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RE: I Admit It I........ - 6/1/2010 12:43:38 PM

LadyHibiscus

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If all of us interpreted your words the same way, Rule, your meaning was very clear. You can track the depression through my family tree, it certainly is genetic in my case. My birth defects are a mystery. Both are "natural" because I was born that way.

I think you should stop digging yourself this pit while you're ahead.

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RE: I Admit It I........ - 6/1/2010 12:47:29 PM

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Like Hibi, my bipolor disorder is hereditary and can be traced back through my family (on both sides). Much like the diabeties and heart problems that run through my family. Although far to many people in my family have either gone undiagnosed or self medicated because it was easier than dealing with the stigma, side affects, and reality of the disorder.

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RE: I Admit It I........ - 6/1/2010 12:51:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: Rule

There is depression and there is depression. Causes differ biochemically, mentally. Some are diseases, or kind of. Others are natural phenomena.

It is you that insist that all of them are diseases. Not me.

I'm talking about clinical, not situational depression.

Yes, I call them all disorders.

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I cannot help you there.

Never asked for your help.

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Please do not put words in my mouth. You wrong me when you do that. I have nowhere said that being depressed is cute. In fact you owe me an apology, a most humble apology.

Best I can say is don't hold your breath. I don't lie, and apologizing when I'm not phukking sorry is a HUGE lie. Not gonna happen.

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ORIGINAL: Daddysredhead
Seems to me, that at age 9 years, someone should have been helping you out more than you have mentioned that they did.

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I did not want my relatives to know that they were living with a corpse, that I had indeed "died", so I kept my condition secret. Of course inevitably people remarked that I was crazy - and right they were.

Sad that you felt that way and that you had to go through something so painful in secret.

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RE: I Admit It I........ - 6/1/2010 12:58:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis
So, is it possible that it is a language issue rather than a philosophical issue, Rule??

I dunno. I rather suspect it is a personality issue and a negative attitude in the perceiver.

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ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis
Because I perceived it as your telling me that if I had a good dom he could make my depression go away. And we all know that is not possible.

I do not know how you could possibly perceive it like that. I literally said, and I quote myself:

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ORIGINAL: Rule
It will not diminish the depression, but I expect that it will make the submissive functional.

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ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis
I have lived with this & I have endured for as long as I remember being alive.

Okay. It takes discipline and endurance. You have a purpose.

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ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis
Without the medications I would have taken my own life years ago. Before the meds, I made several incomplete suicide attempts.

It is tough, I know.

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ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis
Since starting meds in 1987, I have not attempted suicide even once. For me this is a good thing.

Okay.

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RE: I Admit It I........ - 6/1/2010 1:02:33 PM

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I admit I hide Rule.

I admit I refuse to beat my head against a brick wall.

I admit I love how the women of the PRS rally and support one another even if it means sharing intimate, personal stuff.

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RE: I Admit It I........ - 6/1/2010 1:09:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus
You can track the depression through my family tree, it certainly is genetic in my case. My birth defects are a mystery. Both are "natural" because I was born that way.

Yet your line is still here. It has not been eliminated from the gene pool by natural selection nor sexual selection. That implies that there is an evolutionary advantage attached to that depression. It in the case of your line, therefore may not be a disease.

I do not know anything about your other birth defect. Diabetes 1? Is not a birth defect. Is unlikely to be the consequence of a deleterious mutation. Is nearly certainly due to an unlucky collection of class I molecules of the major histocompatibility complex. Natural selection elected to remove that unlucky collection from the gene pool of your population. Shit happens. I am sorry for you.

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RE: I Admit It I........ - 6/1/2010 1:09:23 PM

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I admit it I do think that it is possible that it is still a language thing, since so many of us perceived your words in the same way.

I admit it I am not hiding anybody except for one person here whose posts are so inane that I find them too annoying to deal with.

I admit it I think that Rule started a good discussion & that is also a good thing.

I admit it I have often learned the most from folks I have disagreed with.

I admit it I seem to be channeling Martha Stewart today & that is not a good thing at all.

I admit it Joan told me she wants me to see a psychopharmacologist.

I admit it I am hoping that isn't a crazy druggist.

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RE: I Admit It I........ - 6/1/2010 1:10:56 PM

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lol

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RE: I Admit It I........ - 6/1/2010 1:14:27 PM

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I admit it ... sometimes I divulge too much
I think I made a mistake
I am feeling rather sorry for myself
I cooked mean chilli

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RE: I Admit It I........ - 6/1/2010 1:16:14 PM

LinnaeaBorealis

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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus
You can track the depression through my family tree, it certainly is genetic in my case. My birth defects are a mystery. Both are "natural" because I was born that way.

Yet your line is still here. It has not been eliminated from the gene pool by natural selection nor sexual selection. That implies that there is an evolutionary advantage attached to that depression. It in the case of your line, therefore may not be a disease.

I do not know anything about your other birth defect. Diabetes 1? Is not a birth defect. Is unlikely to be the consequence of a deleterious mutation. Is nearly certainly due to an unlucky collection of class I molecules of the major histocompatibility complex. Natural selection elected to remove that unlucky collection from the gene pool of your population. Shit happens. I am sorry for you.

If natural selection were to eliminate the depressed, there would be nobody living in Scandinavia, I'm fairly certain!!

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RE: I Admit It I........ - 6/1/2010 1:19:09 PM

KyttynTheMynx

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I admit that I really should sleep the rest of the day away.

I admit that I got double fudge cookies and I haz a happy.

I admit that some days, I wish nothing more than for some of you ladies to be my neighbors so we can have a Desperate Housewives-esque (Minus the trifling skankyness they have) neighborhood and meet for coffee a few mornings a week.

I admit that sometimes, I REALLY cant stand the people that I have let into my friend circle and REALLY wish I could "lose" them.

I admit that I really just wanna get beaten, fucked, and snuggled. Pizza, beer, and football would be good after too!

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RE: I Admit It I........ - 6/1/2010 1:22:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: DaddysInkedSlut

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ORIGINAL: Daddysredhead

NO! NO! Red doesn't get lube! I gotta tell DB that as well. Lol

I admit that I haz a big ass.

I admit that it is sometimes pink, and sometimes black and blue and purple.

I admit that DB already duzzint use lube.

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RE: I Admit It I........ - 6/1/2010 1:31:38 PM

Daddysredhead

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ORIGINAL: LinnaeaBorealis

I admit it I do think that it is possible that it is still a language thing, since so many of us perceived your words in the same way.

It's because we all drank the magic Koolaid from the sacred chalis.

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RE: I Admit It I........ - 6/1/2010 1:39:56 PM

LadyHibiscus

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Eep! Koolaid gives me the sick!!

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RE: I Admit It I........ - 6/1/2010 1:45:15 PM

Daddysredhead

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Now, now, Hibbie, don't say that... you know you were born with the sick, just like the rest of us sickos.

I admit that Hibbie should find a "weally good Dominate" to force that sick back into submission.

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RE: I Admit It I........ - 6/1/2010 3:39:10 PM

girlygurl

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ORIGINAL: Rule

Endure.

I expect that you are a submissive?

Get a dom(me) to command you. All will be well.

I am opposed to medication for depression. One of the medications that X is using has a second phase metabolite that causes depression, necessitating another dose of his medication. Talk about an addictive substance.

But taking medication is your own responsibility. I expect that the best medication for a submissive with depression is a dom(me). It will not diminish the depression, but I expect that it will make the submissive functional.

Rule,
I'm sure I'm not saying anything new... but really? You think by someone "getting" a dom(me) to "command" them, their illness will go away, or in your words "all will be well". Really?

When you say "command" I envision someone holding up a magic wand, and "commanding" them to be well.

Your opposition of medication is yours. Taking medication is a personal choice and often times a necessity for some.

I understand that being a public forum people are going to speak whether they are speaking fact or fiction, from personal experience or just plain old ignorance.

It is my opinion that having an illness doesn't make us necessarily an expert regarding everyone else that has the same or similar disease.
And, I just gotta say it..... to think that one person is going to "command" another to not be depressed or become less depressed is just ridiculous.

OK, enough of that.....

I admit I hope Linea feels better soon.

I admit I hope she gets the help she needs.

I admit I have seen Linea depressed before.

I admit I have seen linea get herself help.

I admit I have seen Linea help herself in order to feel better.

I admit I have seen Linea do whatever it took to make things right for herself.

I admit I have never seen nor heard anyone "command" her not to be depressed.

I admit, if anyone had the power to "command" anything, don't ya'll think we'd be "commanding" ourselves to be well and those we love. just sayin.

P.S. hugs for Linea

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RE: I Admit It I........ - 6/1/2010 4:01:05 PM

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i admit it, i need one of those magical fairy Doms that cures depression and bipolar disorder to command my cramps to stop

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~raggy tulip

ps. any magical fairy Dom with special powers that are reading this....if you could also command my G cups to stand at attention like my boobs did at 15, and command my c-section scar away, and while you're at it, command my hair to straighten at will...i spend way too much on chemical relaxers.....

~sub with a list

eta....i love you PRS girlies!!!!!

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RE: I Admit It I........ - 6/1/2010 4:05:11 PM

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Hello everyone,
May I chime in?

I believe that it is true that for *situational* depression a certain amount of "bucking up" can alleviate the symptoms, get someone to the next phase, get them into anger mode which can help them get to normal again.

However, there is a whole other set of biochemical issues that need medication. It's just that simple. Diabetes is an excellent example. That can't be willed away. However, some measure of beahvioral change can help. Same with depression. We know for a fact that moving, exercising, walking, dancing, doing something physical is helpful. We also know that changing the tapes in our heads helps. But they are not the end all and be all. Red brought up an excellent example of having a number of supports - people and medications - is the better way to handle things. Any psychiatrist can prescribe meds. The good ones will use a multi-faceted apprach. (Being as I thought of myself as one of the *good* ones, I'll mention here that I was known to take people off my caseload and tell them - you don't need therapy any more. You need to take this money and join a dance class, get a massage, take a self defense workshop. It's not all about the emotions. Sometimes it is about permission to do what they already want to do).

Rule, depression, like any medical condition, needs more than armchair theory. Depression manifests in a number of different ways and is a *symptom* of a number of other medical conditions. You sound like someone who thinks he knows all about ulcerative colitis just because once he a stomach ache.

Please, anyone who is finding that depression is interfering with their lives, do find a professional you can trust, one you feel comfortable with.

Best to you all,
Sunshine

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RE: I Admit It I........ - 6/1/2010 4:59:20 PM

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I admit it's a slap in the face to read statements like "life's too good to be depressed" from folks who ought to know better.

Hib, whose life IS awesome, but will still always be dependent on meds.

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RE: I Admit It I........ - 6/1/2010 5:38:26 PM

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I admit that I was hiding from Mom but the issues discussed as well. It is a major trigger wiith me.

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