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sissygirlbrenda -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/12/2006 6:36:13 PM)
MsPandora and MsDV, i greatly appreciate Your posts and see validity in both. MsPandora, i do not have stats to back up my "findings" so-to-speak. Rather, i have second hand accounts and what i've seen with my eyes that has shown me how that works. i agree that sexuality cannot be changed, but i do think that it can be manipulated. A slave will suck cock if the Domina provides a safe environment and makes it clear that it will make Her VERY happy. A slave or sub will do MANY things that are completely unpleasant as long as it pleases the Domina.

Najakcharmer -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/12/2006 6:41:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: malebitchinatutu It seems like a lot of Dominas really enjoy seeing this done. i was wondering if the Ladies like the act itself or seeing a man degraded/reduced to a pathetic cocksucker? I don't think it's pathetic, I just think it's fucking hot. I'm a big old slash fan, so recreating a scene like that in real life is good fun. I wouldn't get a damn thing out of doing it if the guys in question weren't turned on by the act however. I especially wouldn't be having fun if either of them was really unhappy about doing it but doing it anyway just to please me. That's not hot at all, at least not to me. There has to be a spark of real sexual chemistry there or I don't get much out of watching. Kind of like watching one of those awful porno flicks where it's obvious that none of the actors is really all that turned on. Booorrrring.

michaelGA2 -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/12/2006 7:07:36 PM)
what is the fascination of forcing someone to do such things agaisnt their will?

Jasmyn -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/12/2006 7:14:31 PM)
Getting them to admit, that deep down, it isn't ...

BlackKnight -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/12/2006 7:17:39 PM)
michaelGA2 stated: quote: what is the fascination of forcing someone to do such things agaisnt their will? Power.

DiurnalVampire -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/12/2006 7:21:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: michaelGA2 what is the fascination of forcing someone to do such things agaisnt their will? AS BlackKnight said , its power. For some, it is a major sexual turn on to watch. For others, its the ultimate in humiliation. Either way, its about power and control, the fact that we CAN force it. And it doesnt only have to be forced bi we get that rush from, that just happens to be one of the most prevalent. DV

Elegrea -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/12/2006 7:43:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: michaelGA2 what is the fascination of forcing someone to do such things agaisnt their will? What is the fascination of forcing someone to do anything against their will? George Orwell wrote of imaging the future as 'A boot smashing on a human face--forever' Cognitive dissonance, anyone?

LASub4Real -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/12/2006 7:46:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MstrssPassion this activity per se is nothing new a side note: however the use of the word "forced" is highly debatable in my opinion & is most likely used by those not willing to take responsibility or accountability for their involvement of living out their own desires Truer words were never spoken. WIIWD/BDSM if chock full of safe words, hard limits, and negotiation. The very foundation of of BDSM that separates it from criminality is the word "CONSENTUAL." If a guy allows himself to be "forced" into a homosexual act, then his reluctance to do said act was never that high in the first place. No moralizing here, just the facts. Anyone can say no at any time. Anyone can negotiate or just leave. It's just fascinating to hear guys explaining how they would never actively seek out homosexual encounters yet they do actively seek out mistresses who will "force" them into them! Wake up and smell homohypocracy! Why not just admit your attraction and get on with your life?

michaelGA2 -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/12/2006 7:57:01 PM)
quote: AS BlackKnight said , its power. For some, it is a major sexual turn on to watch. For others, its the ultimate in humiliation. Either way, its about power and control, the fact that we CAN force it. And it doesnt only have to be forced bi we get that rush from, that just happens to be one of the most prevalent. DV personally, for me it would mean deep psychological damage in which there would be no cure...i would be scared for life.

MisPandora -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/12/2006 9:24:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sissygirlbrenda i agree that sexuality cannot be changed, but i do think that it can be manipulated. A slave will suck cock if the Domina provides a safe environment and makes it clear that it will make Her VERY happy. A slave or sub will do MANY things that are completely unpleasant as long as it pleases the Domina. But it doesn't ultimately flip the slave and make him give up the mistress and seek out a Master, does it?

LASub4Real -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/12/2006 10:27:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MisPandora quote: ORIGINAL: sissygirlbrenda i agree that sexuality cannot be changed, but i do think that it can be manipulated. A slave will suck cock if the Domina provides a safe environment and makes it clear that it will make Her VERY happy. A slave or sub will do MANY things that are completely unpleasant as long as it pleases the Domina. But it doesn't ultimately flip the slave and make him give up the mistress and seek out a Master, does it? If the question is whether some male subs who are introduced to homosexual play by a Mistress will "flip" and seek out homosexual play without a Mistess, the answer is yes, that has happened. And then we begin with the chicken and egg arguments.

michaelGA2 -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/12/2006 10:36:54 PM)
quote: But it doesn't ultimately flip the slave and make him give up the mistress and seek out a Master, does it? i wonder if forcing a straight male sub to have intimate contact with another male would ultimately make him give up the lifestyle completely...it would me.

DiurnalVampire -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/12/2006 10:48:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: michaelGA2 quote: But it doesn't ultimately flip the slave and make him give up the mistress and seek out a Master, does it? i wonder if forcing a straight male sub to have intimate contact with another male would ultimately make him give up the lifestyle completely...it would me. You have to know your sub, and be sure he can handle it. Forcing him to do it when it is going to break him completely and ultimately lose him isnt worth the power trip. At least for me it isnt. If I have someone I know will be able to handle it and might even enjoy it, I will do as I please. AS with Angel, if I think it might cost me my pet, I'll find other amusements. AS to whether forced bi can turn a boy to other men, it can. Anything can happen, of course. Openeing their eyes to something else tey might enjoy always carries its own risks of their wanting it without supervision. Whether that desire would be ebough to ditch a mistress and pursue a master or not, I cant say. But it might become a more stadard interest and no longer a "forced" event. If that happens, does the Mistress involved enjoy it as much when it isnt against the subs will? DV

MsKatHouston -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/13/2006 6:28:16 AM)
quote: i wonder if forcing a straight male sub to have intimate contact with another male would ultimately make him give up the lifestyle completely...it would me. Then don't do it. A lot of Dommes enjoy it. A lot do not. Guess which one you should look for? ;) I enjoy it for the power and because I think the act itself it hot. I have had straight men do it who enjoy the power play aspects. Those would never switch. Nor are they scarred for life or feel degraded. They have enjoyed it not because they like the male but because they like the feeling it evoked in them when submitting to it. I have had bi men do it because of the play. Well, they are bi. If it is a limit, I won't cross it. I will be up front about it being one of my favorite things to do though so they will be aware I will readdress it from time to time. But...I have never had a serious relationship where it did not come into play. Nor did I have a serious relationship where such an act was tremendously difficult to accomplish...so I agree with "forced" not exactly being the spot-on most accurate term for it. Ultimately, there is consent and the forced part is play.

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/13/2006 7:06:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LASub4Real It's just fascinating to hear guys explaining how they would never actively seek out homosexual encounters yet they do actively seek out mistresses who will "force" them into them! Wake up and smell homohypocracy! Why not just admit your attraction and get on with your life? Amen! For a long while (way back it seems) I got the request to fulfill that desire so frequently that I began to feel like I was being forced into it, and that just did not sit well with moi. M

LotusSong -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/13/2006 7:31:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig quote: ORIGINAL: LASub4Real It's just fascinating to hear guys explaining how they would never actively seek out homosexual encounters yet they do actively seek out mistresses who will "force" them into them! Wake up and smell homohypocracy! Why not just admit your attraction and get on with your life? Amen! For a long while (way back it seems) I got the request to fulfill that desire so frequently that I began to feel like I was being forced into it, and that just did not sit well with moi. M I hear THAT! It makes me feel like Dom/mes are supposed to pimp for their submissives in this regard. If I were a sub, I would NOT go out "finding another sub for Master" anymore than I would seek out buttboys for my slave. If that is what they want.. they can go find it themselves.. I refuse to be their "excuse". Besides, I don't' share THAT well :) (sigh..I'm just so un-kewel) As an aside, I wonder how many who practice this ever lost a submissive to the same sex play partner they brought in?

flipr -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/16/2006 10:07:58 PM)
i admit when i was younger i had suckeda few cocks, but only oral, yet if during play i would be more the willing to suck a cock in front of my Mistress. If Mistress desired i would also like to learn alot more about dildo training, to have a Mistress use a strapon on me has been a fantasy for a very long time.

BuxomGoddess321 -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/16/2006 10:42:27 PM)
quote: It's just fascinating to hear guys explaining how they would never actively seek out homosexual encounters yet they do actively seek out mistresses who will "force" them into them! Wake up and smell homohypocracy! Why not just admit your attraction and get on with your life? Amen! For a long while (way back it seems) I got the request to fulfill that desire so frequently that I began to feel like I was being forced into it, and that just did not sit well with moi. M I hear THAT! It makes me feel like Dom/mes are supposed to pimp for their submissives in this regard. If I were a sub, I would NOT go out "finding another sub for Master" anymore than I would seek out buttboys for my slave. If that is what they want.. they can go find it themselves.. I refuse to be their "excuse". This is just another symptom of the "Do Me" subs. I have no statistics. Based on over 30 years of playing with bi sexuals and crossdressers (who also constantly request "forced dressing") I can say my experience is this. People sometimes requesting "forced" things of this nature are insecure not sure who they are. Some HAVE turned out to be gay and left me. Some HAVE blamed me when it didn't work out, and someone to blame was EXACTLY what they were seeking. I've decided that at this stage in life, no matter how submissive, I want partners who know what they are, know what they like, are mature enough to act on it and take responsibility for their own life. Not use me for testing ground or as their pimp while they are "finding themselves". I love bi men, I was married to one for 18 years and MFM sex is hot. I love dressers, to. But I will NOT be the scapegoat everytime they have a bad hair day, when their parents find out and hate them, or they suddenly become homophobic. People who cannot take responsibility for their own choices do not fit into my thinking, ethics or what I call an adult. Bi guys are hot as hell and there are plenty who can admit what they are. I don't have time for games.

freakgoddess -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/17/2006 7:24:05 PM)
i have no problem with bi guys whatsoever, but i will not allow a sub to top from the bottom. if a guy hopes to use me for a pimp and release from guilt he is wasting his time.

michaelGA2 -> RE: forced bisexual acts (10/17/2006 8:10:14 PM)
allow me to rephrase the question. if someone is already open to the idea...where does the forcing come in?

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