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keep the pills away!!! - 2/13/2007 6:15:54 AM   
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i recently made a post about bipolar disorder and the fact that people around me think i have it.

i was so saddened and disturbed by the fact that the most adament advice i got was "get on meds!"

this is hard for me to come to grips with, having had my first accupuncture session at 6 yrs old. I was raised homeopathic, and nature had a cure for everything as a child.

i wasnt even vaccinated till i was 12 - when i moved in with my dad.. and sadly he did not carry the same beliefs as my mother and caved to the school system. I never fell ill until administered the things to keep me well. not to mention, my attention span immediatley faded...

and yet i am the only one who will not deny the connections. Ever had a Dr laugh at you? Yea i am pretty used to it.

So things were ever different after i had my first sudafed at 18. i use some cough syrups now but thats about it.

i can understand why some people need meds, but it saddens me the amount of people who unnecessarily turn to them in place of nutrition supplements and exercise.


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RE: keep the pills away!!! - 2/13/2007 8:45:53 AM   
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I'm fourth generation mood disorder, my oldest and her cousins are fifth. I can assure you that my great-grandfather did not have any vaccinations or modern medications as they didn't exist in the late 1890's when he emigrated to this country. Yet he suffered from depression all his life. One of his children committed suicide, two of the surviving three suffered from depression. My father's generation contains one suicide, one ADHD and anxiety, one depressive and one healthy one. I'm not in touch with all of my second cousins but of the five of us who were closest as children there are three depressives. The younger generation? One unipolar, one high functioning autism spectrum, one bipolar out of seven. The diagnoses are different in this generation because modern psychiatry is more advanced. I truly believe that the suicide in my father's generation was a form of nonmania bipolar, although as there was no treatment for it then perhaps the exact diagnosis is unimportant.

My point is that it is fashionable to blame higher rates of diagnosis on modern life but for many of us it is an inherited disease. As far as vaccines go, my mother was one of the last to catch polio. My ex had a compromised immune system as did his father. When you went off to school unimmunized, the school system had to redo class rosters to prevent you being in the same classroom with someone who had a family member undergoing chemotherapy or treatment for autoimmune disorders. Because if you caught whooping cough, you could have given it to a classmate who would himself have been immune but could have passed it to the sick family member who might have died from it.

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RE: keep the pills away!!! - 2/13/2007 8:49:37 AM   
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I agree with you.
I don't even take Tylenol.
I went through a very dark depressing time for about 4 years and everyone thought a happy pill was what I needed too.
I kept reminding my Doctor my emotional state was based on my life, not chemical imbalances and I was not taking a pill to glaze over my life situations with happy juice.
I think way too many people are medicating themselves for things that good nutrition or exercise can fix.
I think in general most people seem to think drugs are the answer to all heath and mental issues.
I like you think the less things developed in labs in my body, the more integrity my body will have.
Weeds, herbs, and natural remedies have been things on the planet since it's beginning, drugs in labs have mostly been created since the 1950's.
Who do you put your trust in more is what it boils down to for me. God, or Man. I think since God created us his treatments are better for us myself.
I think most of the health issues in old people spring from drug interactions in their systems & side affects, lack of exercise and poor nutrition.
More people would be healthy if they'd used a holistic approach IMO.
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RE: keep the pills away!!! - 2/13/2007 8:52:08 AM   
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quote:

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I'm fourth generation mood disorder, my oldest and her cousins are fifth. I can assure you that my great-grandfather did not have any vaccinations or modern medications as they didn't exist in the late 1890's when he emigrated to this country. Yet he suffered from depression all his life. One of his children committed suicide, two of the surviving three suffered from depression. My father's generation contains one suicide, one ADHD and anxiety, one depressive and one healthy one. I'm not in touch with all of my second cousins but of the five of us who were closest as children there are three depressives. The younger generation? One unipolar, one high functioning autism spectrum, one bipolar out of seven. The diagnoses are different in this generation because modern psychiatry is more advanced. I truly believe that the suicide in my father's generation was a form of nonmania bipolar, although as there was no treatment for it then perhaps the exact diagnosis is unimportant.

My point is that it is fashionable to blame higher rates of diagnosis on modern life but for many of us it is an inherited disease. As far as vaccines go, my mother was one of the last to catch polio. My ex had a compromised immune system as did his father. When you went off to school unimmunized, the school system had to redo class rosters to prevent you being in the same classroom with someone who had a family member undergoing chemotherapy or treatment for autoimmune disorders. Because if you caught whooping cough, you could have given it to a classmate who would himself have been immune but could have passed it to the sick family member who might have died from it.

I think her point was using natural treatments like acupunture & other things like for example St Johns Wart (The mother of prozac) can help with depression, not the anti depressants caused the depression.

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RE: keep the pills away!!! - 2/13/2007 8:59:25 AM   
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well that is quite the genetic make up your family [suffers] from but like you i can only speak from experience and say what i know, and what i know is that a life of natural medicine is the only thing i am not scared of [Christians included] . i am not ignorant enough though to think that this is the way it must be for everyone and while medicinal advances may have benefited your blood line, a lot of people who do not need to resort to meds do, out of ignorance, laziness, and predigests [sp?] to our mother earth and what she has always had to offer.

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RE: keep the pills away!!! - 2/13/2007 9:05:24 AM   
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My ex had a compromised immune system as did his father. When you went off to school unimmunized, the school system had to redo class rosters to prevent you being in the same classroom with someone who had a family member undergoing chemotherapy or treatment for autoimmune disorders. Because if you caught whooping cough, you could have given it to a classmate who would himself have been immune but could have passed it to the sick family member who might have died from it.


my point exactly. but i never suffered these ailments because i had more than adequate supplements to add to my already daily intake of vitamins and the like. in school we are taught the best form of management is prevention. sticking yourself full of the exact thing you are trying to prevent, does not sound appealing to me at all.

but thats just me and the way my mother raised me.


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RE: keep the pills away!!! - 2/13/2007 9:23:39 AM   
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But that isn't what she said, she did say that she only developed attention span difficulties after being vaccinated.

Personally I find it fascinating as I have never known anyone with a diagnosed mood disorder who did not have a genetic component to it. Mixie, there is no instability in your family? No member who couldn't keep a job, dropped out of school and just stayed home? No one with a history of fighting and school suspensions or expulsions? I'm assuming you have contact with cousins and grandparents and extended family and can say this categorically, because if there was no contact that in itself could indicate a serious enough emotional trauma that one had to cut off the relationship. Lack of information is itself information of a kind.

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RE: keep the pills away!!! - 2/13/2007 9:29:41 AM   
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Yeah they put me on lexapro once.

That was when they were prescribing it like pez.
After they had people kill themselves because of the lack of doctors understanding who should ant shouldn't get this med.

They took it out of circulation then renamed it only to have a more stable control over it.

The lawsuits are pending.

Damn thing causes permanent changes.
and since its a one sided drug
Bi polar people shouldn't take it.

With a big resounding or else....

I just decided to deal with it myself after that.
and I agree with staying off medications unless life saving.
   You never really know what will happen.

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RE: keep the pills away!!! - 2/13/2007 9:36:40 AM   
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We've all got our balance.

Females are actually more likely to die from simple issues because they refuse to admit they need help or get treatment in early stages.

Personally when it comes to actual bipolar, it IS an issue of body chemistry and unless a person IS in serious therapy, including drugs, or WAS for a serious amount of time and is stable now, I don't take them as seriously or allow myself to become close to them.

I understand why people resist taking drugs, and they are valid reasons.  The only way we've really known to treat bipolar chemistry is to keep them at a baseline- unfortunately we must keep them at a baseline across the board which means the happy highs we'd all WANT to experience gets pushed down as well.

But it's how it is when you're all wonky and the highs and lows prevent a person from having a healthy stable life.

I encourage exercise and natural methods for taking care of things, but we shouldn't ignore what does work and get help when it's needed. 

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RE: keep the pills away!!! - 2/13/2007 9:43:50 AM   
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my [blood] family only consists of 5 siblings, one yes, had BPD, i have only 3 cousins and none of them are diagnosed with anything. the fact that i am not in contact with the rest is moot, b/c they dont exist. i wasnt trying to imply anything about your family.. you just have an excellent history of it i was actually quite impressed that you knew all those things

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RE: keep the pills away!!! - 2/13/2007 9:46:25 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mixielicous


i can understand why some people NEED meds, but it saddens me the amount of people who unnecessarily turn to them in place of nutrition supplements and exercise.




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RE: keep the pills away!!! - 2/13/2007 11:19:42 AM   
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...a lot of people who do not need to resort to meds do, out of ignorance, laziness, and predigests [sp?] to our mother earth and what she has always had to offer...


thanks to the pharmaceutical industry and bio-technology we can finally have the "pure" race of our dreams~chemical alterations and body-modifications for everyone who isn't perfect and perfectly happy and chemically balanced---sounds like a dream doesn't it?  Sounds like a nightmare to this slave.
 
herbal remedies can be as effective, if not more so, than many toxic pharmeceutical offerings.
 
the pharmaceutical industry has fucked millions of lives over (some in utero)purporting their cures to be "safe", then going back and taking them off the pharmacists shelf later...it's a gamble, not a sure thing, and how much $$$ is it really worth later when you have lost a loved one, or normal functioning of organs because of pharmeceutical "cures"?
 
anyone who blindly takes a pill or succumbs to surgery without first researching and trying alternative therapies available or using Mother Nature's offerings, is doing themselves a MAJOR disservice, in this slave's opinion.

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RE: keep the pills away!!! - 2/13/2007 12:44:39 PM   
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If I don't take my antidepressants I would never get out of bed.  Being on them is not a cure.  They are not "happy pills."  I hate that phrase with a passion.  My medication allows me to lead a basic life.  That being getting out of bed, eating, talking to people, even using the computer doesn't happen if I'm not on my meds.  So the meds allow me to go out to get my acupuncture, to go to the gym, to eat properly, which all contribute to me being happy instead of a robot.

I've been on these meds for 8 years,  I've tried going off of them twice because I don't like being on them.  But it's been proven twice now that I cannot function at all with out them.  I wish all the natural things could do what these drugs do but nothing has worked.

I do hate when people immediately go, "Get drugs!" too though.  A lot of people can get by with a bit of St Johns Wart, or more exercise, or better diet.  Thankfully New Zealand isn't quite so drug driven as the US is.

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RE: keep the pills away!!! - 2/13/2007 12:52:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
... or using Mother Nature's offerings


Yeah, like Lithium.

To the OP:
I think a blanket admonition to "stay away from pills" is just as dangerous and careless as the advice you are commenting on.
Our culture does seem to believe that there should be some kind of quick way to treat every alteration in health, and I agree that lifestyle changes and natural remedies are a wise first line treatment when it comes to mood disorders.
However, when they fail, pharmaceutical treatment does save lives.


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RE: keep the pills away!!! - 2/13/2007 1:13:58 PM   
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I was raised homeopathic...

 
many are raised homosexual, I don't think that is necessarily any reason for or against drugs.
 
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RE: keep the pills away!!! - 2/13/2007 1:16:13 PM   
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I have to echo that it is a bad idea to encourage anyone who is under a doctor's care for a mood disorder (especially manic-depression) to stop taking their meds.  I have a dear friend who is in his late 50's; was dx with bi-polar II in his 20's.  He takes "vacations" from lithium during the summer, under his doctor's supervision.  He has done this for years. 
 

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RE: keep the pills away!!! - 2/13/2007 1:18:37 PM   
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OP I'm sorry but I am confused. There is another thread in this section where you state that you got off the meds two years ago, and that you've been diagnosed with PTSD/anxiety/depression.
Most of what you said there is in conflict with what was said here.

On the actual post.. yes living a healthier life can prevent a lot of medication. There are loads of alternatives to pharmaceuticals & I think that people do utilise them. It's become a huge industry in the US and is immensely popular. In any bookstore you can find a wealth of information, there are hundreds upon hundreds of books on the subject & many of the books are on best seller lists. The internet provides an endless supply as well, so it is safe to say that they are being used.

But there is the whole other side of chemical balance and the absolute need to correct that thru medication. There is no way around a variety of illnesses, supplemental help yes but not a cure. Any change you ever make should be run by your doctor if you have a health or mental health issue.
Plenty of herbal remedies conflict with medication & vice versa.


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RE: keep the pills away!!! - 2/13/2007 2:28:22 PM   
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quote:

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OP I'm sorry but I am confused. There is another thread in this section where you state that you got off the meds two years ago, and that you've been diagnosed with PTSD/anxiety/depression.
Most of what you said there is in conflict with what was said here.



yes when i was younger [18] until about last year i tried the whole med thing .. i was desperate for help and i didnt have the patience to get in touch with *myself* and used medication to speed up the process. i dont know if it is in the thread you mentioned but now i practice cognitive reconditioning and meditation to deal with my depression/PTSD etc.. is this what confused you??

and again, i am not telling people on depression meds that theyre a sucker for taking them OR needing them - and this thread was not meant to be directed towards people as such, please excuse the confusion for mentioning how this stemmed from the BPD thread.



and moonspirit - most people dont take the amount of saint johns wart needed to see a difference. the bottle will reccomend 900mg/day but its really not enough to make anything happen [another trick if you ask me, to get people to dismiss natural remedies]



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RE: keep the pills away!!! - 2/13/2007 2:30:00 PM   
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My objection here is to the extremes in thoughts and behaviors....and moderation and education is best for all decision-making in life.

To say "ALL" medication is bad and that "NO" medication is the only good way is awfully narrow-minded.

It's personal choice, but I hope people would choose wisely based on education and common sense, not on fear and panic, or heresay and rumors.  And what is right for one person may not be right for another.  In that vein, what is wrong for one person may not be wrong for another.

For the record, none of my comments here are directed at any one person who has posted. 

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RE: keep the pills away!!! - 2/13/2007 2:30:18 PM   
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Katy, please do not think i am encouraging anyone to stop taking their meds, that was not the point of this post

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