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California historic wildfires - 10/20/2017 8:41:07 PM   
Marini


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Status: offline 		Surprised no one started a thread on the California fires.
These fires have been historic and are one of the deadliest, if not the deadliest in the history of California.

The amount of devastation is inconceivable.
42 people killed so fire, thousands and thousands of homes and businesses destroyed.

I applaud the firefighters that have been fighting these deadly fires for weeks.

CNN- California fires update

The environmental effects to the area will be long lasting.
The long term and short term effects to the air quality and many people's health, are rarely talked about.

The Verge- Smoke from CA fires will affect people beyond the flames

Historic floods in Texas and Florida, Puerto Rico, now California now historic fires.
Wow, so much has happened to this country in the past 3 months.
I can't imagine wanting to live in most of these area's, I rather admire those that decide to rebuild and start over.


< Message edited by Marini -- 10/20/2017 8:44:24 PM >

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RE: California historic wildfires - 10/21/2017 8:58:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini
Surprised no one started a thread on the California fires.
These fires have been historic and are one of the deadliest, if not the deadliest in the history of California.


They might not fall under the "Politics" or "Religion" categories.


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RE: California historic wildfires - 10/21/2017 9:29:26 AM   
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I traveled many miles through remote national forests this fall while hunting elk, and the wildfire devastation goes on and on and on... The forest service admits that it is a legacy of the federal government's suppressing the small fires that forests need to remain healthy for many generations. Underbrush builds up to the point that catastrophic and historic wildfires that are unstoppable become inevitable. The resulting unnatural fires burn so hot that they completely sterilize the forests, after which recovery is painfully slow

"We are from the government, and we are here to help."

Part of the problem in California right now is also that the wet spring they had this year allowed underbrush to grow as much as it did



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RE: California historic wildfires - 10/21/2017 9:59:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini
Surprised no one started a thread on the California fires.
These fires have been historic and are one of the deadliest, if not the deadliest in the history of California.


They might not fall under the "Politics" or "Religion" categories.




It certainly DOES fall under the politics and religion categories.
These fires are biblical in nature, and the damage that is being caused, will cost untold dollars for years and years,
anything involving state and federal support is political.

Not to mention, the link between the power lines and these fires.

So, yeah it "fits" here.

< Message edited by Marini -- 10/21/2017 10:28:50 AM >

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RE: California historic wildfires - 10/21/2017 10:18:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


I traveled many miles through remote national forests this fall while hunting elk, and the wildfire devastation goes on and on and on... The forest service admits that it is a legacy of the federal government's suppressing the small fires that forests need to remain healthy for many generations. Underbrush builds up to the point that catastrophic and historic wildfires that are unstoppable become inevitable. The resulting unnatural fires burn so hot that they completely sterilize the forests, after which recovery is painfully slow

"We are from the government, and we are here to help."

Part of the problem in California right now is also that the wet spring they had this year allowed underbrush to grow as much as it did



This is one of the few posts, we agree on.
The amount of devastation that has happened to our beautiful country is heart breaking.
It is heartbreaking and painful, and I agree many of these fires seem unnatural.

NYT- Why the California fires have been so destructive

LA Times- Link between California fires and power lines and electrical equipment

I have read from more than one source, about the link between these fires and the power lines, I certainly want to learn a lot more about that connection.

< Message edited by Marini -- 10/21/2017 10:22:48 AM >

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RE: California historic wildfires - 10/21/2017 10:39:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini




It certainly DOES fall under the politics and religion categories.
These fires are biblical in nature, and the damage that is being caused, will cost untold dollars for years and years,
anything involving state and federal support is political.

So, yeah it "fits" here.


These fires are biblical in nature because of decades of US forestry service mismanagement and gross misunderstanding of how a forest ecosystem is supposed to work with the goal of who know what.

So, lets begin with some basics, coniferous trees produce seed pods often referred to as cones.

These cones require heat to open and release the seeds, a lot of heat, say, by a brush fire.

This is natures way of making sure the seeds fall on places where they can thrive and there will be no thick underbrush that will smother them.

Now, this means that the occasional brush fire is a good thing, thins the underbrush, opens areas so the newly released seeds can take root and grow.

Now the forestry service has the policy of putting out every fire before it can really spread, which means the under brush gets thicker, the fallen needles build up which makes for a lot of readily burnable stuff laying around the forest floor.

After a few years, a fire gets started that should actually, if nature were allowed to work the way it is supposed to, burn fast, spread a bit then die on its own accord, but because these fires are always put out, something else happens.\

In a short amount of time, all that nice fuel gets dried out by the heat, ignites and now you have a fire that is going to spread like crazy, which in turn hears up more of the stuff laying around under the trees, which then gets dry and burns, spreading the fire even more.

And why? Because 90 years ago, some dick head in DC decided that fires burn trees, without stopping to think that those giant 1000 year old red woods probably survived a fire or two, and healthy pine trees (healthy old trees of any kind for that matter) survive forest fires while unhealthy trees burn, thus making room for new trees.

So, now you have biblical sized fires burning homes, towns, people and scream the question 'why?' and wonder why people that actually deal with nature on a pretty much daily basis that have common sense ask in return, "you expected something different?'

So after the hundreds of millions spent on fighting the fires, the inevitable deaths of people fighting the fires or caught by the fires, the department of interior will go to congress and ask for appropriations to study how to prevent this in the future, congress will allocate a few billion dollars to be paid to some university in the stricken region for a bunch of tree geeks to spend five days writing down what they already know and dont need a study to figure out, and they will send it back to the department of the interior, who will stick it in a file because it is not the answer they want, followed by another trip to congress with their hand out for 'further study"

So, after 20 years, and a whole new generation of Department of Forestry personnel with lots of book learning and zero practical knowledge gets faced with more fires of biblical proportions will start the wheel of stupidity all over again.


And why? Because we have a government run bureaucracy that cant decide if toilet paper should be in a bath room without a committee and a few billion dollars spent to research the problem.

Christ, it is a wonder these people have sex producing children considering how found they seem to be on committee determined decisions after a research study.

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RE: California historic wildfires - 10/21/2017 12:40:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini
Surprised no one started a thread on the California fires.
These fires have been historic and are one of the deadliest, if not the deadliest in the history of California.

They might not fall under the "Politics" or "Religion" categories.

It certainly DOES fall under the politics and religion categories.
These fires are biblical in nature, and the damage that is being caused, will cost untold dollars for years and years,


Biblical in nature?!? LMMFAO!

quote:

anything involving state and federal support is political.


Bullshit. Is it really political discussion to bring up flooding that happens regularly in Findlay, Ohio after heavy rains? Uh, no. But, but, but, it involves State support. Yup. Not political discussion material.

quote:

Not to mention, the link between the power lines and these fires.
So, yeah it "fits" here.


Which of your two links mentioned the power lines?







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RE: California historic wildfires - 10/21/2017 1:33:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		These fires have nothing to do with politics and everything to do with rampant stupidity in an agency mired in Bureaucratic red tape and 90 years of being run by idiots who dont know shit about who a forest ecosystem works at any level, let alone how to prevent fucking fires that end up killing what? 80 people so far?

Its the same bullshit idea that is used with every acre of public wildlands in the US.

Any kind of fire is bad.

So, the underbrush builds up, the bio waste on the ground builds up past the point where natural decomposition can turn it into fertile soil, and you end up with a few thousand, or hundred thousand or million acres of fuel waiting for a goddamn spark.

At present, the forests of the western United States are so grossly over grown that it is entirely possible for a fire to spread pretty much unchecked from the Canadian border to Mexico.

Now there are two ways to fix this problem, controlled burns every few years (which, given the present situation is like giving an arsonist an unlimited supply of gasoline and matches and turning him loose in a major city) or take all the prisoners currently held in every prison, give em rakes and bags and have them clean up the stuff on the forest floor and cut out 60% of the undergrowth.

I mean, what the hell is wrong with chain gang work details?

But until the management of federal and state forest wild lands changes to incorporate the natural burn cycle that keeps the system healthy, fires like this, and the grass fires a few years ago that burned 50% of a small town here in Texas are going to keep happening.

Oh, this also means that some trees will have to be harvested, which is going to piss off the liberal tree hugging granola eating non meat eaters, so, the solution to that is to put them on the fire line to fight the out of control fires their idea of forest management created and give them polyester jump suits.

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RE: California historic wildfires - 10/21/2017 2:02:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini
Surprised no one started a thread on the California fires.
These fires have been historic and are one of the deadliest, if not the deadliest in the history of California.

They might not fall under the "Politics" or "Religion" categories.

It certainly DOES fall under the politics and religion categories.
These fires are biblical in nature, and the damage that is being caused, will cost untold dollars for years and years,


Biblical in nature?!? LMMFAO!

quote:

anything involving state and federal support is political.


Bullshit. Is it really political discussion to bring up flooding that happens regularly in Findlay, Ohio after heavy rains? Uh, no. But, but, but, it involves State support. Yup. Not political discussion material.

quote:

Not to mention, the link between the power lines and these fires.
So, yeah it "fits" here.


Which of your two links mentioned the power lines?



The links are in another post below that post.
Also, I am glad I don't need your "permission" on topics for threads on here.


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RE: California historic wildfires - 10/21/2017 8:15:48 PM   
Marini


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

These fires have nothing to do with politics and everything to do with rampant stupidity in an agency mired in Bureaucratic red tape and 90 years of being run by idiots who dont know shit about who a forest ecosystem works at any level, let alone how to prevent fucking fires that end up killing what? 80 people so far?

Its the same bullshit idea that is used with every acre of public wildlands in the US.

Any kind of fire is bad.

So, the underbrush builds up, the bio waste on the ground builds up past the point where natural decomposition can turn it into fertile soil, and you end up with a few thousand, or hundred thousand or million acres of fuel waiting for a goddamn spark.

At present, the forests of the western United States are so grossly over grown that it is entirely possible for a fire to spread pretty much unchecked from the Canadian border to Mexico.

Now there are two ways to fix this problem, controlled burns every few years (which, given the present situation is like giving an arsonist an unlimited supply of gasoline and matches and turning him loose in a major city) or take all the prisoners currently held in every prison, give em rakes and bags and have them clean up the stuff on the forest floor and cut out 60% of the undergrowth.

I mean, what the hell is wrong with chain gang work details?

But until the management of federal and state forest wild lands changes to incorporate the natural burn cycle that keeps the system healthy, fires like this, and the grass fires a few years ago that burned 50% of a small town here in Texas are going to keep happening.

Oh, this also means that some trees will have to be harvested, which is going to piss off the liberal tree hugging granola eating non meat eaters, so, the solution to that is to put them on the fire line to fight the out of control fires their idea of forest management created and give them polyester jump suits.


Thanks for contributing to this topic.
:)

If extreme overgrowth contributed to the growth and spread of these fires, then we are also dealing with negligence.
There are plenty of able bodied men and women seeking employment that would enjoy cutting down the overgrowth.
They could be provided with trailers to live in and travel the country, cutting down the overgrowth.

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RE: California historic wildfires - 10/21/2017 8:49:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

So, after 20 years, and a whole new generation of Department of Forestry personnel with lots of book learning and zero practical knowledge gets faced with more fires of biblical proportions will start the wheel of stupidity all over again.


Just a bit of a point of order. Wildfires in California are not so much an issue of mismanagement of forestry lands but the the fact that Southern California is a bloody desert and a ridiculously large urban area has grown up in an area totally unable to support a population like that. Wildfires in desert grassland full of cheat grass, sage, and mesquite are extremely fast and hot burning. Too many people trying to pack into an area where people were not designed to live creates so many opportunities for disastrous consequences.

One of my stock arguments with those that claim man made climate change is a myth is to show pictures of the desert areas near Lodi then refer them to Sam Clemens Angel Camp stories... "and a squirrel could go from Angel's Camp to San Francisco Bay without ever having to touch the ground." Just try and find a tree there today. <grin>

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RE: California historic wildfires - 10/21/2017 9:16:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MercTech


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

So, after 20 years, and a whole new generation of Department of Forestry personnel with lots of book learning and zero practical knowledge gets faced with more fires of biblical proportions will start the wheel of stupidity all over again.


Just a bit of a point of order. Wildfires in California are not so much an issue of mismanagement of forestry lands but the the fact that Southern California is a bloody desert and a ridiculously large urban area has grown up in an area totally unable to support a population like that. Wildfires in desert grassland full of cheat grass, sage, and mesquite are extremely fast and hot burning. Too many people trying to pack into an area where people were not designed to live creates so many opportunities for disastrous consequences.

One of my stock arguments with those that claim man made climate change is a myth is to show pictures of the desert areas near Lodi then refer them to Sam Clemens Angel Camp stories... "and a squirrel could go from Angel's Camp to San Francisco Bay without ever having to touch the ground." Just try and find a tree there today. <grin>


What is the solution?
With that same train of thought, maybe we don't know what to do?
There are many area's of California, I just would not want to build or live in these days.

LA Times-- The fires are going to get worse

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RE: California historic wildfires - 10/22/2017 3:45:26 AM   
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RE: California historic wildfires - 10/22/2017 5:47:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
These fires have nothing to do with politics and everything to do with rampant stupidity in an agency mired in Bureaucratic red tape and 90 years of being run by idiots who dont know shit about who a forest ecosystem works at any level, let alone how to prevent fucking fires that end up killing what? 80 people so far?
Its the same bullshit idea that is used with every acre of public wildlands in the US.
Any kind of fire is bad.
So, the underbrush builds up, the bio waste on the ground builds up past the point where natural decomposition can turn it into fertile soil, and you end up with a few thousand, or hundred thousand or million acres of fuel waiting for a goddamn spark.
At present, the forests of the western United States are so grossly over grown that it is entirely possible for a fire to spread pretty much unchecked from the Canadian border to Mexico.
Now there are two ways to fix this problem, controlled burns every few years (which, given the present situation is like giving an arsonist an unlimited supply of gasoline and matches and turning him loose in a major city) or take all the prisoners currently held in every prison, give em rakes and bags and have them clean up the stuff on the forest floor and cut out 60% of the undergrowth.
I mean, what the hell is wrong with chain gang work details?
But until the management of federal and state forest wild lands changes to incorporate the natural burn cycle that keeps the system healthy, fires like this, and the grass fires a few years ago that burned 50% of a small town here in Texas are going to keep happening.
Oh, this also means that some trees will have to be harvested, which is going to piss off the liberal tree hugging granola eating non meat eaters, so, the solution to that is to put them on the fire line to fight the out of control fires their idea of forest management created and give them polyester jump suits.


I disagree with none of this.


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RE: California historic wildfires - 10/22/2017 5:51:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini
The links are in another post below that post.
Also, I am glad I don't need your "permission" on topics for threads on here.


You were surprised it hadn't been brought up. I pointed out it might not be a topic under politics or religion.

You get stupid claiming the fires are "Biblical" in nature. Then you go further and claim that anything that entails state or federal support is politics.

You don't need anyone's permission, but when you make stupid comments, expect them to be pointed out.

Shall we discuss Penn State's win over the University of Michigan yesterday in college football action? I'm sure there was plenty of State and Federal support involved.


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RE: California historic wildfires - 10/22/2017 8:13:17 PM   
Marini


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Status: offline 		Here is a fascinating map that shows the initial path of the most devastating wildifires in CA history.

NYT- Path of destructive CA fires

The amount of devastation is mind blowing.

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RE: California historic wildfires - 10/22/2017 8:24:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

These fires have nothing to do with politics and everything to do with rampant stupidity in an agency mired in Bureaucratic red tape and 90 years of being run by idiots who dont know shit about who a forest ecosystem works at any level, let alone how to prevent fucking fires that end up killing what? 80 people so far?

Its the same bullshit idea that is used with every acre of public wildlands in the US.

Any kind of fire is bad.

So, the underbrush builds up, the bio waste on the ground builds up past the point where natural decomposition can turn it into fertile soil, and you end up with a few thousand, or hundred thousand or million acres of fuel waiting for a goddamn spark.

At present, the forests of the western United States are so grossly over grown that it is entirely possible for a fire to spread pretty much unchecked from the Canadian border to Mexico.

Now there are two ways to fix this problem, controlled burns every few years (which, given the present situation is like giving an arsonist an unlimited supply of gasoline and matches and turning him loose in a major city) or take all the prisoners currently held in every prison, give em rakes and bags and have them clean up the stuff on the forest floor and cut out 60% of the undergrowth.

I mean, what the hell is wrong with chain gang work details?

But until the management of federal and state forest wild lands changes to incorporate the natural burn cycle that keeps the system healthy, fires like this, and the grass fires a few years ago that burned 50% of a small town here in Texas are going to keep happening.

Oh, this also means that some trees will have to be harvested, which is going to piss off the liberal tree hugging granola eating non meat eaters, so, the solution to that is to put them on the fire line to fight the out of control fires their idea of forest management created and give them polyester jump suits.

Or, if you don't want chain gangs, allow logging.

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RE: California historic wildfires - 10/22/2017 9:36:32 PM   
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Apparently there's a program that lets nonviolent inmates sign up to be in a program that has them fighting these fires, while earning double 'time for good behavior' with each day.

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RE: California historic wildfires - 10/22/2017 9:50:51 PM   
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Pretty sure that's what "harvesting" means?

Apparently there's a program that lets nonviolent inmates sign up to be in a program that has them fighting these fires, while earning double 'time for good behavior' with each day.

Actually yes, I live in the area being discussed. The California Department of Forestry uses prisoners here quite a bit in the forest. But, generally only to keep trails and roads clear. They don't log, they clean up deadfalls and clear brush from drainage ditches. When logger come in...or came in before anti-logging became a political thing...areas that were logged were cleaned up with just enough slash left to prevent erosion and people racing around on ATVs.

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RE: California historic wildfires - 10/22/2017 10:01:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MercTech


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

So, after 20 years, and a whole new generation of Department of Forestry personnel with lots of book learning and zero practical knowledge gets faced with more fires of biblical proportions will start the wheel of stupidity all over again.


Just a bit of a point of order. Wildfires in California are not so much an issue of mismanagement of forestry lands but the the fact that Southern California is a bloody desert and a ridiculously large urban area has grown up in an area totally unable to support a population like that. Wildfires in desert grassland full of cheat grass, sage, and mesquite are extremely fast and hot burning. Too many people trying to pack into an area where people were not designed to live creates so many opportunities for disastrous consequences.

One of my stock arguments with those that claim man made climate change is a myth is to show pictures of the desert areas near Lodi then refer them to Sam Clemens Angel Camp stories... "and a squirrel could go from Angel's Camp to San Francisco Bay without ever having to touch the ground." Just try and find a tree there today. <grin>

Go to the Modesto Irrigation District website and read the history of water here. There were trees along the rivers only. Everything else was considered desert until the irrigation districts came and built. Yes, a lot of trees were cut down along the rivers but there were few trees more than a hundred yard from the rivers. A case in point, near Lodi, is Casewell park that has been kept as it always was. I think, I'd have to look to be sure, it's along the Mokelumine River. The trees form a band around the river about fifty yards wide on each side of the river. It wasn't forest in the San Joaquin Valley by any means. Yes, a squirrel could follow the river from Angles Camp to San Francisco and stay in the trees back then. But it wasn't a forest once you moved a hundred yards or so from the river.

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