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longwayhome -> RE: Theresa May warns voters of 'coalition of chaos' (4/30/2017 8:34:05 AM)
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
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ORIGINAL: blnymph
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
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And those immigrants that do all these low-end jobs tend to come from eastern Europe where wages are a pittance and standard of life is a lot poorer than here.
But at least they come here to work and they work bloody hard too!
Got no complaints about that.
Brexit won't stop them coming from Europe either.
They'll just have to get a work visa just like others from outside the EU currently have to do.
I don't see what all the hoo-har is all about.
"No complaints about that" but what have they done to deserve that, after having been encouraged by previous UK governments to come to the UK for work? And coming to the UK is exactly what Brexit will stop them from doing in the future. (Apart from making them leave the UK in significant numbers already and after)
You obvious have no clue what "hoo-har" amount of paperwork is required already, and what it means for those who live in the UK for decades, having mortgages pending, children at school, or are married to an UK citizen.
I am *not* "previous UK governments".
I didn't invite them.
I don't really want them here.
Brexit won't stop them coming here either so your argument is moot.
And yes, I have plenty hoo-har clue what's involved about permanent immigration.
It is fairly straight-forward.
Long-winded, yes, but straight-forward if you don't have a criminal record.
And it's not my fault if some immigrants buy a house and have children at school in a country where they have chosen to work for years but decide not to naturalise and now feel they have shaky roots.
Nobody has said that they will be thrown out either.
If the rules change and they have to get a visa to stay here and work - so be it.
They have to abide by the laws of the land like everyone else.
And I don't see why EU citizens should have any sort of priority or favourable terms ahead of those from outside the EU.
Let's have a level playing field and treat everyone the same no matter where they come from.
Your claim to represent the majority of people here in the UK is about as shaky as me saying making such a claim. It is the height of self
You seem to have a real problem with anyone you think is "other". All this "abiding by the law of the land" stuff is usually the thinnest excuse for racism, although I'm sure that's not the true in your case. EU citizens, Muslims or whatever group you chose to dislike so much do overwhelmingly obey the law of the land - well as much as "native" white people do.
When you talk so disparagingly about these people, you are talking about members of my family, work colleagues, friends and people I bump into on the street with whom I have a relationship of mutual respect. These people are truly part of my community. They are people I love, break bread with, pay UK taxes, work hard and contribute hugely to this country.
There is only one problem - some of them weren't born here and some of them do not have white skin, which is not problem to me and many others, but it is a problem to you.
Who is your brother or your sister? Who is your neighbour? If someone works, contributes and lives in peace, what greater right do you have to call the UK your country than they do? Some random accident of birth? I don't know what your contribution is to this country but it can't be any greater than some of the Muslims and EU citizens I know and work with.
The vast majority of Muslims in the UK were born here. They have as much right to be here as you. A small proportion of recent immigrants are Muslim, many refugees fleeing war torn countries. In the case of EU citizens, the vast majority came here to work and have fitted right into our society.
The Mayor of London is an upstanding, hard-working British politician who happens to be a Muslim. The Spanish, Portuguese, Filipino, French and Indian nurses working in our hospitals are providing us with a service. We are not doing them a favour.
These people are my brothers and sisters and I am connected to some of them by family ties, far stronger than anything I feel about you, given your dislike of people who are not like you.
Whose Britain is it anyway? Well if it's yours, it's certainly mine too. Getting our country back - for people like you who have a problem with millions of the people who live here?
I didn't vote for Brexit but I can accept that many people want a different relationship with the EU. And having accepted that I want the best deal for our country. What I don't have to accept is your brand of divisive intolerance. If you can fight to keep the "foreigners" out, I can equally "fight" for the contribution these people make to be recognised.
Everyone who voted for Brexit did not do so for your anti-foreigner, "Little Englander" reasons. For some it was the institutions, for some it was economic and, you are right, for some it was anti-foreigner and anti-immigration. Even if the majority of people who voted for Brexit did so for your brand of anti-foreigner/immigration politics, only just over half of those who voted in the referendum voted for Brexit.
By my reckoning that still puts you in the minority in the country as a whole - even if it is a very vocal minority.
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