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RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Sol... - 7/1/2017 10:37:41 AM   
Musicmystery


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Invent your own versions, go discuss it with yourself.

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RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Sol... - 7/1/2017 11:04:43 AM   
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None of that is what I said, FFS.

Invent your own versions, go discuss it with yourself.

Of course you never said anything about physics, because, apparently, science never occurred to you. But, you do sit here all day everyday arguing against people who understand the science. You consistently, in many threads argue lefty positions from a position of not understanding the science. Now that I've pointed out the science to you, in one case where an electric train will do exactly the opposite of what liberal fantasies want, I'm just saying your time would be better spent arguing with the lefty loons to come up with a reasonable plan to get us out of the horse drawn carriage stage. I've presented one idea. To wit: stop silly political spending on reducing the cost of solar panels that the Chinese are handling well and spend reasonable money on electrical power storage. Surely a person as smart as you can come up with other ideas. And surely you can admit that as long as lefty loons persist in all this solar panel nonsense the real necessary inventions we need will forever be placed on a back burner.

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RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Sol... - 7/1/2017 11:19:23 AM   
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Invent your own versions, go discuss it with yourself.

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RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Sol... - 7/1/2017 11:21:52 AM   
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Then just accept it as good advise.

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RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Sol... - 7/1/2017 11:24:20 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		Invent your own versions, go discuss it with yourself.

Pretend anything you like. Maybe add some excitement, like I threatened to knife you or something.

Then debate your fiction some more.

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RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Sol... - 7/1/2017 11:40:34 AM   
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Invent your own versions, go discuss it with yourself.

Pretend anything you like. Maybe add some excitement, like I threatened to knife you or something.

Then debate your fiction some more.

I know you don't like to be wrong and your nature requires you to have the last word. So, although it's obvious you really don't understand the topic, I'll let you have the last word.


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RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Sol... - 7/1/2017 11:47:58 AM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		Bullshit. I just refuse to be dragged into ridiculous discussion about things I never said, claimed, implied, no matter how relentlessly you try to bait it.

You love to argue. You have to find a point to argue about. Good for you.

But I'm not arguing your made up point.

Find an imaginary friend.

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RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Sol... - 7/2/2017 2:02:28 AM   
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AND we're right back to the today's challenges will never be solved with new approaches horseless carriage argument.



AND Nnanji's dogged refusal to recognise the implications of new storage technology for householders ... technology that enables householders to power their homes 24/7 using solar energy and also affords the possibility of selling any surplus back to the grid, which has been the main focus of my posts.

Undoubtedly this technology will get even more efficient and cheaper as time goes by and new innovations improve the technology. There are visions of decentralised electricity grids, with thousands of houses generating their own power, storing the surplus for night time use and selling the remainder to the grid.

It seems to me that this vision - which abolishes consumer reliance on large utility companies, turning the utilities into consumers of householder's power rather than the current vice versa - is troubling to some on the Right who cannot envisage a situation where consumers free themselves from the yoke of reliance on large profit making utilities.

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RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Sol... - 7/2/2017 5:24:43 AM   
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AND we're right back to the today's challenges will never be solved with new approaches horseless carriage argument.



AND Nnanji's dogged refusal to recognise the implications of new storage technology for householders ... technology that enables householders to power their homes 24/7 using solar energy and also affords the possibility of selling any surplus back to the grid, which has been the main focus of my posts.

Undoubtedly this technology will get even more efficient and cheaper as time goes by and new innovations improve the technology. There are visions of decentralised electricity grids, with thousands of houses generating their own power, storing the surplus for night time use and selling the remainder to the grid.

It seems to me that this vision - which abolishes consumer reliance on large utility companies, turning the utilities into consumers of householder's power rather than the current vice versa - is troubling to some on the Right who cannot envisage a situation where consumers free themselves from the yoke of reliance on large profit making utilities.

I'm just surprised that somebody who's using a "but physics!" argument has never heard of storage batteries, capacitors or flywheels.


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RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Sol... - 7/2/2017 7:02:07 AM   
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Really, have you links? Oh, please provide links to the world where batteries exist that will support the electrical grid.

Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

http://www.businessinsider.com/home-battery-rival-tesla-powerwall-2-2016-10/#the-powerwall-is-modular-so-you-can-link-up-to-nine-batteries-side-by-side-to-store-more-energy-tesla-estimates-it-will-cost-1000-to-install-the-powerwall-with-installations-beginning-january-2017-2

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RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Sol... - 7/2/2017 7:04:22 AM   
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AND we're right back to the today's challenges will never be solved with new approaches horseless carriage argument.



AND Nnanji's dogged refusal to recognise the implications of new storage technology for householders ... technology that enables householders to power their homes 24/7 using solar energy and also affords the possibility of selling any surplus back to the grid, which has been the main focus of my posts.

Undoubtedly this technology will get even more efficient and cheaper as time goes by and new innovations improve the technology. There are visions of decentralised electricity grids, with thousands of houses generating their own power, storing the surplus for night time use and selling the remainder to the grid.

It seems to me that this vision - which abolishes consumer reliance on large utility companies, turning the utilities into consumers of householder's power rather than the current vice versa - is troubling to some on the Right who cannot envisage a situation where consumers free themselves from the yoke of reliance on large profit making utilities.

Oh you sweet thing (ack) trying to sound like a big girl who knows what's she's talking about. Lol, the focus of your posts. The focus of your posts is to get attention.

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RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Sol... - 7/2/2017 7:05:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

AND we're right back to the today's challenges will never be solved with new approaches horseless carriage argument.



AND Nnanji's dogged refusal to recognise the implications of new storage technology for householders ... technology that enables householders to power their homes 24/7 using solar energy and also affords the possibility of selling any surplus back to the grid, which has been the main focus of my posts.

Undoubtedly this technology will get even more efficient and cheaper as time goes by and new innovations improve the technology. There are visions of decentralised electricity grids, with thousands of houses generating their own power, storing the surplus for night time use and selling the remainder to the grid.

It seems to me that this vision - which abolishes consumer reliance on large utility companies, turning the utilities into consumers of householder's power rather than the current vice versa - is troubling to some on the Right who cannot envisage a situation where consumers free themselves from the yoke of reliance on large profit making utilities.

I'm just surprised that somebody who's using a "but physics!" argument has never heard of storage batteries, capacitors or flywheels.


Really, explain to me how those power a train or the city of Los Angeles please?

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RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Sol... - 7/2/2017 7:18:50 AM   
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Lol, you really really tried to be (well sound like) a big girl didn't you? It's just so hard, I know.

This would seem to confirm that you are a post op trannie....otherwise how would you know what it is like to be a big girl.

Well, car batteries are one thing. Let's see how they work for the City of Los Angeles when they want air conditioning at night.

They do not use "car batteries dumbass.

Hey, if that works I'm in. Tweak, maybe you don't know but I've lived off grid, using solar, for a dozen years.

If that were true why is it that you think "car batteries" are what are used in a solar electric system.


You get me something to replace my 3,000 pounds of lead acid batteries at a comparable price and that market will work for me. But it doesn't exist now.

Three thousand pounds of lead acid batteries is about 25kw. The battery in a fiat 500e is about 25kw and weighs 600 pounds.
You can find an fiat 500e on craigs list or ebay for about $6,000. There you have a battery that you can drive to the store.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


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RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Sol... - 7/2/2017 7:21:17 AM   
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While that's nice, there are 253 million cars on the road in this country alone and all of the batteries will have to be
charged with something.

Solar power


How is this stand alone renewable energy? Energy that will run all of the air conditioners at night in Los Angeles, let alone the rest of the world?


Elon musk calls it a power wall and target stores are currently installing them in all of their stores..

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RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Sol... - 7/2/2017 7:25:42 AM   
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Let's see...Tesla S Model==>$68,000. Honda Civic==>$18,000

I guess, Tweak, you're not very good at being a leftie loon either. Just make all of those poor peasants walk to work!


Fiat 500e <$50 @ month

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1107458_ca-dealer-offers-fiat-500e-electric-car-at-49-a-month-0-down-in-black-friday-weekend-deal

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RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Sol... - 7/2/2017 7:29:12 AM   
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Actually no. I believe I said, in post 23, that switching to a renewable energy platform would be a good thing and worth
subsidizing. Reading comprehension can be your friend.

I also said subsidizing solar panels is silly and purely political. Now, if you want to take all of that silly political money
and spend it on something like maintaining infrastructure AND electrical storage research, I'm down for that.


Why do you think that the subsidies are not spent or that? Here in California the aqmd will subsidize a business to put in charge points for electric cars

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RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Sol... - 7/2/2017 7:52:12 AM   
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With sarcasm turned off let me point out one current fact of physics. The very best engines we can build are about 83
to 86 percent efficient.


Tell us which commercially produced automobile or truck on the road in the world today gets more than 50% efficiency.



No matter what, when you make energy to do something you lose 14 to 17 percent of the energy to environmental
factors.

So you make a train run on fossil fuel, it runs at...say...85% efficiency.



Not possible so why postulate it dumbass?

You burn that same fossil fuel to generate electricity you get that same 85% efficiency.



"The global average efficiencies of electricity production are 34% for coal, 40% for natural gas and 37% for oil.
For all fossil fuels, the global average efficiency is 36%. Wide variations are seen in efficiencies amongst countries,
with OECD countries typically having the highest efficiencies. The level of efficiency has been slowly improving in
recent years in most countries"

https://www.iea.org/publications/freepublications/publication/En_Efficiency_Indicators.pdf


But, then, when you use that electricity to run the train you lose another 15% in inefficiency.


Transmission losses are closer to 50% dumbass

So by running the train
with electricity you have .85 x .85 = 72% efficient use of the fossil fuel as opposed to 85% efficiency using the fossil
fuel directly.

Fossil fuel is not currently used to directly power trains dumbass. They are diesel electric in which a diesel engine spins a generator which drives an electric motor which drives the train.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

It's a waste of energy and creates more fossil fuel demand.


You have been shown to be full of shit.


The same goes for charging car batteries in electric cars.

No it does not dumbass. Electric motors are more efficient than i.c. motors


All you do is place a large demand on the coal fired power plant. Oh, and I might point out, one of the very large
environmental factor mentioned above is waste heat. Waste heat is not something global warming fruitcakes want to
be added to the atmosphere.

Perhaps, mr. fake scientist, you could calculate for us the difference in heat generated in a power plant to charge an
electric car vs. the amount of heat generated by the Honda civic in your previous example per mile?

I will admit that my math is simplistic and only represents what a rigorous calculation would find.

Actually it represents your cumulative ignorance.

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RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Sol... - 7/2/2017 7:54:49 AM   
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I'm pointing out physics.

No you have made up "physics" to suit your beliefs. You have failed to cite any valid source for the ignorant bullshit
you have posted.




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RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Sol... - 7/2/2017 8:43:13 AM   
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AND we're right back to the today's challenges will never be solved with new approaches horseless carriage argument.



AND Nnanji's dogged refusal to recognise the implications of new storage technology for householders ... technology that enables householders to power their homes 24/7 using solar energy and also affords the possibility of selling any surplus back to the grid, which has been the main focus of my posts.

Undoubtedly this technology will get even more efficient and cheaper as time goes by and new innovations improve the technology. There are visions of decentralised electricity grids, with thousands of houses generating their own power, storing the surplus for night time use and selling the remainder to the grid.

It seems to me that this vision - which abolishes consumer reliance on large utility companies, turning the utilities into consumers of householder's power rather than the current vice versa - is troubling to some on the Right who cannot envisage a situation where consumers free themselves from the yoke of reliance on large profit making utilities.

I'm just surprised that somebody who's using a "but physics!" argument has never heard of storage batteries, capacitors or flywheels.


Really, explain to me how those power a train or the city of Los Angeles please?

You've not heard of overhead lines either, then?

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RE: World's Biggest Coal Company Closes 37 Mines as Sol... - 7/3/2017 8:58:19 AM   
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