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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/25/2017 9:00:33 PM

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Thompson, you are such a retard sometimes. I have zero respect for you as a human being who is capable of coherent thoughts.

Yet I am the one who substantiates his opinions with with vallid sources and you cannot...that would be prima facia evidence of you being the retarded one who spouts bullshit.Why would myself or anyone seek the respect of a moron who makes shit up and spouts shit out of her mouth every time it is opened?

You avoided someone else here other than me proving to you that your claims of Singapore poverty levels is false. So no point if someone substantiate anything to you.

Cite please.

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/25/2017 9:09:46 PM

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Cite please.

Just go back to your last post where you bring up your links about Singapore poverty versus India poverty and see his response to you.

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/25/2017 9:34:43 PM

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My fear is the pervert men dressing up as a female, masquerading as a transgender taking naked videos or pictures against my knowledge and to have that stored in his phone. In a female bathroom. And since it is PERFECTLY LEGAL for them to do that. I will have no recourse.

As simple as that. And I may never know if it is done or not, as long as the idiot doesn't load it online. Or if it's loaded online, somewhere obscure where I may never know.

A LGBT toilet is the best solution. IF Malaysia doesn't have budget problems in maintain their highway toilets, how is US having this problem? Malaysia is poorer than the US.

In Singapore and Malaysia, we solve this problem by charging the use of the toilets. Most people here have no problems paying to enter a toilet. As long as it's kept perfect and clean, we are more than happy to pay entrance fees to toilets.

So actually, cost is the least worry about this problem.

One state in particular. CA.

They shut down every rest stop in the state. Of course, this was the same time that CA had a lot of other budget problems. No money in the state funds to pay teachers. No money for water. Unemployment the highest in the nation. It was pretty bad.

I want you to think about more than just building a 'third' bathroom. We're a pretty litigious society. How much do you think the individual states pay in court costs? Govt buildings, schools, that kind of thing.

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/26/2017 2:40:57 AM

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WD Would that also include the the Adulterer's 3rd wife? The first lady is alleged to have violated the terms of her US tourist visa by illegally working as a model

Morning wifey5 Dimbitch But then she went through proper channels and became a legal citizen now. He cannot have it both ways

I agree thompsonx Wrong again dumbass. She violated the terms of her visa. That means that rich and powerful people don't have to play by the same rules as the rest of amerika.

Chosen gender I have no issue with this. Only those with brain poverty do: demonising them all as perverted monsters sick in the head. What about paedophiles - statistically speaking they pose the largest risk. But why stop there: rapists, felons, spouse beaters, anyone looking a bit black, those who obtained a visa/citizenship by dubious means, anyone suffering a mental illness, all men with long hair, all women with short hair, women not in corset and 10 inch heels, etc

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/26/2017 2:48:51 AM

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WD,
Trump statement is:
Deport all the illegals.

Then invite all the good ones to come back through proper channels.

Thus wife has done the illegal, and have also came back through proper channels.

That was Trump's immigration plan.

I don't see any double standards or contradiction.

Actually also WD, Pedophiles probably hangs out at nursery school vicinity or toy stores or kids play ground, anywhere, where they can get to kids freely running around.

Kids in toilets are usually accompanied by their parents, so the risk is lower there. Although still possible.

The moment we have separate gender toilets, is already saying that there is potential danger in one gender.

So if it's okay to put men in different toilets. Then why is it not okay to put LGBT in a different toilet?

If all toilets of the world remains unisex. We wouldn't be having this debate.

There is nothing to debate about, everybody simply uses the same toilet.

But we started segregating for good reasons. And now I'm just about expanding the segregating. To serve more specific needs and keep everybody equally safe.

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/26/2017 3:06:59 AM

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I don't see any double standards or contradiction.

Of course you don't.

You already said that you don't care if Trump or any other politician lies or not, all you care about is who is "more inspirational."

You don't see anything you don't want to see, and you like politicians who tell stories you want to hear, that is patently obvious.

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/26/2017 3:13:37 AM

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I actually find someone who tells the truth and presents real facts more inspirational, but that's just me.

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/26/2017 3:16:55 AM

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I don't see any double standards or contradiction.

Of course you don't.

You already said that you don't care if Trump or any other politician lies or not, all you care about is who is "more inspirational."

You don't see anything you don't want to see, and you like politicians who tell stories you want to hear, that is patently obvious.

All politicians lied about something at one point or another.
But this deportation thing, his wife may have unwittedly worked here illegal as an early model. I mean, if a company employs you to come into US to do some photoshoot, you just fly in and do it right? I didn't even know you need a freaking work permit to fly into US just to do photo shoots.

It's not like she intentionally sneak into this country illegally.

She simply worked illegally on a tourist visa.

Trump is going after "overstayers" and people who came in illegally.

It's not the same thing.

I don't think he is going after folks who work illegally on a tourist visa, UNLESS they over stay their tourist visa.

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/26/2017 3:45:52 AM

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All politicians lied about something at one point or another.

Oh just stop it. Lying 'at one point or another' vs. telling gargantuan lies one after another is not the same thing. The point is that politicians should not be voted on by how much their fantasy stories induce people to fondle themselves.

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/26/2017 3:51:20 AM

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Oh just stop it. Lying 'at one point or another' vs. telling gargantuan lies one after another is not the same thing. The point is that politicians should not be voted on by how much their fantasy stories induce people fondle themselves.

Actually, all of them tell gargantuan lies.
The difference is in the way they execute their lies.
Trump is just a terrible liar. He doesn't know which things to leave alone and just don't even talk about it. But he is not a polished politician so he is behaving exactly how an unpolished politician would be like.
Most politicians know how to lie more gracefully and smoothly.

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/26/2017 3:57:26 AM

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Not that it matters (because I know that one person's experience doesn't make the argument) but for the record, I was sexually assaulted as a young minor in a bathroom by a strange man who came in after me. I was much too young, paralyzed by what he was doing, frozen, and not able to react; not mature and confident enough to react. No one will ever convince me that this isn't a real risk.

But that's not why it sits wrong with me. I suppose you could say that I feel....offended that someone who is clearly not a woman feels they can take some pills, get some plastic surgery, and put on a dress and call themselves a woman. I feel like that diminishes women to the point of objectification, and that someone who does these things is making a mockery of womanhood.

I have no doubt that there are some people who are genuinely suffering in this way with their gender identity. I do not accept that they are the high numbers of people that we believe or accept them to be. I don't believe that nature has gone quite that amok.

I posted this awhile back in a different transgender thread and got no real responses. I think it's worth re-posting here. Maybe someone can enlighten me.

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I am a woman. However, my long hair, the size of my breasts, whether I've had children or not, wearing makeup, working in a certain field, looking pretty....these things don't define me as a woman. Correct? I mean, if I were to lose my breasts through mastectomy, I would still be a woman. And if I were to cut my hair short and wear flannel shirts and hiking boots, I am still a woman. While I may not be able to answer to anyone's satisfaction what does define me a woman, I'm going to go on the assumption that we can all agree that any one of these things does not define me as a woman.

So, if I were a man but felt mismatched with that and felt like I more accurately identified as a woman, why is it that the outward changes I make in order to fit in as a woman in society are those very things that actually don't define someone as a woman?

Maybe I'm wrong, here. (Could very well be. I can count on one finger the number of transgender persons I know - that I'm aware of, anyway.) Do transgender persons try to assimilate into society by changing their outward appearance? If I'm correct in assuming so, then what does that get them? Our society already allows us to sleep with whomever we like, so he doesn't have to dress as a woman to be with a man. What other internal motivation would there be that doesn't rely on stereotypes of outward appearance and behavior?

And it often crosses my mind to wonder, if my assumptions are all correct: why is it okay to encourage using physical stereotypes as a way to express gender for our transgender folk, but it's frowned upon for those of us who aren't? An example of what I mean: It would be inappropriate for me to push my breasts up to an unnatural extent in order to, I don't know, go to a job interview. My breasts aren't who I am, and if I tried to make my appearance all about my breasts, then I would not be taken seriously. But if I'm a man who identifies as a woman, then somehow it's appropriate for me to...push my "breasts" up to an unnatural extent in order to go to a job interview. In that case, we'd be all "You go, girl!" but what's happening is that person is making their appearance all about their breasts - their physical femaleness* - but yet, they are taken seriously.

Just some thoughts....

*not quite sure that's a word. :)

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/26/2017 4:00:19 AM

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I can see your point, but that doesn't escape the fact that a number of politicians, whatever their spiel, lie a good bit less than Trump, even some Republicans.

But if you find someone who speaks like a dumbshit, due in no small part because he actually is a dumbshit, to be more to your liking, than so be it.

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/26/2017 4:07:50 AM

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Using Caitlyn Jenner as an example.
I think it's more like. He is a manly man. But he realises he loves all the girly things. He loves wearing dresses. He loves having a body that will look good in female dresses. He loves heels. He loves make up. He loves hair extensions. Nail Polish on nails. These are perhaps the things he feels limited to do as a male. And even as a gay male, but I think the problem is that, he is not gay. It sounds like he just like all the girly things but attracted to women sexually.

So Lesbian transgender?

It's confusing.

But I guess when someone who is a male, starts being into girly things, it gets confusing. And start thinking maybe he is meant to be a female. Because a male isn't suppose to like these things.

That's how I think men identify as transgenders, and that is my just personal opinion.

The plastic surgery to change their bodies to be like a woman IS because they like how clothes look on a woman and they want the body to be able to enjoy the clothes the female wear.

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/26/2017 4:10:45 AM

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Isn't the better solution to find ways that someone dealing with ANYONE doing upskirt can call for security instantly, instead of coming down hard on the people who have never been guilty of this and doing nothing about the peopke who ARE currently do this?

Oh, and it is a crime to publish upskirts to the Internet in America, as of 2016-- it's exploitation. I'm not sure if filming it is a national crime, but putting it on the Internet is.

There is no way to catch people who film upskirt videos and in female toilets, as i was saying, especially changing rooms. It's just naked women walking everywhere. So people could just pretend to be texting on their phones. And be filming!

I spent time working in Singapore and have also travelled quite a bit including the USA, Canada,Egypt and a lot of Europe and I can honestly say that I have never ever seen a female toilet where women are walking around naked.

In one restaurant in Belgium which is a favourite place for myself and my family the toilet is a mixed male and female area. The 2 areas are divided by a low stable door so when a female sits on the loo she is able to see a man at the stall taking a pee. It has never made me feel unsafe. It is just the way things are.
When I was working in Cairo the restaurant we used a lot had a toilet that was more like a small shed out in the open at the back. They would have a male, usually young, standing outside to hand you a sheet of loo roll when you needed it. It never made me feel unsafe. It is just the way they do things.

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/26/2017 4:12:12 AM

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I can see your point, but that doesn't escape the fact that a number of politicians, whatever their spiel, lie a good bit less than Trump, even some Republicans.

But if you find someone who speaks like a dumbshit, due in no small part because he actually is a dumbshit, to be more to your liking, than so be it.

Myself, like the rest of Trump voters are sick of Good Convincing Liars that are traditional politicians. We love that Trump is so obvious when he lies. I mean many of his supporters do not believe he will fulfill half of what he said. Take Billionaire Evan Spiegal for example. Big supporter of Trump but claims all his words are just rhetoric.

I believe Trump will try to fulfill as much as he promised. But when he made those promises, he made it as an inexperienced politician, not really knowing how difficult it is to implement all that he wants to do. So that will be his challenge to navigate that.

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/26/2017 4:16:33 AM

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I spent time workingI have also travelled quite a bit including the USA, Canada,Egypt and a lot of Europe and I can honestly say that I have never ever seen a female toilet where women are walking around naked.

When I was in public indoor swimming pool toilets in Canada and Australia. I was shock that the whole toilet is filled with naked woman walking around. Fully naked! Shower rooms has no door so women have to shower naked in full sight of everybody.

That's my experience.

So when male cross dressed as female who are straight males walks into that. I would feel very uncomfortable. And I will never be able to physically identify the difference between a Straight Male who happens to love to cross dress, or is it a genuine transgender who thinks his a woman.

And then in my conservative country Singapore, where we DO have doors in individual shower cubicles and changing rooms! We still get Caucasian people walking naked everywhere in there! When they got their private changing closed door rooms to use! I don't get it!

Of course cultural upbringing is different. But we believe that we don't flash other people our naked bits non-consensually in public places like public toilets. Even if it's woman to woman.

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/26/2017 4:21:15 AM

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Well, then IF every school has just one bathroom for everybody.

Then there would be no debate about which toilet can transgender use.

But personally in Asia. We women would never want to share bathroom with males EVER.

They can't aim. And they pee all over the toilet seats.

It's disgusting.

My x-husband use to pee sitting down on toilet seat, so we don't have that whole toilet seat up or down problem. Or any residue accidental splashes on toilet seats.

When I was working at a brand new hospital in Singapore the Matron had to gather all the female nurses together to explain to them how to use the toilet. Most of them were standing on the seat facing the wall and squatting to pee and never cleaning the stray liquid off of the seat or clean their shoe print. That is my experience of Singapore.

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/26/2017 4:21:30 AM

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All politicians lied about something at one point or another.
But this deportation thing, his wife may have unwittedly worked here illegal as an early model. I mean, if a company employs you to come into US to do some photoshoot, you just fly in and do it right? I didn't even know you need a freaking work permit to fly into US just to do photo shoots.

If it's part of your employment, then yes, you need a work visa.

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It's not like she intentionally sneak into this country illegally.

She simply worked illegally on a tourist visa.

Nobody is claiming she entered illegally.
But working (and getting paid for it) without the relevant visa is just as criminally wrong as being an illegal immigrant.
Some would argue that it's worse because it's also deliberate fraud.
And almost certainly didn't pay US tax on her earnings either; so that's tax evasion too!
So "simply worked illegally" is a very bad criminal offense.

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It's not the same thing.

No, it isn't - it's worse than just being an illegal or overstaying.
It's a deliberate fraud as well as being illegal.
It's not a minor thing.

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/26/2017 4:22:06 AM

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When I was working at a brand new hospital in Singapore the Matron had to gather all the female nurses together to explain to them how to use the toilet. Most of them were standing on the seat facing the wall and squatting to pee and never cleaning the stray liquid off of the seat or clean their shoe print. That is my experience of Singapore.

I highly doubt the nurses were Singaporean nurses though. You missed out on mentioning their nationality.
Were they Muslims? Or China?
Which hospital is this? What year was this?
Nursing is a career where it's 90% done by foreigners in Singapore.
And yes, we always educate our foreign workers on how to use the toilet properly. It's quite the norm. As many Asian countries still deal with hole on the ground instead of these sitting toilets.

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RE: Trump Deportation Plan and bringing safe toilets back - 2/26/2017 4:27:35 AM

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No, it isn't - it's worse than just being an illegal or overstaying.
It's a deliberate fraud as well as being illegal.
It's not a minor thing.

I disagree. In some countries, tourists are allowed limited work hours anyway. UK and Australia has them.

On top of that, as a model, they fly to all over the world to do photoshoots. When they get the job, they just turn up, model the photos and fly back to where they come from.

To say she intentionally did it would be exaggerating. I'd say whoever employed her to do the modeling job failed to follow proper US laws on photo shoots of foreign models.

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