, Trump talks about wanting these illegal to come back through proper path?
Don't worry, he covered his wife's ass.

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/25/2017 6:16:37 PM   
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Still with the ignorant fearmongering on the bathroom issue.

FACT: More Republican politicians than transgender people (zero) have been arrested for sexual misconduct in bathrooms.

http://deadstate.org/more-gop-politicians-have-been-arrested-for-sexual-misconduct-in-bathrooms-than-trans-people/

As usual, this is another case of conservatives lathering up its idiot base into irrational fear to try to bolster support for their dying political movement, and harming the rights of innocent people in the process.

Why are conservatives so evil? What happened to you all as children to make you this hateful and ignorant? I really would like to know. Someday, we'll find a cure for your condition, I hope.

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/25/2017 6:17:18 PM   
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That's because Trans has not been legally allowed to enter female bathrooms for a long time.


This is incorrect. That it is legal is why (alt-right) people in the U.S. were so mad at Target right now, because they have specified they will ignore the law in those states where it is on the books. It is a law in North Carolina. I'm not sure if it's still a law in Georgia, but I know both Disney and THE WALKING DEAD were considering abandoning Georgia a few months back, and some performers cancelled their concerts in the state in protest. From what I;ve been able to find, it looks like President Obama backed them down, they threatened to sue, and then gave up.

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I am not accusing Trans of assaulting women. I am accusing men who pretend to be Trans of assaulting women. How can you know if the male is a REAL transgender or not?

I think this is the issue for America: can you find a single incident of a person pretending to be a trans-woman assaulting a woman in a woman's bathroom? Or a single incident of a person pretending to be a trans-man assaulting a man in a men's bathroom?

If you can-- and I mean, even one verifiable incident-- than this is a real and valid fear. If not, this is persecution of trans-people for the comfort of the rest of us, and I'm afraid that just isn't right. I doubt very much you will find this, because sexual assaults occur with people toxic in their sexuality. It is possible that a rapist could employ a disguise as a woman, but it seems much more likely that dressing as a woman, which would promote empathy for being a woman-- would kill the rape-y mood.

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/25/2017 6:20:10 PM   
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Isn't it adorable how for the Civil War Loser Leftovers, bathroom use is an issue that should be left to the states, but whether people can use a relatively harmless dried leaf in the privacy of their own homes is a dire Federal issue that the States can't be trusted to decide on?

Isn't it adorable how they pull this hypocritical shit all the time?

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/25/2017 6:22:23 PM   
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You can't even get into Canada if you have a DUI on your record.


Neither canada nor amerika will allow criminals into their respective countries.
Dui is a criminal offense in both canada and amerika. That you think it is trivial is "interesting"
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


http://ccresourcecenter.org/2015/06/18/traveling-to-canada-with-a-criminal-record/

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/25/2017 6:26:00 PM   
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You can't even get into Canada if you have a DUI on your record.

So Canada is stricter than US on vetting?


No dumbass. Neither amerika nor canada allow criminals in.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid,


http://ccresourcecenter.org/2015/06/18/traveling-to-canada-with-a-criminal-record/

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/25/2017 6:29:01 PM   
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I think this is the issue for America: can you find a single incident of a person pretending to be a trans-woman assaulting a woman in a woman's bathroom? Or a single incident of a person pretending to be a trans-man assaulting a man in a men's bathroom?

If you can-- and I mean, even one verifiable incident-- than this is a real and valid fear. If not, this is persecution of trans-people for the comfort of the rest of us, and I'm afraid that just isn't right. I doubt very much you will find this, because sexual assaults occur with people toxic in their sexuality. It is possible that a rapist could employ a disguise as a woman, but it seems much more likely that dressing as a woman, which would promote empathy for being a woman-- would kill the rape-y mood.

You Americans always want to wait for a woman to get hurt BEFORE you implement protections for them.

Whereas we believe in prevention!

With the prevalence of upskirt videos these days for example. IF males who cross dress are allowed in female toilets. I forsee the increase of women being filmed in toilets.

And the sad thing about being film is. Unless the idiot is stupid enough to upload it into the internet and let it go viral. You may never know.

On top of that, Look at this! https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/its-still-not-a-crime-to-take-photos-up-a-womans-skirt-in-america-522

I guess women who got filmed in female toilets by men cross dressing as women would have no protection by the law either and can seek no recourse.

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/25/2017 6:29:34 PM   
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Would that also include the the Adulterer's 3rd wife? The first lady is alleged to have violated the terms of her US tourist visa by illegally working as a model

But then she went through proper channels and became a legal citizen now.

Wrong again dumbass. She violated the terms of her visa. That means that rich and powerful people don't have to play by the same rules as the rest of amerika...just like that third world shithole called singapore.


Remember during campaign period, Trump talks about wanting these illegal to come back through proper path?


What is the yearly immigration quota from mexico to amerika?



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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/25/2017 6:32:04 PM   
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Isn't it adorable how for the Civil War Loser Leftovers, bathroom use is an issue that should be left to the states, but whether people can use a relatively harmless dried leaf in the privacy of their own homes is a dire Federal issue that the States can't be trusted to decide on?

Isn't it adorable how they pull this hypocritical shit all the time?

The anti-drug is, is personally Trump and not really conservative I believe.

Trump is drug free and alcohol free person. He raised his own kids that way and believed drugs and alcohol caused alot of problems.

It's just his own personal belief that this will be better off for the people if they can move towards a drug free country.


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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/25/2017 6:33:22 PM   
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You Americans always want to wait for a woman to get hurt BEFORE you implement protections for them.

Whereas we believe in prevention!


Does that third world shithole called singapore protect women from eating themselves into an early grave through the complications of obesity?


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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/25/2017 6:38:42 PM   
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Does that third world shithole called singapore protect women from eating themselves into an early grave through the complications of obesity?

It's ironic as an American you are complaining about our obesity when we barely have an obesity problem in the scale of America epidemic. On top of that, our obese may live longer lives, just because, we eat healthier food over all. No preservatives. All fresh ingredients. Fresh vegetables and meat freshly cooked ala minute at our version of local "Fast Food".

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/25/2017 6:39:50 PM   
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Issue One - Trumps Brand New Deportation Plan will deport any illegal Aliens that has committed any crime.

This is a fantastic plan! Makes perfect sense to me. He said he wanna go after the criminals. So if crime commited, then back to their countries they go! Good plan!

Crossing the boarder illegally is a misdomeanor. If that is your criteria then that means all illegal aliens have committed a crime and can be deported. Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

That's not such a bad idea is it thompson??

I wish we could do just that. I really do.
But we get fucked up with EU red tape that generally stops deportations.


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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/25/2017 6:43:11 PM   
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You Americans always want to wait for a woman to get hurt BEFORE you implement protections for them.

Whereas we believe in prevention!

With the prevalence of upskirt videos these days for example. IF males who cross dress are allowed in female toilets. I forsee the increase of women being filmed in toilets.

And the sad thing about being film is. Unless the idiot is stupid enough to upload it into the internet and let it go viral. You may never know.


But you are talking about something no one has EVER done, ever, as if it is some kind of clear danger. I mean, if someone wants to rape someone. they are just going to charge in and try it-- dressing as a woman won't make it legal. This isn't about fear of that actually happening, it's about fear and discomfort people feel towards trans-people in the same bathroom as them.

Going to the bathroom is not a sexy scenario for a trans-person. It isn't empowering. It's a cramping, let's-not-make-this-anymore-painful scenario. This whole issue is similar to the homophobia of not being able to understand homosexual love because it involves sodomy; similarly, cis people are having trouble thinking that the wrong genitalia is near them.

You bring up upskirt filming, and it's interesting to note that currently, upskirt filming does occur in women's room. (Some of it is faked, some of it is real.) There has yet to be any recorded incident of a man dressing up as a woman to do it. Which means that all cases involve men just sneaking in, with no costume to protect them, and installing a camera or just holding at the edge of a stall door.

Should trans people, who have as yet never done this, have to suffer when non-trans people are actually doing it?

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/25/2017 7:09:32 PM   
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Should trans people, who have as yet never done this, have to suffer when non-trans people are actually doing it?


With my third bathroom solution. It will protect LGBT and Women.

I don't see why men who identify as woman should be allowed to risk woman's safety at all.

Currently, you have man sneaking into female bathrooms to install cameras.

But it will only be time and MAY have already happened that man just cross dress as women just to film women in bathroom.

IF it's officially legalised country wide by federal law. It will empower these perverts to feel more comfortable doing it this way.

Also, such crime are hard to trace as it depends on if they uploaded the pictures online for people to notice or not.

IF they kept it in their personal phones. Nobody would ever know.

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/25/2017 7:18:21 PM   
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It makes no sense to tell transgenders, "Yes we know you aren't doing this currently, but non transgenders are, so as you might do something like this, we're banning you from the bathrooms." That's reaching and it falsely assumes transgender people want to sexualize others in the bathroom on the basis of no evidence. It's similar to the way homophobes used to assume all homosexuals were also pedophiles.

Isn't the better solution to find ways that someone dealing with ANYONE doing upskirt can call for security instantly, instead of coming down hard on the people who have never been guilty of this and doing nothing about the peopke who ARE currently do this?

Oh, and it is a crime to publish upskirts to the Internet in America, as of 2016-- it's exploitation. I'm not sure if filming it is a national crime, but putting it on the Internet is.

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/25/2017 7:22:34 PM   
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Isn't the better solution to find ways that someone dealing with ANYONE doing upskirt can call for security instantly, instead of coming down hard on the people who have never been guilty of this and doing nothing about the peopke who ARE currently do this?

Oh, and it is a crime to publish upskirts to the Internet in America, as of 2016-- it's exploitation. I'm not sure if filming it is a national crime, but putting it on the Internet is.

There is no way to catch people who film upskirt videos and in female toilets, as i was saying, especially changing rooms. It's just naked women walking everywhere. So people could just pretend to be texting on their phones. And be filming!

There is no way to verify if the Transgender IS a Transgender or a man in drag. Since being trans is all about what gender you identify inside, despite your physical appearance. So if you look like a man and have all the male parts but you feel like a woman inside. You are a transgender. So how do we know if it's a real transgender?

Thus, it does not make sense to allow them into Female bathroom.

LGBT toilet is the best solution.

And in the US, it's not illegal to film anybody in public. A public toilet would be public.

And your logic does not make sense.

Because think about it.

Why does male and female need separate toilets in the first place?

Because women assume there are potential predators in men. So there is separate toilets.

That's why we have separate toilets in the first place!

It's about safety.

Because if you think about it. And if you happen to be a left person who oppose guns.

Then it would be the same logic. Why are we punishing good gun owners right? Because it's for the safety of majority.

Look, I come from a gun free country, so I believe gun-free works perfectly even if it punishes good gun owners.

I just wanna quote the article I posted earlier:

"It's not a crime for photographers to take pictures of what's publicly visible in public places and then distribute those photographs," he said.

"It's not a crime for photographers to take pictures of what's publicly visible in public places and then distribute those photographs," he said.

Websites that host such content are not usually breaking any laws, according to Volokh, and women who would find themselves on such websites often have little recourse.

Should a woman see herself being upskirted or recorded using hidden cameras, she could contact law enforcement and ask them to investigate. But as Volokh explained, that wouldn't be easy; federal law makes most websites immune from facing charges related to content uploaded by its users.


To me allowing men who dress as a woman into female toilet increased the risk of such things happening.

Now it's just upskirt. In female toilets, it can be naked women galore. Especially high school toilets isn't it? I don't know what it is like over there, but women change clothes in there to play their sports too.



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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/25/2017 7:32:49 PM   
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Does that third world shithole called singapore protect women from eating themselves into an early grave through the complications of obesity?

It's ironic as an American you are complaining about our obesity

Perhaps you could get a grown up to read the big words to you dumbass.
That is not what I said...would you like to buy a vowel?




when we barely have an obesity problem in the scale of America epidemic. On top of that, our obese may live longer lives, just because, we eat healthier food over all. No preservatives. All fresh ingredients. Fresh vegetables and meat freshly cooked ala minute at our version of local "Fast Food".

Keep telling yourself that sweet cheeks....and it will all be better.




Obesity also rising in Singapore





The last National Health Survey in 2010 found that 11 per cent of adults here aged between 18 and 69 were obese, up from 7 per cent in 2004. PHOTO: ST FILE

Rising obesity in children and young adults will push up the rate of diabetes in Singapore - already among the highest in the developed world - going by recent studies.

Professor Chia Kee Seng, dean of the Saw Swee Hock School of Public Health, said 34 per cent of people aged 24 to 35 this year can expect to be diabetic by the time they are 65, based on projections.

Overall, diabetes rates have risen, from 8.6 per cent of the adult population in 1992 to 11.3 per cent in 2010. This would have gone up to 12.9 per cent by last year, said epidemiologists at the school under the National University of Singapore.


http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/rising-obesity-among-young-set-to-worsen-diabetes-rate


http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/obesity-also-rising-in-singapore

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/25/2017 7:37:41 PM   
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Obesity is rising thanks to the invasion of American food like MacDonalds. But still not at the epidemic levels of the US.

Also, Singapore BMI is stricter than US's standards.

What could be considered normal BMI in the US is overweight in Singapore. We have a even stricter BMI scale.


USA

Below 18.5 Underweight
18.5 – 24.9 Normal or Healthy Weight
25.0 – 29.9 Overweight
30.0 and Above Obese

Singapore
Below 18.5 Underweight
18.5 – 23.0 Normal or Healthy Weight
23.0 – 27.5 Overweight
27.5 and Above Obese


So if we were to use USA BMI scale, you will find that 11% will drop drastically.

I also want to address diabetes. Many skinny people have diabetes in Singapore. It's because we eat rice for every meal. Breakfast, lunch and dinner. 70% of our food is rice. And Rice causes diabetes. So you will find people with high rice diet to have a diabetic problem. When that happens. My uncle had to give up rice 100% and his diabetes fell to almost non existence. Just went on lean meats and vegetables which he was always taking anyway. It's just the rice. White rice specifically but that's what we like the most. Brown rice is okay.

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/25/2017 7:42:24 PM   
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That's because Trans has not been legally allowed to enter female bathrooms for a long time enough to measure this.

How many years do you want?

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I am not accusing Trans of assaulting women. I am accusing men who pretend to be Trans of assaulting women. How can you know if the male is a REAL transgender or not?

To be quite frank, I've seen more morons putting up videos on youtube with this horse hockey than I've ever seen of anything else.

Greta, if we were ever shopping in the same establishment, would you want to look into the next stall, (the one I'm using) to see if I'm "woman" enough to be taking a leak? Do you want to check my bits to see?

Wait. That's exactly what you are thinking other people are doing.

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Since all it takes is an effeminate male who loves dressing up as a woman? How do we know if they are trans or not? They are not guarding woman's safety at all. As I said, all you care about is transgender safety and not woman's safety at all.

Well, yeah, I kind of am, because I happen to consider transwomen to be women.

By the way, I'm still waiting for you to post even one link about an attack because somebody 'faked' being trans to assault someone. I can do quid pro quo. Want me to link some of the brutal attacks that trans* women have been subjected to for peeing at a McDonald's?

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I even know there are males who are married TO women, have children, but goes out dressed as a woman with his wife all the time. But kept all his manly parts intact. Just cross dressed.

Yep. Me, too.

You're bringing into the discussion the matters of cross dressing as related to trans*, and even further if 'bottom surgery' is the qualification/pass the bar determination if an individual is trans* or not.

I'm going to ask you an honest question here. Do you really know how hard it is, even if a person wants it, just how hard it is for a person to even get to the point of obtaining bottom surgery? The years you have to be treated for gender dis-morphia? The legal aspects? The hormones? The expense?

Oh, hey, and guess what? While you're doing this over the course of years, YOU ARE A F^CKING TARGET.

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And can you even imagine, I've been to public swimming pool or beach toilets in the west. And women are naked everywhere in it. How would woman feel comfortable with these effeminate males going in there dressed as women?

Please clarify. Your definition of "west," please.

I've lived all over this country. Swimming pools, natural hot springs, big kink cons, and private parties. I felt just fine.

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Don't be ridiculous. In a mall or a school. Walking up one floor is not gonna kill you. In some places like Malaysia. You find some malls where male toilets are one floor and female toilets are another floor. And people still are able to get to their toilets fine.

Yeah, I'm kind of spoiled. I mean, my heart goes out to people in Malaysia that they have never had the privilege of not having to climb a staircase in need of accessing a toilet. I don't piss in rice paddies, either.

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As I said, if they do not increase the toilet stalls but go according to my plan to divide existing toilets accordingly. There is no need to increase costs.

You're not getting this, are you?

Most public facilities, regardless of the number of stalls, are divided to men and women. You can find 'independent' restrooms, aka "family" singular closets, depending on where you might be.

Putting those in does cost money. When the state of CA put them in for all of their rest stops, the bill was significant, and we're talking about a state that, at one time, couldn't even afford to keep it's restrooms along the highway open.

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Transgenders are always very tall. And most of the time, it's very obvious they are not natural females. I doubt I have been in a female toilet where I have not identified someone as trans. Their features are always obvious. It's very seldom that a regular trans on the street actually doesn't look like a man dress in drag. Over here we have mostly Thai transgender who we have sympathy for, because, majority of them were forced to be Trans from babies by their parents to work in the flesh trade and not by choice. Which is why, I am suggesting LGBT toilets solution instead of giving them no toilets.

The shortest transgendered male that I know stands exactly 5'2". Same height as me. Kind of blows that theory out of the water.

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End of the day. My disagreement with you is. You only care about transgender comfort.

I'm ok with you disagreeing with me. I'm more concerned about your lack of education that leads to your discomfort.

Please tell me what your fear is based on? Is it because any trans* person has ever hurt you? Is it because any verifiable trans* person has sexually assaulted anyone at all? Or, is it about suspicion and fear?

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But you don't care about woman's comfort and safety. There will be many women out there like myself who is not comfortable with a cross dressing male inside a female toilet. I will feel unsafe.

Why? It's an honest question..

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Especially with camera phones available these days. Any man can cross dress into a female and bring a phone in and film for his own pleasure. Assault on women doesn't have to be physical.

Less than six months ago, I and a few other members of this site were on a thread about a consent violator who was doing this exact thing in the great state of North Carolina. Cis-gendered man. Not the first. Not the last.

Show me one news story about a transman doing the same thing.



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