DesideriScuri
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How would anyone know that a woman who just found out she was pregnant and goes out for a drink is pregnant? Unless she's spouting off about it, wouldn't there be some HIPAA laws broken?
Your first question is a point well-taken, but let's not make it quite so literal? Maybe she's told her parents and her partner or some friends ... I really didn't mean she'd just peed on the stick. HIPAA? Only if one is a medical professional or an insurance professional, no?
Your previous comment brought up the AMA, and most often, non-peestick tests are done to verify. In that case, a medical professional would be involved. Plus, are parents and friends likely to report an individual to an "official?" A medical official, on the other hand, could be compelled by law to report it.
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I think part of the issue is that a pregnant woman who hasn't terminated her pregnancy might be looked at as accepting or wanting to take the pregnancy to term, and, therefore, there are more rights conferred onto the fetus. Almost as if the pregnant woman has 'ceded' some of her rights to choose her behaviors and granted them to the fetus (in the form of the Right to Life) until the fetus has his/her full complement of Rights. If that be the case, then the pregnant woman engaging in behaviors that are a serious risk to the health and wellbeing of the growing fetus might constitute an illegal action.
On the other side of that example is the pregnant woman who decides she doesn't want to take the pregnancy to term and decides to abort. She does not cede any of her Rights, so none get conferred to the fetus.
Well, I'll be honest: I don't agree with all rights of citizenship being conferred on people under the age of majority; drinking, smoking, voting, driving ... You know what I mean. Certainly, I believe some rights are basic and should go without saying. Obviously, I think life is one of those basic rights.
I do believe in those that have no voice being spoken for by those of us who have reached the age of majority. I've made this case, before: we treat animals (in some regards) better than we treat humans. Maybe, if my dog bites me, he understands that he'll face some consequences. Maybe those consequences will include a bullet in the brain? That's how they used to do it in the "old days".
Of course I don't think that's how a dog should be treated, but why do I think that way? Because the voiceless have been given voice by others for decades. In my humble opinion, babies are no less deserving of such consideration.
I would even agree that babies are more deserving of such consideration. But, you've changed verbiage. In most cases, a 'baby' is a fetus that has been brought to term and has been 'born.' Since most people will figure the basic human rights (I think smoking, driving, voting, etc. are more likely to fall into the category of "privileges" than Rights, but I do tend to be picky about shit like that) are conferred at birth, a baby would have the full complement of basic human rights.
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Even if all that ends up being the case, we still will have to make some sort of decision as to when a fetus is conferred its full complement of Rights. Is it "at birth?" At the age of viability? At the beginning of the 3rd trimester?
As I just sort of said: I don't think a fetus should ever possess a full complement of rights, but again, your point is well taken. At what point do we decide that the most defenseless amongst us need a defense? Certainly we can't ask the fetus, but if we could, I wonder how many would choose abortion? My guess would be: an infinitesimally small percentage.
I am on record as saying that I think we should take pain response into consideration. That idea has been met with derision and accusations of my wanting to use women as "breeding stock", but it's more of a humanitarian bent, really.
I could REALLY muddy the waters, here:
A woman tells her friend she's on her way to the abortion mil ... err ... Planned Parenthood to get an abortion and, on her way, a drunk driver hits her and kills her and her baby. Has the driver committed a crime other than DUI?
Peace,
Michael
Vehicular homicide or vehicular manslaughter for the death of the pregnant woman. I would assume the State would also tack on the death of the fetus, too, but that may vary by State, and, if the defense knew the mother's intentions, might be able to get that additional penalty thrown out.
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