MasterFireMaam
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross A lot of subs get off on suffering and martydom- some even go so far as to say that it's not "real submission" if you're enjoying it! We do feel we've gained more from something if we've had to suffer for it. I don't think that suffering or the desire to suffer has anything to do with submission at all. If I can throw your own words, LA, suffering doesn't have anything to do with a transfer of authority (I so LOVE that phrase!). It has everything to do with people playing in the shadow of the Martyr and Victim archetypes. Some people are just happier when there is drama and/or they are miserable. And, I don't necessarily think that suffering is linked to endurance either. The endurance of pain for someone or something doesn't mean you suffer...it means you experience pain and work to get through it. For me, suffering is an emotional thing and is often a choice of the person to experience. Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Master Fire Master Fire Master Fire Ma'am, I beg to differ. I love suffering for my Master, and this has nothing to do with drama or even physical pain. I miss him and I suffer for him. I crave him and I suffer in his absense. I am held on the edge of an orgasm for extreme periods of time, and I suffer tearfully from the agony. But all these things, I do quietly. Yes, he knows I am suffering, and he enjoys it. If he has a sadistic streak in him it reveals itself here. I will tell him I am suffering for him, and I become very clingy, but at the same time I do not whine to him about it or cry woefully about it. I agonize internally and he knows it. When I do this, I feel him deeply. It's like a spiritual connection to him in many ways. The submission part comes in because I know it is his will for me to endure such agonizations, and therefore I do it as gracefully as I can. He has caused me to suffer for him with physical pain as well. It is no secret that I do not handle pain well. I am far from masochistic, and do not like pain. But he does not restrain me to whip me, or torture my nipples or clit. I am to remain open to him, stay still for him, and cry out only minimally. This, in my opinion, is absolutely submitting to his will. He enjoys the power he holds over me, knowing I won't try to pull away, knowing how absolutely difficult such an endeavor is for me. And the more proud he is of me, the stronger I feel his energy, and the more awesome the experience. So it depends on how you are looking at suffering. I understand where you are coming from. There is the "hold the back of your hand to your forehead" woe-is-me type of drama that some people create for themselves. But there is also another side to suffering, that I believe was overlooked. Edited to add to the OP, I have grown much stronger as a person, in part because of what I endure for him. As I said, suffering is optional. I'm fairly sure, though, that that is all about symmantics. What you're calling suffering, I call endurance. Master Fire
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