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Nnanji -> The Swedish socialist utopia (8/16/2017 6:37:10 PM)

https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-swedes-give-up-for-free-money-1502752745?mod=djemMER




Marini -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/16/2017 6:42:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-swedes-give-up-for-free-money-1502752745?mod=djemMER


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WickedsDesire -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/16/2017 6:50:20 PM)

You are a man of no reality

you Marini are a women of no reality

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Marini -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/16/2017 6:53:15 PM)

you are a man on here drunk/and or high, talking trash on a regular basis, with no reality.




WickedsDesire -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/16/2017 7:06:55 PM)

You dare lie about me? I, a verified profile, unlike your cacophony of muttery!
With a further reality 07757 901 443 or for those not in the UK + 44 7757 901 443
Skype is also available...simply ask
These are MY details to give

And the rest of you who are exactly?

It would be very unwise for anyone other than reality to fuk about with my number - are we clear all?




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/17/2017 1:35:35 AM)

Sweden is not even slightly socialist you ignorant twit.




BoscoX -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/17/2017 1:42:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Sweden is not even slightly socialist you ignorant twit.


The felchgoblin and probably every other leftist on here swears to Marx that Venezuela isn't socialism, only Sweden etc is socialism

Kinda looking like, according to you leftard dimwits socialism has never been tried




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/17/2017 2:29:24 AM)

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Kinda looking like, according to you leftard dimwits socialism has never been tried

Not at all, it has been tried many times, and almost invariably works. The problem is ignorant Yanks like you have no clue what the word means.




mnottertail -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/17/2017 4:30:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Sweden is not even slightly socialist you ignorant twit.


The felchgoblin and probably every other leftist on here swears to Marx that Venezuela isn't socialism, only Sweden etc is socialism

Kinda looking like, according to you leftard dimwits socialism has never been tried

Felchgobbler Gobbles, you have the same opportunity as anyone else in your circlefelch to demonstrate that Venezuela is socialist. so far there has been only pantshitting, whining, teeth gnashing and felchgobbling and that does not demonstrate socialism.

Here is where you could shine if you werent felchgobbling putinjizz and compound gimping. Of all the countries that have national single payer healthcare, and you nutsuckers toiletlicking about how terrible it is, how many countries that have ever had it, repealed it or even attempted to repeal it 60+ times in order to have nutsuckerism?

Yeah. No.

You aint none of you capable of finding your own ass with two hands and a flashlight, compound gimp.




bounty44 -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/17/2017 5:08:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Sweden is not even slightly socialist you ignorant twit.


The felchgoblin and probably every other leftist on here swears to Marx that Venezuela isn't socialism, only Sweden etc is socialism

Kinda looking like, according to you leftard dimwits socialism has never been tried


that's her response practically every time someone mentions a particular country being socialist or even just socialism in general. if it doesn't fit her narrow but comprehensive textbook definition of the terms, its not applicable, and the people using them are stupid.

being able using terms roughly or broadly, or with some polemic nuance are lost in the fidelity to a definition that, in a complex world, cannot really exist---as well as taking a back seat to seeing an opportunity to impugn those with whom she disagrees.

heres the deal comrades---in the continuum between individualist and collectivist, its more to the latter than many on the former desire.





Greta75 -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/17/2017 5:21:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-swedes-give-up-for-free-money-1502752745?mod=djemMER


Can you copy and paste the entire article here as it needs me to subscribe to read it.




mnottertail -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/17/2017 5:27:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Sweden is not even slightly socialist you ignorant twit.


The felchgoblin and probably every other leftist on here swears to Marx that Venezuela isn't socialism, only Sweden etc is socialism

Kinda looking like, according to you leftard dimwits socialism has never been tried


that's her response practically every time someone mentions a particular country being socialist or even just socialism in general. if it doesn't fit her narrow but comprehensive textbook definition of the terms, its not applicable, and the people using them are stupid.

being able using terms roughly or broadly, or with some polemic nuance are lost in the fidelity to a definition that, in a complex world, cannot really exist---as well as taking a back seat to seeing an opportunity to impugn those with whom she disagrees.

heres the deal comrades---in the continuum between individualist and collectivist, its more to the latter than many on the former desire.



doesnt appear to be the case in reality. You are welcome to list the countries of the world that are individualist and those that are collectivist and demonstrate the truth of your felchgobble.

You might start with the opening line:

We, The People, of the United States of America....

and felchgobble your putinjizz from there.





thompsonx -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/17/2017 5:46:38 AM)

ORIGINAL: bounty44

heres the deal comrades---in the continuum between individualist and collectivist, its more to the latter than many on the former desire.


If you are not a fan of the (united) states of amerika and (we) the people why are you here?




Nnanji -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/17/2017 5:52:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji

https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-swedes-give-up-for-free-money-1502752745?mod=djemMER


Can you copy and paste the entire article here as it needs me to subscribe to read it.

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Cyclists in Solvesborg, Sweden, 2015.
Cyclists in Solvesborg, Sweden, 2015. PHOTO: GETTY IMAGES
By Zach Maher
Aug. 14, 2017 7:19 p.m. ET
436 COMMENTS
I moved to Sweden for love, not money, but I was happy to learn that merely living in this social democracy also entitled me to paid parental-leave benefits. Who could object to free money, handed out by the government to all Swedish parents? Then I became a father.

Two hundred years ago, Sweden was a nation of smallholding farm families, many of whom were poor enough to prefer emigrating to North Dakota or Minnesota. Today, workers in Sweden are offered a welfare smörgåsbord of free health care, subsidized housing, paid leave, unemployment benefits, job training and pensions. This system of interlaced welfare programs is the government’s attempt to realize a political and social ideal that has seemingly universal acceptance among Swedes, known as trygghet.

Although trygghet is usually defined as security or safety, neither of these translations carries the implications about the future that trygghet projects. To be trygg is to feel so comfortable and certain in a secure, predictable environment that you can relax, express yourself and grow. Trygghet is what Swedish parents are expected to give their children, and ensuring that they do so is the function of the most prized component of the Swedish social-welfare state, the parental benefits system.

For one year after the birth of our son, the government’s social-insurance agency will pay 80% of the salary my Swedish wife earned as a lawyer working in public service. I was surprised to learn that I, too, could receive parental benefits, for up to six months, at the generous minimum level. Only after a recent family crisis did I understand why.

Six months ago, my 2-year-old niece broke her leg. The physician who treated the girl told my brother-in-law that his daughter would be given a full-body CT scan. The doctor insisted that the procedure was mandatory, but not for any medical reason. Rather, the Swedish social-services administration requires such scans to look for evidence of child abuse. While the doctor did note that the broken leg was the result of an accident, he told my brother-in-law the matter was “out of my hands.”

When the girl’s parents refused to subject her to this unnecessary procedure, the hidden machinery of the Swedish welfare state sprang into motion. My brother-in-law and his wife were required to attend multiple interviews with social workers and to submit friends and neighbors in their small town for questioning. Social workers even inspected their home. Suddenly, decisions as benign as what milk to buy seemed potential evidence of parental deficiency. My in-laws feared their two children might be taken from them.

In Sweden, the state reserves for itself ultimate responsibility for children’s well-being. As a parent my job is to give my kids the trygghet necessary to become productive, tax-paying members of Swedish society. This is why I receive financial support and medical benefits. The state is paying me to be a parent. I am, in effect, an employee—and if I do a poor job, my responsibility as a parent might be taken away from me.

Social services never found grounds to continue their investigation of my brother-in-law’s family beyond the preliminary steps. Nevertheless, they had been made to feel belittlement, confusion and embarrassment, simply because they disagreed with the authorities. These reflexive feelings of guilt and shame are another, far subtler and more insidious mechanism for enforcing conformity.


The Swedish word for this cultural phenomenon, lagom, has recently appeared in the international press, mistranslated as moderation or self-restraint. Lagom is actually a uniquely Swedish conception of common sense, according to which the best way of acting is always inextricable from how you expect your neighbors to act. Lagom is what everyone thinks everyone else thinks—whether about milk, welfare or what constitutes good parenting.

The mere fact of being investigated by a social-services agency placed my brother-in-law’s family outside lagom. No one needed to accuse them of anything, and that was the point. No reasonable person should ever do anything suspected of being unreasonable.

Some parents insist, as my wife and I do, on having their own ideas about raising children. In our opinion, anesthetizing a 2-year-old girl and subjecting her to radiation for an unnecessary medical procedure is not lagom. Does this mean we can’t accept parental support from the state? Does this mean we can’t live in Sweden?

Although the welfare state is often debated in economic terms, we have yet to put a price on self-determination or freedom of conscience. What I once thought was free money may cost more than I am prepared to pay.

Mr. Maher is a freelance writer and former staff member of the New York Review of Books.




Nnanji -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/17/2017 5:54:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Sweden is not even slightly socialist you ignorant twit.

Oh look at the sweetness and light.




Nnanji -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/17/2017 6:03:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Sweden is not even slightly socialist you ignorant twit.

https://socialistworker.org/2015/11/24/you-mean-socialism-like-in-sweden




thompsonx -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/17/2017 6:07:45 AM)


ORIGINAL: Nnanji


What is your issue here?
If this clown does not like living in sweeden he is not a prisoner he can leave any time he chooses.
In amerika if you bring your kid to the doctor with a broken limb the same procedure {not the ct scan) by the
authorities re: child endangerment occure. So I fail to see what point you are trying to make.




Greta75 -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/17/2017 6:13:26 AM)

Thank you!




mnottertail -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/17/2017 9:04:21 AM)

So, the fact that as a matter of course children that are brought in for broken bones are checked to insure it isnt a case of child beating is some form of anti-nutsuckerism, (because the parents claim it is not needed) then why do nutsuckers make laws that say if you refuse a breath test you are guilty (hey, its not needed, take the guys word for it, he hasnt been drinking....)

Retards, the lot of them.

BTW it happens here exactly the same way in this land governed by nutsuckers. In fact, they made those laws.




PeonForHer -> RE: The Swedish socialist utopia (8/17/2017 3:46:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Sweden is not even slightly socialist you ignorant twit.

https://socialistworker.org/2015/11/24/you-mean-socialism-like-in-sweden


Why did you cite that website? It doesn't support your case, from what I can see. It asks a question and answers it broadly in the negative.

I'd advise: watch out for the words 'socialist' and 'worker' combined. As a general rule you'll be looking at a radical, quite often revolutionary, socialist grouping. These tend to disparage anything they see as lukewarm socialism as 'not socialism at all'. In this case, they've cast Sweden as 'social democratic'. Opinion is divided as to whether 'social democracy' can be called 'socialist'. It's really about socialism that's come to an accommodation with capitalism and basically accepts it - though confines and controls it. (Versus 'revolutionary socialism' and 'democratic socialism'.) All that notwithstanding: the article has it that Sweden followed the global neoliberal hegemony in later years. Its social democracy has started to crumble.

Many moons ago I asked on this forum, 'What does the term "social democracy" mean to you?'. None of the Americans here had even heard of it. I was left with the distinct feeling that this was mainly a European term and tradition. I asked the question because I'd frequently seen the phrase 'socialism/communism' dropped, I felt lazily, into posts in various recent threads. That really had me thinking 'What the holy fuck?'. To me it was about equivalent to reading the phrase 'conservatism/fascism' by lefties - though I don't think I've ever seen a lefty write that on this forum.




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